The Coronavirus

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

There is no legal way to get one now.   Are private sales controlled by the 'gubmint ?

AFAIK there's no way to get a license if you don't have one already.    It's a weekend course with a certified instructor.   It's not an essential service, so it's shut down.

First you have to take the course, then you have to get the background check, only then do you get the PAL

No PAL, can't buy a gun

Edited March 25, 2020 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

AFAIK there's no way to get a license if you don't have one aleady.    It's a weekend course with a certified instructor.   It's not an essential service, so it's shut down.

 

So what is to stop citizen A from giving or selling a firearm to citizen B ?

[Dougie93]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

So what is to stop citizen A from giving or selling a firearm to citizen B ?

The person you are selling to has to have the PAL, if they don't have the license, it's illegal firearms trafficking, indictable offence

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The person you are selling to has to have the PAL, if they don't have the license, it's illegal firearms trafficking, indictable offence

 

OK...not selling..."giving".    I bought my first 9mm semi-automatic (Taurus PT92) from the back of a car trunk in a parking lot...new in the box.

  Legal "paperwork" got lost after that.

Edited March 25, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Dougie93]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

OK...not selling..."giving".    I bought my first 9mm automatic (Taurus PT92) from the back of a car trunk in a parking lot...new in the box.

  Legal "paperwork" got lost after that.

You can't transfer ownership to someone who doesn't have a license, it's up to you if you want to hand someone your gun, but it's still your gun in their hands making you liable

 

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

You can't transfer ownership to someone who doesn't have a license, it's up to you if you want to hand someone your gun, but it's still your gun in their hands making you liable

 

 

So if I want to give my son or daughter a Benelli 828 pump action shotgun for Christmas in Canada, Santa Claus has to get them a license first ?

There is no license required to give someone coronavirus !

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

So if I want to give my son or daughter a Benelli 828 pump action shotgun for Christmas in Canada, Santa Claus has to get them a license first ?

 

Yes, whoever takes possession of the firearm must be a license holder, if not you are illegally trafficking firearms, doesn't matter who it is

Now, I as the owner can allow somebody to shoot my gun, but I am totally liable for anything going wrong, so it's basically like supervising  recruits

I'm actually qualified to teach the course, but I can't issue the license

[Dougie93]

 

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EXCLUSIVE: Leaked documents show Canadian Armed Forces' emergency coronavirus plans

For days, many have speculated whether or not the Trudeau Government will invoke the Emergency Measures Act in response to COVID-19—a measure which will enable the federal government to pass laws and financial measures with little to no oversight or approval from parliament.

While some have touted the Emergency Measures Act’s benefits in a time of crisis, others have expressed skepticism and concern at the curtailment of civil liberties that would surely come with it.

While what may come in the event of a military mobilization has been left to mere speculation, we now have the ability to determine what, exactly, that might entail.

A leaked internal document from the Department of National Defense (DND) was provided exclusively to The Post Millennial, outlining the plan for the military's pandemic response.

The Chief of Defense Staff Planning Directive for COVID-19 Mitigation has come from a verified source who is being protected. The source says they are leaking the document because they fear the implications military action might have for Canadian citizens, while expressing that some Canadian Forces Members are reluctant to mobilize in this pandemic against their fellow Canadians.

While Operation LASER, as it is also known, has been a long-standing title of the Canadian military’s pandemic response, the publicly-available details have always been vague.

The leaked document, signed by General Jonathan Vance, states that the Government of Canada is readying to transition into “phase 3,” or “pandemic mitigation” and that the working assumptions for the crisis include that the COVID-19 pandemic “could last 12 months or longer, and may return in multiple waves.” The assumptions also include that “supply chain shortages and transportation disruptions will impact the availability of various medical and non-medical supplies.”

ccording to the planning guidance, the Canadian Armed Forces expects, at minimum, “to deploy, employ, and sustain up to five battalion-sized elements simultaneously, each capable of force projection.”

The Post Millennial’s source explains that “five battalions” equals roughly 3,000 soldiers. The source also states that Montreal and Calgary have allegedly been identified as areas in need of “pandemic mitigation.”

While the document outlines many operations for the Canadian Armed Forces centered around “humanitarian” efforts during a pandemic, others are more concerning.

One directive states that a contingency plan must be created for “public service support (and potentially assistance to law enforcement agencies) to reinforce quarantine operations centered on Canadian cities, to potentially include in extremis augmentation of security services.”

Another states that the Canadian Armed Forces health services should support provincial health authorities in the “mass vaccination” of civilians “should a vaccine become available.”

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/exclusive-here-are-the-canadian-armys-orders-if-the-emergency-measures-act-is-enforced

 

 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

Wow, there's a rat in the CAF/DND.  Good job Canada, secret documents leaked. 

[Moonlight Graham]

In Canada, the proper weapon of self defense is a hammer or a goalie stick.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

In Canada, the proper weapon of self defense is a hammer or a goalie stick.

Once you fly Old Glory over your homestead, you have to be reliable to back that shit up, Well Regulated Militia, Foreign Internal Defense.

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Wow, there's a rat in the CAF/DND.  Good job Canada, secret documents leaked. 

Not great, Bob.   This is how DND is though, it's a leaky siv, it's usually just selective leaking to the benefit of the government in power mind you

Edited March 25, 2020 by Dougie93

[Moonlight Graham]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Once you fly Old Glory over your homestead, you have to be reliable to back that shit up, Well Regulated Militia, Foreign Internal Defense.

Great, thanks Rambo for bringing the US gun-culture BS to my country with your own paranoid fake militia of one.

My daddy and my grampy owned guns.  To hunt.  Never had any need to use them for self-defense, unless a bear came near them in the woods, but even then never had to fire a shot.  In fact legally its not much use for self-defense since a gun needs to be stored locked up and unloaded.

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Great, thanks Rambo

John Rambo Jesus provides. :salutes:

[Guest ProudConservative]

It's the mass vaccinations that have me worried. I heard from few sources that the elites were planing on using a "Nasal Spray" vaccine, in conjunction with the great culling. Who's to say these vaccines won't sterilize certain parts of the world, or kill off certain segments of the population?

I honestly don't trust the government. If they knew this virus was a real threat, why didn't they screen people at airports? This sounds like a deliberate "Order of Chaos" Agenda. It seems to me like this globalist takeover of every country on earth. A deadly bioweapon just goes along with the elites agenda.

I don't know this, but I've been warned about this kind of stuff for years. The governments response doesn't seem natural. It seems like they flipped a switch going from extreme denial, to extreme mobilization in one week. We all know that governments are slow and ineffective, so who's pulling the strings?

I'm also begging to wonder, if this is a false flag from China? I'd like to know if most of their citizens have had vaccines in the last 10 years? It could be that they were vaccinated against their own bioweapon. Some citizens weren't vaccinated, so it looks like an outbreak. If they created the crisis in China, it gives them deniability. They first attack against the west, would be to shut down the supply chains triggering a collapse of the western economics.

Why is China doing so well, and the rest of us are screwed?

This is all possibilities, I don't know what's going on.

Edited March 25, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Dougie93]

24 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

It's the mass vaccinations that have me worried. I heard from few sources that the elites were planing on using a "Nasal Spray" vaccine, in conjunction with the great culling. Who's to say these vaccines won't sterilize certain parts of the world, or kill off certain segments of the population?

I honestly don't trust the government. If they knew this virus was a real threat, why didn't they screen people at airports? This sounds like a deliberate "Order of Chaos" Agenda. It seems to me like this globalist takeover of every country on earth. A deadly bioweapon just goes along with the elites agenda.

I don't know this, but I've been warned about this kind of stuff for years. The governments response doesn't seem natural. It seems like they flipped a switch going from extreme denial, to extreme mobilization in one week. We all know that governments are slow and ineffective, so who's pulling the strings?

I'm also begging to wonder, if this is a false flag from China? I'd like to know if most of their citizens have had vaccines in the last 10 years? It could be that they were vaccinated against their own bioweapon. Some citizens weren't vaccinated, so it looks like an outbreak. If they created the crisis in China, it gives them deniability. They first attack against the west, would be to shut down the supply chains triggering a collapse of the western economics.

Why is China doing so well, and the rest of us are screwed?

This is all possibilities, I don't know what's going on.

Doesn't matter

1. The virus is as deadly as a BSL3 pathogen biological weapon by default, so whether it was a Chinese weapon or just from nature, makes no difference

2. We are mobilized for war, we have all been effectively drafted, mass conscription, so we are all like soldiers and they can issue orders to us, on pain of imprisonment

3.  So don't worry about it, because there is no point in worrying about that which is beyond your control

Get down into your zombie apocalypse doomsday bunker and kick back with a cocktail for now,  gym, tan, laundry, wash, rinse, repeat

 

Edited March 25, 2020 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

31 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

It's the mass vaccinations that have me worried. I heard from few sources that the elites were planing on using a "Nasal Spray" vaccine, in conjunction with the great culling. Who's to say these vaccines won't sterilize certain parts of the world, or kill off certain segments of the population?

I honestly don't trust the government. If they knew this virus was a real threat, why didn't they screen people at airports? This sounds like a deliberate "Order of Chaos" Agenda. It seems to me like this globalist takeover of every country on earth. A deadly bioweapon just goes along with the elites agenda.

I don't know this, but I've been warned about this kind of stuff for years. The governments response doesn't seem natural. It seems like they flipped a switch going from extreme denial, to extreme mobilization in one week. We all know that governments are slow and ineffective, so who's pulling the strings?

I'm also begging to wonder, if this is a false flag from China? I'd like to know if most of their citizens have had vaccines in the last 10 years? It could be that they were vaccinated against their own bioweapon. Some citizens weren't vaccinated, so it looks like an outbreak. If they created the crisis in China, it gives them deniability. They first attack against the west, would be to shut down the supply chains triggering a collapse of the western economics.

Why is China doing so well, and the rest of us are screwed?

This is all possibilities, I don't know what's going on.

The problem with all such conspiracy theories is that they require agreement and cooperation of a lot of diabolical people at great personal risk.  Who would put together such a convoluted scheme against one's own people and find enough like-minded individuals to support it?  It's not worth the trouble.  I'm not saying that such schemes have never existed.  Hitler's Final Solution was a genocidal scheme.  Since my teens I've been hearing about how the Rothschilds and Rockefellers have been plotting to enslave the world and commit mass murder through inoculations and various programs.  We hear about Skull and Bones from Yale, the Buildenburgers or the Council on Foreign Relations, and how these various organizations are rooted in ancient bloodlines that have been running the show for millenia, from the times of the Crusades and the Rosicrucians up through the Masons and the Illuminati who founded the US, etc.  It's fun to speculate and read books like Foucault's Pendulum or the Da Vinci Code, to learn about Golden Square and Phi, ancient wisdom going back to the Greeks and far more ancient civilizations.  Don't take any of it too seriously.

China had a mess on its hands.  The main reason China was able to contain it is because they made people stay indoors for two months.  We're not used to that level of government control.  It goes against our liberal democratic sensibilities, so we look to more humane success stories like South Korea.  What we don't always appreciate is that it's usually because of smart, science-based preparation that such a country is successful.  I prefer the Canadian approach so far to China's approach as far as how it impacts our daily lives, and I hope we're successful with our current approach.  However, if this virus spreads like wildfire and really overtaxes our health system and our economy, we'll have no choice but to take more extreme measures, which is where military War Measures type plans come into the discussion.  No one wants to give up civil liberties or hand over so much authority to government, unless our lives and economic survival are at stake.  In that case, most people would accept a suspension of certain freedoms for a finite period.  That's the key word though, finite.  There has to be a plan, with contingency plans A, B, C, and so on, so that we're ready for all eventualities.  What we always have to fear is that the purpose for such measures is not realized and instead becomes the excuse for prolonged misery.  

Edited March 25, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Guest ProudConservative]

People like Frank Vaughan keep saying. It doesn't matter if it's a weapon or from nature, it will kill you all the same. I completely disagree. 

If it's from nature, chances are the governments genuinely want to protect their citizens.

If it's a bio-weapon, then it proves malicious intent.

When did we become a generation, that no longer conducts investigations?

When we abandon investigations, It sets a bad precedent.

[Guest ProudConservative]

21 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The problem with all such conspiracy theories is that they require agreement and cooperation of a lot of diabolical people at great personal risk.  Who would put together such a convoluted scheme against one's own people and find enough like-minded individuals to support it?

Who's to say a large group of people are needed to pull off a bioattack?

With some conspiracies you need thousands of people to agree on the battle plan. If you want to build a nuclear weapon, billions of dollars, and hundreds of scientist at your disposal.There could be fewer than 10 people behind this conspiracy.

It could be one rouge individual, working in a top secrete bioweapons research facility.

Bioweapons can be deployed anywhere, and no one can figure out the source.

Edited March 25, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

People like Frank Vaughan keep saying. It doesn't matter if it's a weapon or from nature, it will kill you all the same. I completely disagree. 

If it's from nature, chances are the governments genuinely want to protect their citizens.

If it's a bio-weapon, then it proves malicious intent.

When did we become a generation, that no longer conducts investigations?

When we abandon investigations, It sets a bad precedent.

Because the Chinese have their (French built) version of Fort Detrick in Wuhan, it's entirely plausible that it came from their lab

It's just not an engineered virus, it's zoonotic

That doesn't mean they didn't have it their lab doing research on it

The same research can be used to make vaccines, or they could use it as a weapon

[Guest ProudConservative]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Because the Chinese have their (French built) version of Fort Detrick in Wuhan, it's entirely plausible that it came from their lab

It's just not an engineered virus, it's zoonotic

That doesn't mean they didn't have it their lab doing research on it

The same research can be used to make vaccines, or they could use it as a weapon

Well if you want to make a bio-weapon, you would consider making it appear zoonotic. If you make it look too artificial, you get caught. This might be a zoonotic virus that's been tweaked a certain way.

This isn't my own ideas, but people I've been listening to on youtube.

They want know why the government intentionally downplayed the virus, and then in one week... went into extreme fear mongering and overreaction. It makes no sense why they didn't take more precautions earlier on, especially since they had all the data out of China.f 

It seems like there is a deliberate takeover of our democratic institutions.

Edited March 25, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

Well if you want to make a bio-weapon, you would consider making it appear zoonotic.

Science fiction, this is the point where I put you on ignore

[Iceni warrior]

Thing is, no globalist conspiracy wants to wipe out all of its money making worker drones. That's just crazy talk. The globalists have the most to lose right now.

If I were a conspiracy theory nut job I'd be looking to Greta type young environmentalists wanting their revenge on the boomers for killing their future.

Gaia approves.

[Iceni warrior]

I mean, come on. Extinction Rebellion, they're not even hiding their intentions.

They want to make the boomers extinct.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

Thing is, no globalist conspiracy wants to wipe out all of its money making worker drones. That's just crazy talk. The globalists have the most to lose right now.

If I were a conspiracy theory nut job I'd be looking to Greta type young environmentalists wanting their revenge on the boomers for killing their future.

Gaia approves.

BSL3 pathogen kills globalists too, what ruling elite would release a bioloigcal weapon which could wipe them out too ?

Even the Islamic State wouldn't do that