Panic, Ignorance, Shut Up Already

[Argus]

10 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Most Canadians are like that on steroids. You hate freedom, and they hate freedom, they aren't going to oppose the nanny state if they demand they shelter in place and neither are you. You'll whine, virtue signal and blame Trudeau, but you aren't going to actually buck the rider, and neither will Canadians.

You already completely screwed the first coronavirus topic with your RAH RAH MURICA! derailment. Now you're trying to do it again? Go the hell back to the US groups with your crap.

[Argus]

9 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

I'm becoming more scared of the economic damage.

Some commentators are talking about great depression era unemployment rates. The charts on the stock market fall actually show it falling faster and harder than it did in the opening months of the great depression in Oct of 1929.

[Argus]

8 hours ago, cougar said:

200 some sick people in BC and it feels like we are at war with Viet-Nam or some other nation.  Empty shelves, people with masks driving in their cars in a city with 0 cases; no hairdressers, no restaurants, no flights, no nothing!

Seems like our system was pretty fragile.

Tom Clancy wrote a book a long while back about Iran releasing a plague in the US. One of the the things which stuck with me since then was the query "Do you know how many viruses we know how to cure? None." Nothing much has changed since then, and our massive biopharma industries spent billions looking for better acne relief and almost nothing researching cures for viruses and bacterial infections.

[Dougie93]

5 hours ago, Iceni warrior said:

I'm surrounded by 100 acres of meadows and wheatfields, the only lights around here are my solar powered security light getting triggered by passing deer and the stars.

That's too far into the boonies for my wife, she's got to have her conveniences

[Argus]

5 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

The west has the best environmental standards on the planet. Don't let your communist professor tell you otherwise.

And the best food hygiene, both of which might combine to make us more vulnerable to new diseases than people in the third world whose worlds are filled with contamination.

[scribblet]

58 minutes ago, Shady said:

Spanish flu?  That’s racist!

Wikki is editing that out now  :)-

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Iceni warrior said:

I'm guessing that you don't know where the Spanish flu is thought to have originated?

No one is sure. Historians have suggested various locations, including China.

[Iceni warrior]

14 minutes ago, Argus said:

No one is sure. Historians have suggested various locations, including China.

That's true but the first recorded case was fort Riley in Kansas in March 1918 and many researchers believe that was the origin.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Iceni warrior

[Iceni warrior]

27 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

That's too far into the boonies for my wife, she's got to have her conveniences

6 miles to the nearest town and 25 to the nearest city.

The only sounds I hear at night are owls, the wind and the occasional crack of a rifle as Farmer Paul shoots another rat.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Iceni warrior

[Rue]

23 hours ago, kactus said:

For new vaccines, scientists need to assess the potential side effects of the drug and weigh the risks on the sample of people tried, which is what makes it time consuming....

For sure checking for adverse reactions which leads toclass action law suits when any medication causes adverse effects.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

6 miles to the nearest town and 25 to the nearest city.

The only sounds I hear at night are owls, the wind and the occasional crack of a rifle as Farmer Paul shoots another rat.

Convenience store within 100 yards of my front door, Costco 10 mins down the road

[Iceni warrior]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

Convenience store within 100 yards of my front door, Costco 10 mins down the road

Noisy old traffic...

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

Noisy old traffic...

Not really, because the front of my house is in a 1980's subdivision, so it's quiet, then the back of my house is bordering on a nature reserve basically, it's a park, but it's wild, there's coyotes and whatnot out there

Now that me and Alexei both have Trump walls around our properties, it's dark in my backyard now, because Alexei's property is even bigger than mine, his buffer zone of darkness really cut the light down on my property to nil

 

[Iceni warrior]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Not really, because the front of my house is in a 1980's subdivision, so it's quiet, then the back of my house is bordering on a nature reserve basically, it's a park, but it's wild, there's coyotes and whatnot out there

Now that me and Alexei both have Trump walls around our properties, it's dark in my backyard now, because Alexei's property is even bigger than mine, his buffer zone of darkness really cut the light down on my property to nil

 

The dawn chorus can be loud enough to wake me up in the spring but I'm not going to complain about that.

The worst noise pollution around here is the five days of ''drum camp'' in July but that was called off today due to Covfefe19.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Iceni warrior

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

The dawn chorus can be loud enough to wake me up in the spring but I'm not going to complain about that.

The worst noise pollution around here is the five days of ';'drum camp'' in July but that was called off today due to Covfefe19.

Yeah, birds are the noisiest thing round here too

[Iceni warrior]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Yeah, birds are the noisiest thing round here too

Canadian Geese is not a pretty sound though. When I had my little yacht on the Norfolk Broads the bloody things would make a hell of a row. They used to sh#t all over my deck too if I wasn't onboard.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Iceni warrior

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Iceni warrior said:

Canadian Geese is not a pretty sound though. When I had my little yacht on the Norfolk Broads the bloody things would make a hell of a row. They used to sh#t all over my deck too if I wasn't onboard.

No I like the geese, they fly over in formation so low I can hear their wings beating

Natural noise I am not bothered by, song birds, song dogs, that's all good.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Iceni warrior said:

You know the best thing about you right-wing extremists?

Leave you alone for 5 minutes and you start fighting amongst yourselves.

1)There are no right wing extremists here.

2)Leftist run in lock-step with the mob and regurgitate idiotic talking points, even after they're disproven. They're hard leftists because they don't allow themselves to experience cognitive dissonance, or allow new facts to change their POV.

3)People on the right don't run in lock-step. They look at relevant facts and form their own opinions. Disagreement is inevitable and isn't frowned upon.

[Dougie93]

The main traffic noise is air traffic, we are on the corridor, but I'm an aviation enthusiast, so I like to watch the planes go by and we also get some more exotic stuff flying by, the CAF CH-147's fly by sometimes, nostalgia for Chinook, and I've even had a WWII B-17 make a low pass.

[Iceni warrior]

Bugger, Boris has just told us to shut the pubs, cafes, restaurants etc tonight and not open tomorrow or for the forseeable future.

As of tomorrow I'm a parastitic benefits scrounger...

No more work jail for me for a while.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Iceni warrior said:

Bugger, Boris has just told us to shut the pubs, cafes, restaurants etc tonight and not open tomorrow or for the forseeable future.

As of tomorrow I'm a parastitic benefits scrounger...

No more work jail for me for a while.

Work is bullshit, jobs are  jails, live by capital gains alone.

[Iceni warrior]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The main traffic noise is air traffic, we are on the corridor, but I'm an aviation enthusiast, so I like to watch the planes go by and we also get some more exotic stuff flying by, the CAF CH-147's fly by sometimes, nostalgia for Chinook, and I've even had a WWII B-17 make a low pass.

We get the occasional C130 flying low over the farm and we used to get a P51 Mustang flying from a nearby farm but the pilot crashed on landing a couple of years ago and both him and the plane are still being rebuilt.

[Iceni warrior]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Work is bullshit, jobs are  jails, live by capital gains alone.

Lend me some capital then please so I can join you amongst the ranks of the idle rich.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Iceni warrior said:

We get the occasional C130 flying low over the farm and we used to get a P51 Mustang flying from a nearby farm but the pilot crashed on landing a couple of years ago and both him and the plane are still being rebuilt.

You should go to the Mach Loop in Wales sometime, best plane watching location on earth.

[Rue]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Well, for one thing, only 1% of people with flue need medical treatment. So far 13% of those who have been diagnosed with the cv19 virus are in hospital.

For another thing this is just getting started. You realize that, right? Flu deaths are kept low by so many people, especially elderly and with health issues getting vaccinated each year. There's no vaccination for this, and Cv19 is more contagious than the regular flu, as well. There are also anti-viral treatments which help people with severe cases of the regular flu. These don't work on cv19. Thus without the extreme measures we're seeing around the world the death toll for cv19 would easily surpass that of the flu.

1. No it has not just started because most cases remain unreported so the start date is guesstimated having started in Wuhan but unreported cases may have come and gone before it hit people who reported it.

2. The peaking for  it in Canada is unknown both due to unreported cases and now steps to slow down its transmission but your assumption its rise in cases will lead to higher mortality rates due to more people getting it is inaccurate. In fact to date when tmore people who get it report it the death rate actually decreases to 1 percent as they self recover with mild reactions.

3.You are also misleading in presenting info about treatments in that in fact certain  anti virals in conjunction with steroids and antio antibiotics are working..l so your assumption no vaccine exists makes it sound there is no treatment. In fact treatment is working as is evidence in recovery rates of those in hospital.

4.The 13 percent hospitalization rate is also inaccurate because some admitted did not have to be and are now released as protocol for hospital admittance  changes. It is true 50 percent of those requiring intensive respiratory care with preexisting conditions are dying which is no different than with anyone getting lung infections who have compromised immunities regardless of the virus. That rate is caused by age and preexisting conditions.

5. Flu rates are regulated by what is called herd immunity, the inherent ability in home sapiens when exposed to viruses to immunities that stops the transmission. Some viruses jump from animals to humans where we do not have the inherent herding immunity response like this one  and it requires more time until our bodies adjust and also we give time for the virus to mutate. In most cases like  Sars the virus mutates. It becomes harder to treat but also very hard to transmit for the same reasons and this is why Sars petered out and eventually this virus which is a version of Sars will as well.

This virus right now is itself not the issue. It will not kill most people. The concern is trying to protect the vulnerable no different than any other virus.

The only reason it has caused such panic is a mix of being unable to track it properly given its lack of symptoms and therefore higher transmission rates combined with internet false info.

 

Edited March 20, 2020 by Rue