The Coronavirus

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Tell that to the 6000+ and counting dead in Italy.

Another example of the government overreacting making the problem worse, you prove my point for me.

Edited March 24, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Argus said:

If it had prepared like South Korea or Taiwan, it wouldn't have had to overreact and shut down its economy.

They don't have to overreact even if they didn't. Overreacting doesn't help.

[Iceni warrior]

10 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Another example of the government overreacting making the problem worse, you prove my point for me.

Italians aren't dying from economic collapse you muppet.

Italians are dying through being too slow to start social distancing causing an overwhelmed healthcare service.

[Dougie93]

13 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

They don't have to overreact even if they didn't. Overreacting doesn't help.

The same applies to prepping, there's no threat of hyperinflation, ZOMG Hyperinflation is not prepping, that's flailing

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

Italians aren't dying from economic collapse you muppet.

Italians are dying through being too slow to start social distancing causing an overwhelmed healthcare service.

They are dying from both. Killing the economy doesn't fix the dying from Coronavirus problem, as Italy's results prove despite their crackdowns, but it does add a shitty economy as another negative on top.

Edited March 24, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

4 hours ago, Rue said:

Would you stop. No one cares if you have a small penis.

It's odd that the first thing that jumps to your mind is my cock.  I am quite happy with it and so is my wife, so that's all matters for my cock.

Edited March 24, 2020 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

44 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

They are dying from both. Killing the economy doesn't fix the dying from Coronavirus problem, as Italy's results prove despite their crackdowns, but it does add a shitty economy as another negative on top.

It's not a thermonuclear war, it's not that there is megadeath in Italy, the issue is that hospitals are simply not made for mass casualties all at once everywhere.

[Iceni warrior]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It's not a thermonuclear war, it's not that there is megadeath in Italy, the issue is that hospitals are simply not made for mass casualties all at once everywhere.

Yes but without social distancing and stay at home protocols we could lose 1-2% of the population. That is megadeath. 3-6 million in the US alone.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

Yes but without social distancing and stay at home protocols we could lose 1-2% of the population. That is megadeath. 3-6 million in the US alone.

You were the one who said it is not the Spanish Flu, I for one am not expecting one million deaths, that's twice as many as in the Spanish Flu

[Dougie93]

The fact of the matter is, this is not 1919, we are exponentially more capable now, and they didn't actually mobilize for the Spanish Flu, they just carried on and rode it out

So even if it was the Spanish Flu, I would not expect nearly as many death per capita in 2020 as in 1919

[Yzermandius19]

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It's not a thermonuclear war, it's not that there is megadeath in Italy, the issue is that hospitals are simply not made for mass casualties all at once everywhere.

In that case, the economic shutdowns simply lengthens the amount of time that is the case for, they aren't reducing the number of cases, they are simply stretching it out to not overwhelm the system and failing to do so. Not great, Bob.

Edited March 24, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

 Not great, Bob.

C'est le guerre.  

This is what it is like to be in the military, you're not in charge, you may not agree with the chain of command, but you do as your told, or you end up in jail, hard labor

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

C'est le guerre.  

This is what it is like to be in the military, you're not in charge, you may not agree with the chain of command, but you do as your told, or you end up in jail, hard labor

Not only that, but they can't stay shutdown forever and when they are forced to open things back up, they will get the spike in cases they futiley tried to stop, on top of the economic damage, worst of both worlds. Italy is royally f*cking this up, it's as if they are trying to do as shitty of a job as they possibly can.

Edited March 24, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Iceni warrior]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The fact of the matter is, this is not 1919, we are exponentially more capable now, and they didn't actually mobilize for the Spanish Flu, they just carried on and rode it out

So even if it was the Spanish Flu, I would not expect nearly as many death per capita in 2020 as in 1919

I agree, the point is that it's no good moaning about the cost to the economy when there's a war on. First win the war and then worry about the cost after.

I'm not talking about you obviously but there are some here who want to put the economy before lives.

[Dougie93]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Not only that, but they can't stay shutdown forever and when they are forced to open things back up, they will get the spike they futiley tried to stop.

Indeed, the pattern of pandemics is that they abate as we shelter in place, then come back with a vengeance when we go back to normal

As I have said tho, this is war, and every single person in Canada has been conscripted for all intents and  purposes, and Justin Trudeau is who was chosen to be in charge

[Dougie93]

Just now, Iceni warrior said:

I agree, the point is that it's no good moaning about the cost to the economy when there's a war on. First win the war and then worry about the cost after.

I'm not talking about you obviously but there are some here who want to put the economy before lives.

The economy is going to contract, but it's not going to disappear into a black hole, a depression is not the end of the world, it's just worse than a recession

 

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Indeed, the pattern of pandemics is that they abate as we shelter in place, then come back with a vengeance when we go back to normal

Hence "Flattening The Curve", at least the way the idea is envisioned by the rubes, is nothing but wishful thinking woo woo, that will actually make the problem worse, despite the rubes thinking it actually makes them safer. Short term thinking backfiring in the long term, who knew?

Edited March 24, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Hence "Flatten The Curve", at least the way the idea is envisioned by the rubes, is nothing but wishful thinking woo woo, that will actually make the problem worse, despite the rubes thinking it actually makes them safer. Short term thinking backfiring in the long term, who knew?

The shutdown is not to protect the masses, it's just to protect the hospitals in the near term until they have had more time to prepare

[Iceni warrior]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The economy is going to contract, but it's not going to disappear into a black hole, a depression is not the end of the world, it's just worse than a recession

 

In fact, the worshippers at Gaia's altar might even think it is a good thing...

[Yzermandius19]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The shutdown is not to protect the masses, it's just to protect the hospitals in the near term until they have had more time to prepare

Right but if the time it buys them isn't enough time to prepare properly for the next wave, then you get the worst of both worlds scenario. As of now it's looking like the time they will be able to buy will be nowhere near enough to raise the medical capacity enough to make the economic damage worth the squeeze, and the strategy will backfire bigly.

I hope I'm wrong and it will make a big difference, but right now that also looks like wishful thinking woo woo, it seems like they are just stalling because they can't think of a better response while they are in a panic. A placeholder plan, hoping they can come up with a better plan down the road, so just kick the can down the road, likely consequences be damned.

Edited March 24, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Iceni warrior said:

In fact, the worshippers at Gaia's altar might even think it is a good thing...

There is no point in getting wrapped around the axle about things in a war.  You've been conscripted, soldiers have to learn to relax in the saddle and just live in the now

Remember who you are, remember where you come from, the story of your people, steel your hearts for war,  British Grenadiers.

 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

If it had prepared like South Korea or Taiwan, it wouldn't have had to overreact and shut down its economy.

If we were in the same boat as S Korea and Taiwan are, situated so close to the biggest virus-breeding nation on earth, and with so many people living in large cities with extensive transit systems, then preparedness would be more of an absolute necessity. 

We have the Pacific ocean as a buffer zone, but in this instance where we didn't bother to take advantage of that, we are worse off than they are. 

[scribblet]

When the time comes to look back at what Canada did wrong in its response to this pandemic,  maybe sending 16 tons of PPE to China in February will rank right up there.   

[Argus]

54 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If we were in the same boat as S Korea and Taiwan are, situated so close to the biggest virus-breeding nation on earth, and with so many people living in large cities with extensive transit systems, then preparedness would be more of an absolute necessity. 

We have the Pacific ocean as a buffer zone, but in this instance where we didn't bother to take advantage of that, we are worse off than they are. 

In an era of globalization, with millions of Chinese flying back and forth between Canada and China and the US and everywhere else in the world, old assumptions about 'buffer's need to be cast aside. We need to be prepared for stuff like this and not let our guard down. Ontario stockpiled 55 million N95 masks after the SARS epidemic, just in case. Then forgot about them and didn't replace them as they expired. Neither level of government did its job.

[Argus]

57 minutes ago, scribblet said:

When the time comes to look back at what Canada did wrong in its response to this pandemic,  maybe sending 16 tons of PPE to China in February will rank right up there.   

That just demonstrated how utterly short-sighted the federal government was, never imagining we would need it over here soon. They're like drivers with their eyes fixed on the rear of the car in front of them instead of looking up the road for trouble. No preparation, no anticipation, no planning, nothing.

South Korea had a lot less warning than us. But they handled this because they had planned for it, and had stocks on hand. That's what good government does.

Anyone seen any of that around here in the last little while?

Edited March 24, 2020 by Argus