Panic, Ignorance, Shut Up Already

[jacee]

Korea's Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un has ordered the victim to be shot after finding the first patient of the coronavirus in his country.

Hunh.  Article disappeared. 

In better news ... 

China exonerates doctor reprimanded for warning of virus

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/china-exonerates-doctor-reprimanded-for-warning-of-virus-1.4860909

[cougar]

the actual chance of getting infected is LOW if you simply wash your hands regularly, cover your mouth when you sneeze or cough  and do not touch surfaces others touch;

I can agree with anything else , but this line, which may also be true, however we do not know yet.

Not touching surfaces others touch is easily said than done.  Think about the grocery basket handles at the store, the washroom door knobs, any time you pass an item to someone or others pass to you and finally the possibility of viruses suspended in the air.

We know nothing and this is why we have all these severe measures in place and the markets reacting to it.

[OftenWrong]

5 hours ago, Argus said:

Are you suggesting the articles are listing people who merely visit hospital as being hospitalized?

If you read what I said (I hate to repeat myself in the forum) they are in hospital, but not listed as serious/ critical. We don't have data for why they are hospitalized, but most likely they are more ill than with just mild symptoms, but not ill enough to be listed as 'serious, critical". For example Tom Hanks and his friend were admitted to hospital because they had the coronavirus. A few days later he was out of the hospital, said he was feeling a little unwell but not too bad. In his case with such a short stay, it was likely done out of an abundance of caution. (same phrase I used in my post earlier).

[Iceni warrior]

5 hours ago, betsy said:

 

To be Omniscient is to be all-knowing.   Are you taking from the Bible?

I was definitely taking something...

Edited March 20, 2020 by Iceni warrior

[Guest ProudConservative]

8 hours ago, Argus said:

So it didn't matter if more came in? That makes no sense. If he admits that closing the borders is the right thing to do now then he can hardly say it wouldn't have done better a month and a half ago. We also should have started stocking up on medical gear needed to treat this back in January. Instead he waits two months to try and order more? Yeah, genius there.

It's not only that. They lied to us, because they didn't have enough masks for themselves, so they didn't want the public to go out and get masks. What they should of done, if taught everyone how to make a homemade mask. If the government released instructional videos on how to make homemade mask, and asked everyone to stock up on some supplies.... We would of been prepared. They should of had 1 item limits on every type of food. So no one could go out and buy 50 lbs of rice. Instead they each have 1 small bag, and then buy 20 different types of food... instead of clearing out certain isles causing panic.

I don't support this lets have a voluntary lockdown for 2 or 3 months.

What we should of done is imposed a 7 day mandatory lock down. That would of isolated almost all the new cases.... Then have all Canadians work for 14 days straight.... to keep the economy going, and do another 7 day lock down... Repeat this process several times until the epidemic is gone.

If other countries fail to contain their outbreaks, then you must permanently close your border to passengers.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, jacee said:

In better news ... 

China exonerates doctor reprimanded for warning of virus

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/china-exonerates-doctor-reprimanded-for-warning-of-virus-1.4860909

I would have been impressed if the headline had read Chinese Communist Party admits it was wrong to reprimand Dr. Li Wenliang.  Maybe one day there'll be a story that reports how it was wrong fro the CPP to reprimand local police who no doubt were following orders ultimately issued from Beijing.

Edited March 21, 2020 by eyeball

[Guest ProudConservative]

9 hours ago, Argus said:

Some commentators are talking about great depression era unemployment rates. The charts on the stock market fall actually show it falling faster and harder than it did in the opening months of the great depression in Oct of 1929.

Some globalists want that, especially when you get advanced knowledge of a recession. When the stock market is at record highs, you're even more motivated to crash the economy. You sell everything you have and enter short positions in the market. The more you can crash the economy, the more the money you can make. When the stock market crashes, some of the wealthy, become even more wealthy.

Then when their is widespread unemployment, and businesses go bankrupt.... You can buy up all their assets cheap.

I went online somewhere and said that the Dow will hit 7000. My real number was 4500, but I didn't want everyone calling me crazy.

It just seems like they're using this virus to cause a great depression. I'm not too worried about a great depression, and finding work. I know how to feel myself, and I know that controlling the food supply is where to make money.

People are going to look for bulk food kits, when they don't have much for groceries.

Edited March 21, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Guest ProudConservative]

People criticize me for a lot of things. From the beginning, I said... That we need to prepare for this pandemic, and the next one... that might come within 5 years. The best way to keep people safe, is the invent 21st century biosuits.... So people can go to work... and not have to worry about catching an airborne virus.

We don't need $5000 state of the art biosuits in a lab. Just something that if comfortable, covers the entire body, and filters out virus particles from the air.

Edited March 21, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Zeitgeist]

4 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

People criticize me for a lot of things. From the beginning, I said... That we need to prepare for this pandemic, and the next one... that might come within 5 years. The best way to keep people safe, is the invent 21st century biosuits.... So people can go to work... and not have to worry about catching an airborne virus.

We don't need $5000 state of the art biosuits in a lab. Just something that if comfortable, covers the entire body, and filters out virus particles from the air.

N95 masks, goggles, and rubber gloves are sufficient.  That’s about $15 per person.  I think we do a drastic 6-8 week quarantine then get back to work with smaller groupings, strict hygiene, and at least for a while, this ridiculous gear.  I think we should aim to get back in swing by late May.  That’s a big enough blow to the economy.   Several months of this is probably too great a cost and won’t make much difference to health outcomes, as long as our treatments have good success rates.  

Edited March 21, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

N95 masks, goggles, and rubber gloves are sufficient.  That’s about $15 per person.  

They don't provide complete protection, but if everyone was wearing it, maybe the infectivity would be reduced by 75% or higher. That would be enough to stop experiential growth and kill this virus.

I prefer having biosuits, because if everyone's sick around me, I just want piece of mind.

[Dougie93]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 I think we should aim to get back in swing by late May.  That’s a big enough blow to the economy.   Several months of this is probably too great a cost and won’t make much difference to health outcomes, as long as our treatments have good success rates.  

Even if they lift the state of emergency, if the virus is still around people will stay home, so nothing is going to come roaring back anytime soon methinks

[Dougie93]

Like people who think a vaccine is coming soon are way too optimistic it seems, the Canadian Army is preparing for a year long operation right now.

[Guest ProudConservative]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Like people who think a vaccine is coming soon are way too optimistic it seems, the Canadian Army is preparing for a year long operation right now.

It's the attitude I get from the Millennials... This is just a giant hoax... the news is fear mongering, and don't worry... our government is trying some vaccine trials soon, so this will all be over soon.

When you return to tell them, I told you so... they just say shut up. We know what we're doing.

One bit of satisfaction i'm getting out of this, is watching spoiled Millennials have their days ruined. It's good for a change, maybe will get less snowflakes.

Edited March 21, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Even if they lift the state of emergency, if the virus is still around people will stay home, so nothing is going to come roaring back anytime soon methinks

But that would be due to failed public health policy, not the virus.  We know that after a month of real self-isolation, anyone symptomatic would have had their illness and recovered except for people with weakened immunity who required hospitalization.  They would remain in quarantine until recovery.  The question is, can we enforce a real quarantine?   Failure to do that draws out the elimination of the virus and destroys the economy.  Go big on quarantine early.  

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

It's the attitude I get from the Millennials... This is just a giant hoax... the news is fear mongering, and don't worry... our government is trying some vaccine trials soon, so this will all be over soon.

When you return to tell them, I told you so... they just say shut up. We know what we're doing.

The young of course feel invincible, I think most of them will not be seriously harmed

But there does seem to be a strain of this out there which can put even a young person on a ventilator

It's Russian Roulette

In terms of the spread of the disease, the crackdown from the governments are increasing apace.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

But that would be due to failed public health policy, not the virus.  We know that after a month of real self-isolation, anyone symptomatic would have had their illness and recovered except for people with weakened immunity who required hospitalization.  They would remain in quarantine until recovery.  The question is, can we enforce a real quarantine?   Failure to do that draws out the elimination of the virus and destroys the economy.  Go big on quarantine early.  

They have been at maximum levels of crackdown in Europe and still the virus is spreading relentlessly and wreaking havoc as it goes, the Chinese say they've gotten it under control, but that was with an all out totalitarian crackdown.

[Guest ProudConservative]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

But that would be due to failed public health policy, not the virus.  We know that after a month of real self-isolation, anyone symptomatic would have had their illness and recovered except for people with weakened immunity who required hospitalization.  They would remain in quarantine until recovery.  The question is, can we enforce a real quarantine?   Failure to do that draws out the elimination of the virus and destroys the economy.  Go big on quarantine early.  

You can start by executing the governor of Florida. for criminal negligence.

 

Edited March 21, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Dougie93]

Flattening the Curve is simply to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed, there's no actual evidence that it is going to work

But even if it does, that doesn't make the virus go away, just because you flatten the curve doesn't mean things return to normal and come roaring back

[Guest ProudConservative]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Flattening the Curve is simply to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed, there's no actual evidence that it is going to work

But even if it does, that doesn't make the virus go away, just because you flatten the curve doesn't mean things return to normal and come roaring back

I can see North America and Europe falling apart, while China becomes the most powerful country on the planet.

[Dougie93]

Just now, ProudConservative said:

I can see North America and Europe falling apart, while China becomes the most powerful country on the planet.

Yeah, but you're a lunatic.

[Guest ProudConservative]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

Yeah, but you're a lunatic.

For hating corrupt politicians, who will be responsible for thousands of deaths?

[Dougie93]

Just now, ProudConservative said:

For hating corrupt politicians, who will be responsible for thousands of deaths?

For barking at the moon hysterically ad nauseam 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Flattening the Curve is simply to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed, there's no actual evidence that it is going to work

But even if it does, that doesn't make the virus go away, just because you flatten the curve doesn't mean things return to normal and come roaring back

I have no doubt that the social distancing will slow the spread of the virus, it might even slow down the mutation of it which is a big concern, but that's just a guess.

Flattening the curve is a big deal because there are a lot of people under 50 who are getting acute symptoms ad needing ventilators. If they don't have enough ventilators the death toll could get stupid. 

My main hope right now is that the anti-malaria drugs take the edge off of this pandemic.

If it Covid's no longer a threat to life, and the drugs are available in mass amounts, the economy will be able to start back up right away.

IMO the longer these shutdowns last, the longer the economic recovery period will be.  

[Guest ProudConservative]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

For barking at the moon hysterically ad nauseam 

Well I support very strong punishments for those who fail to take reasonable precautions to avoid death.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, ProudConservative said:

Well I support very strong punishments for those who fail to take reasonable precautions to avoid death.

If this really was a doomsday war, you would be the one who was executed, for sedition and cowardice in the face of the enemy.