Why Can'T They Give A Straight LOGICAL Answer?

[betsy]

Dr Tam obviously tries to evade saying wearing a mask helps lessen the risk of acquiring and spreading the virus (and she goes on the usual talking point of physical distancing and washing your hands).....and yet, she emphasizes that asymptomatic people can spread the virus!

I feel like I'm being fed bull!

 

Here's the question:  If you don't have the symptoms, how would you know you don't have it?

 

HOW THE HECK DO I  KNOW IF SOMEONE IS ASYMPTOMATIC? 

For all we know.....I COULD BE CARRYING THE VIRUS (ASYMPTOMATIC), AND I WOULDN'T KNOW IT EITHER!

 

If the virus can hung in the air (from someone's breath), and you can possibly get it by inhaling that invisible breath - what good is washing your hands?  You ALSO need a mask!  The mask is there to protect me.  Why should I leave it to faith that everyone will cover their mouth when they cough or sneeze?    The mask is there to protect others (just in case I have the virus)!  

 

If they're worried about people rushing to buy medical masks - why don't they just say so, and keep reminding people to leave the medical masks alone for frontline workers?  Tell people they need to have a face covering, for heavens sake!  Be it a home-made face shield, a scarf, a balaclava......or, even a BURQUA!

Edited April 6, 2020 by betsy

[Rue]

4 hours ago, betsy said:

Dr Tam obviously tries to evade saying wearing a mask helps lessen the risk of acquiring and spreading the virus (and she goes on the usual talking point of physical distancing and washing your hands).....and yet, she emphasizes that asymptomatic people can spread the virus!

I feel like I'm being fed bull!

 

Here's the question:  If you don't have the symptoms, how would you know you don't have it?

 

HOW THE HECK DO I  KNOW IF SOMEONE IS ASYMPTOMATIC? 

For all we know.....I COULD BE CARRYING THE VIRUS (ASYMPTOMATIC), AND I WOULDN'T KNOW IT EITHER!

 

If the virus can hung in the air (from someone's breath), and you can possibly get it by inhaling that invisible breath - what good is washing your hands?  You ALSO need a mask!  The mask is there to protect me.  Why should I leave it to faith that everyone will cover their mouth when they cough or sneeze?    The mask is there to protect others (just in case I have the virus)!  

 

If they're worried about people rushing to buy medical masks - why don't they just say so, and keep reminding people to leave the medical masks alone for frontline workers?  Tell people they need to have a face covering, for heavens sake!  Be it a home-made face shield, a scarf, a balaclava......or, even a BURQUA!

The virus will not hang in the air..it needs water droplets to move..so it has to come to rest on a surface to to thenn be touched and then spread or you have to inhale the droplet.  It does not hang in the air and you walk into it and breath it in..  interestingly people said the same false things about aids, polio, leprosy, many other viruses or diseases and your own Bible tells you how Jesus dealt with the false info albeit in allegories.

Microscopic fungus or bacteria is more likely to be airborne than a virus. Sneezing, coughing, touching is how you get a virus.

Masks are needed for health care workers because it stops blood, mucus, other bodily fluid like pus, spit... it does notbyavexanyveffectbotgef than a placebo effect for people walking. 2 meter distancing is more than adequate. Just wear a scarf if you are that frightened. ..better still empower yourself not to be afraid by going not on political sites but medical sites or the Bill Gates Foundation, March of Dimes, any CPD site, any medical hospital site where they calmly explain what you ask.

Info on the virus changes constantly. In the old days without instant news you would not see as many constant updates lending to a more stable presentation of  news..no it comes in rapid fire with no time to properly digest it and its presented in poorly expressed 10 secondcspund bites..not thoughtful analysis...so you may want to read the news just once a day..not every minute..andbonly use it as a headline not a substitute for doing your own further research..sometimes too much info and of course contradicts previous info..that is the basic nature of human communication...contradictory info that comes in has to be assessed calmly and objectively which is hard to do when one is agitated or anxious...

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by Rue

[Dougie93]

When people are shedding the virus, it's falling down around them like nanoscopic dandruff, it's not lighter than air, it falls under gravity

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Rue said:

The virus will not hang in the air..it needs water droplets to move..

Indeed, it's like a spray bottle, whether you set it to stream or mist, neither floats like smoke, it all falls like tiny rain

[Boges]

The whole mask debate will be a sticky one. 

If you're staying 6 feet away from everyone, you probably shouldn't need a mask. 

[Army Guy]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

The whole mask debate will be a sticky one. 

If you're staying 6 feet away from everyone, you probably shouldn't need a mask. 

Not always possible, Besides it is a safety measure, much like a seatbelt, your safer when wearing it....

[Army Guy]

Justin can talk for forever and not say a single thing...and he uses the same answer regardless of question....

[scribblet]

Another layer of safety cannot hurt, if I had one I would venture out, but don`t have any so stay home and order on line. 

[Queenmandy85]

Betsy, you don't need to worry if you are staying home. When you do need to get groceries. stay two metres away from people, and wash your hands. Many grocery stores have set up hand washing stations at the entrance / exit to the store. Wash your hands properly when you enter and when you leave. Donning and removing a mask is a complicated procedure

Nice to know my OCD is suddenly a survival advantage.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Queenmandy85

[Boges]

23 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Justin can talk for forever and not say a single thing...and he uses the same answer regardless of question....

I agree, his briefings are bordering on useless. 

The best briefings are from local politicians. Dofo and Andrew Cuomo in New York do good, informative briefings. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Not always possible, Besides it is a safety measure, much like a seatbelt, your safer when wearing it....

Except given how much a mask only makes people touch their faces more when adjusting and fussing over it you might as well be talking about a seat-belt in a Ford Crumple - you only feel safer because it looks safer.  This virus seems to thrive on a false sense of security.

I still remember my Mom and Dad belting us in before lighting up their cigarettes and off we'd go, safe as can be.  Speaking of kids, good luck getting them to wear a mask without belting it to their heads.

Edited April 6, 2020 by eyeball

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

The virus will not hang in the air..i

I have seen studies which say otherwise. The question is how much of the virus is needed to infect. The larger fragments/droplets/whatever don't hang in the air, but the microdroplets can for some time, spreading out. That does not necessarily mean they are large/strong enough to cause an infection. The scientists don't know yet.

Observe.

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by Argus

[dialamah]

5 hours ago, betsy said:

Dr Tam obviously tries to evade saying wearing a mask helps lessen the risk of acquiring and spreading the virus (and she goes on the usual talking point of physical distancing and washing your hands).....and yet, she emphasizes that asymptomatic people can spread the virus!

 

If you wanna wear a mask, wear a mask.  Why do you need Tam to 'validate' it?  Extra precautions can't hurt.  Although, please don't take the ones needed by healthcare workers.

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I feel like I'm being fed bull!

Betcha if it was Scheer's health minister saying the same thing, you'd feel entirely differently.

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by dialamah

[dialamah]

50 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Another layer of safety cannot hurt, if I had one I would venture out, but don`t have any so stay home and order on line. 

Are you high risk, or scared or both?  I'm in higher risk demographic (as I'm sure many of us here are) but not as bad as some people, even people I work with.   I did try to order online, but they're so busy in my area that I wasn't going to get my order for at least a week.  But  I still am ok grocery shopping in person - I take safety precautions like hand washing and distance keeping, go during the 7 to 8 am old folks special shopping time.  I carry wipes around with me in case I have to touch things like door handles, cart handles, card machines etc., and I keep my hands in my pockets otherwise.  I work at home as much as possible (glad I can), although I don't really consider my office as a high-risk area as it's practically deserted on a daily basis.  I probably won't get it as long as I continue those habits; if I do, the infection will probably not be severe and if it is - well, I'll probably survive.  If I don't survive, I'll be dead and everything will be irrelevant to me.   I can't worry about what might happen after I'm dead since I've taken what steps I can to make sure those I love are taken care of to the best of my ability.

I spent a week being anxious and scared - but I can't live like that for long, its too exhausting and doesn't help at all.  I've had pneumonia before, and I had the H1N1 when it went around; could have died both times.  The only difference between those events and this event is that the possibility of dying never even occurred to me.  So, I'll take recommended precautions with this to protect myself and others, but intend to continue on as normally as possible otherwise.  

[Army Guy]

29 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Except given how much a mask only makes people touch their faces more when adjusting and fussing over it you might as well be talking about a seat-belt in a Ford Crumple - you only feel safer because it looks safer.  This virus seems to thrive on a false sense of security.

I still remember my Mom and Dad belting us in before lighting up their cigarettes and off we'd go, safe as can be.  Speaking of kids, good luck getting them to wear a mask without belting it to their heads.

Back in the day I can remember sitting in my dads lap while he drove....times have changed. 

If your having issues put oven mitts on as well, or have your wife slap you in the back of the head every time you touch your face.. And as for the kids well thats what duct tape is for, no need for a mask  3 or 4 layers of duct tape  and they won't be taking it off any time soon, and once or twice pulling out all their hair , taking it off I bet they will love to wear the mask....just think on how much you'll save on hair cuts...

[scribblet]

32 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Are you high risk, or scared or both?  I'm in higher risk demographic (as I'm sure many of us here are) but not as bad as some people, even people I work with.   I did try to order online, but they're so busy in my area that I wasn't going to get my order for at least a week.  But  I still am ok grocery shopping in person - I take safety precautions like hand washing and distance keeping, go during the 7 to 8 am old folks special shopping time.  I carry wipes around with me in case I have to touch things like door handles, cart handles, card machines etc., and I keep my hands in my pockets otherwise.  I work at home as much as possible (glad I can), although I don't really consider my office as a high-risk area as it's practically deserted on a daily basis.  I probably won't get it as long as I continue those habits; if I do, the infection will probably not be severe and if it is - well, I'll probably survive.  If I don't survive, I'll be dead and everything will be irrelevant to me.   I can't worry about what might happen after I'm dead since ...

I'm a senior so yes, scared of getting it, hubby is a few years older, I doubt we would survive it and it's a hard way to go.  we are on our own, kids can't get to us as they don't have cars, so yeah, I won't go shopping without a mask, which we can't get.

[bush_cheney2004]

You gotta do what makes you and your family feel safe and minimizes risk to yourself and others.   I am the one doing the shopping about once every ten days, although women seem to survive a COVID19 infection better than men.   Online purchases have been very useful, but not for refrigerated/frozen foods, milk, etc.    I bought some powdered milk but that is only as a last resort...yuk !   

Only one person should do the shopping, and be purposeful about it with a list of items and alternatives.   Wear gloves/mask if you got 'em and minimize time in the store/market.   No chit chat or visiting with other potential zombies....assume they are all infected and keep your distance.   Pay with credit card at self-checkout when possible.   

I wipe everything down with disinfectant while still wearing gloves and wash hands & face thoroughly (twice) after putting items away.   Probably a little OCD from radiation training  (time...distance...shielding).

I felt very bad for the young woman who was screening at the door for customer count and obvious signs of COVID symptoms.  She was suited up like an ICU nurse and scared to death.   Poor thing probably needs the job and I thanked her for being there for us.

Today was good...I scored three boxes of Hostess Ding-Dongs !

 

 

[Rue]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Are you high risk, or scared or both?  I'm in higher risk demographic (as I'm sure many of us here are) but not as bad as some people, even people I work with.   I did try to order online, but they're so busy in my area that I wasn't going to get my order for at least a week.  But  I still am ok grocery shopping in person - I take safety precautions like hand washing and distance keeping, go during the 7 to 8 am old folks special shopping time.  I carry wipes around with me in case I have to touch things like door handles, cart handles, card machines etc., and I keep my hands in my pockets otherwise.  I work at home as much as possible (glad I can), although I don't really consider my office as a high-risk area as it's practically deserted on a daily basis.  I probably won't get it as long as I continue those habits; if I do, the infection will probably not be severe and if it is - well, I'll probably survive.  If I don't survive, I'll be dead and everything will be irrelevant to me.   I can't worry about what might happen after I'm dead since I've taken what steps I can to make sure those I love are taken care of to the best of my ability.

I spent a week being anxious and scared - but I can't live like that for long, its too exhausting and doesn't help at all.  I've had pneumonia before, and I had the H1N1 when it went around; could have died both times.  The only difference between those events and this event is that the possibility of dying never even occurred to me.  So, I'll take recommended precautions with this to protect myself and others, but intend to continue on as normally as possible otherwise.  

Well stated. 

[Rue]

1 hour ago, scribblet said:

I'm a senior so yes, scared of getting it, hubby is a few years older, I doubt we would survive it and it's a hard way to go.  we are on our own, kids can't get to us as they don't have cars, so yeah, I won't go shopping without a mask, which we can't get.

You can use a scarf. Next, read up on it. You sound scared. Education lowers the fear. You do not need a mask you just need to keep your distance.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Rue

[betsy]

4 hours ago, Rue said:

The virus will not hang in the air..it needs water droplets to move..so it has to come to rest on a surface to to thenn be touched and then spread or you have to inhale the droplet.  It does not hang in the air and you walk into it and breath it in..  interestingly people said the same false things about aids, polio, leprosy, many other viruses or diseases and your own Bible tells you how Jesus dealt with the false info albeit in allegories.

Microscopic fungus or bacteria is more likely to be airborne than a virus. Sneezing, coughing, touching is how you get a virus.

Masks are needed for health care workers because it stops blood, mucus, other bodily fluid like pus, spit... it does notbyavexanyveffectbotgef than a placebo effect for people walking. 2 meter distancing is more than adequate. Just wear a scarf if you are that frightened. ..better still empower yourself not to be afraid by going not on political sites but medical sites or the Bill Gates Foundation, March of Dimes, any CPD site, any medical hospital site where they calmly explain what you ask.

Info on the virus changes constantly. In the old days without instant news you would not see as many constant updates lending to a more stable presentation of  news..no it comes in rapid fire with no time to properly digest it and its presented in poorly expressed 10 secondcspund bites..not thoughtful analysis...so you may want to read the news just once a day..not every minute..andbonly use it as a headline not a substitute for doing your own further research..sometimes too much info and of course contradicts previous info..that is the basic nature of human communication...contradictory info that comes in has to be assessed calmly and objectively which is hard to do when one is agitated or anxious...

 

 

Well, I've heard that on one of the live updates - that the virus can stay in the air. 

 

Coronavirus can remain in air for 3 hours, live on plastic for days, new study says

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-live-plastic-stainless-steel-for-up-to-3-days

 

 

Anyway, I'm not going to quibble whether that's true or not!   No one seems to know exactly how this virus works (that's the only thing quite certain so far).

If the shortages of medical equipment is so dire - all necessary methods to help lessen the spread should be taken. 

[betsy]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Are you high risk, or scared or both?  I'm in higher risk demographic (as I'm sure many of us here are) but not as bad as some people, even people I work with.   I did try to order online, but they're so busy in my area that I wasn't going to get my order for at least a week.  But  I still am ok grocery shopping in person - I take safety precautions like hand washing and distance keeping, go during the 7 to 8 am old folks special shopping time.  I carry wipes around with me in case I have to touch things like door handles, cart handles, card machines etc., and I keep my hands in my pockets otherwise.  I work at home as much as possible (glad I can), although I don't really consider my office as a high-risk area as it's practically deserted on a daily basis.  I probably won't get it as long as I continue those habits; if I do, the infection will probably not be severe and if it is - well, I'll probably survive.  If I don't survive, I'll be dead and everything will be irrelevant to me.   I can't worry about what might happen after I'm dead since I've taken what steps I can to make sure those I love are taken care of to the best of my ability.

I spent a week being anxious and scared - but I can't live like that for long, its too exhausting and doesn't help at all.  I've had pneumonia before, and I had the H1N1 when it went around; could have died both times.  The only difference between those events and this event is that the possibility of dying never even occurred to me.  So, I'll take recommended precautions with this to protect myself and others, but intend to continue on as normally as possible otherwise.  

It's not a matter of whether you're high-risked or scared!

 

It's a civic duty to try to help stem the spread, especially so when we don't know how it will be in hospitals without any proper equipments!   You don't want the hospitals to be swamped with gasping patients without any ventilators available.

 

I don't understand the mentality on how you guys would try to dissuade people from doing what's only practical.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, betsy said:

Well, I've heard that on one of the live updates - that the virus can stay in the air. 

Coronavirus can remain in air for 3 hours, live on plastic for days, new study says

Anyway, I'm not going to quibble whether that's true or not!   No one seems to know exactly how this virus works (that's the only thing quite certain so far).

 

 

Yeah....many have already suspected as much, not waiting for the doctors to complete their "science".

That's the only plausible way for such rapid infection, unless it was food or water borne.

It's  a damn shame we didn't recognize airborne transmission a lot sooner.

[Rue]

You need to understand what enables something to be airborne...it does not just float like a  hair. ..you have read the article without understand what requires something to be airborne.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Rue

[Rue]

1 minute ago, betsy said:

It's not a matter of whether you're high-risked or scared!

 

It's a civic duty to try to help stem the spread, especially so when we don't know how it will be in hospitals without any proper equipments!   You don't want the hospitals to be swamped with gasping patients without any ventilators available.

 

I don't understand the mentality on how you guys would try to dissuade people from doing what's only practical.

No one is dissuading you...if you want to be afraid of the air go ahead..being afraid of the air is neither practical or based on fact. You clearly want to believe the air will kill you and masks will save you....neither is a fact...

[betsy]

17 minutes ago, Rue said:

You can use a scarf. Next, read up on it. You sound scared. Education lowers the fear. You do not need a mask you just need to keep your distance.

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No one is dissuading you...if you want to be afraid of the air go ahead..being afraid of the air is neither practical or based on fact. You clearly want to believe the air will kill you and masks will save you....neither is a fact...

 

You don't have the facts either!  WE DON'T FULLY KNOW!

 

Nothing wrong with fear.  especially fear of something we don't fully understand!

FEAR, is  a natural self-preservation instinct! 

 

Wilfull ignorance - or the inability to foresee the possibilities, on the other hand, is not.  It would be an anomaly.

It  can make you - or a loved one - dead!  If we are in the wild, your chances for survival is nil.

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by betsy