Will it be the virus that takes Trump down?

[Boges]

I suppose this is the appropriate thread for this. 

https://reason.com/2020/04/09/polls-show-americans-are-souring-on-trumps-response-to-covid-19/

 

[godzilla]

4 hours ago, Shady said:

Obama left the strategic stockpile empty.

yeah, except we weren't talking about the strategic stockpile. Obama is not president. typical Trump tune to point at the "last guy".

and yes, Trumps administration "adjusted" the bio-defense team. Whether the adjusted one was a better idea may never come to light.

Partly false claim: Trump fired entire pandemic response team in 2018

 

[godzilla]

Why Does the President Keep Pushing a Malaria Drug?

"On Saturday, Trump suggested research exists that shows people with lupus don’t get the coronavirus, implying that their use of hydroxychloroquine protects them. “There’s a rumor out there that because it takes care of lupus very effectively, as I understand it, and it’s a, you know, a drug that’s used for lupus,” he said, “so there’s a study out there that says people that have lupus haven’t been catching this virus. Maybe it’s true; maybe it’s not.”

There is no such study."

Trump is also entertaining a recent twitter feed that indicated that lip balm may significantly reduce viral load.

an idiot is in charge of the US government.

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Edited April 9, 2020 by godzilla

[BubberMiley]

3 hours ago, Shady said:

Nope.  You’re lying.  Flat out lying.  Trump didn’t disassemble anything, that’s been fact-checked and debunked.  However

After the swine flu epidemic in 2009, a safety-equipment industry association and a federally sponsored task force both recommended that depleted supplies of N95 respirator masks, which filter out airborne particles, be replenished by the stockpile, which is maintained by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

That didn’t happen, according to Charles Johnson, president of the International Safety Equipment Assn.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-03-20/disaster-foretold-shortages-ventilators-medical-supplies-warned-about

 

 

I assume you didn't cite the "debunking" because it doesn't exist and you know that.

[godzilla]

Trump team ramps up scrutiny of funds to WHO

the WHO didn't point fingers at China! they didn't point fingers at Italy! they didn't even point fingers at the US!

someone needs to teach the WHO to point fingers! and we'll tell them which way to point!

[godzilla]

Melania... still the hottest first lady!

[Shady]

1 hour ago, godzilla said:

Why Does the President Keep Pushing a Malaria Drug?

"On Saturday, Trump suggested research exists that shows people with lupus don’t get the coronavirus, implying that their use of hydroxychloroquine protects them. “There’s a rumor out there that because it takes care of lupus very effectively, as I understand it, and it’s a, you know, a drug that’s used for lupus,” he said, “so there’s a study out there that says people that have lupus haven’t been catching this virus. Maybe it’s true; maybe it’s not.”

There is no such study."

Trump is also entertaining a recent twitter feed that indicated that lip balm may significantly reduce viral load.

an idiot is in charge of the US government.

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Well, we got an idiot in charge of the Canadian government, so it balances out.

[Shady]

52 minutes ago, godzilla said:

Trump team ramps up scrutiny of funds to WHO

the WHO didn't point fingers at China! they didn't point fingers at Italy! they didn't even point fingers at the US!

someone needs to teach the WHO to point fingers! and we'll tell them which way to point!

They’ve been a propaganda arm of the Chinese government.  Even asserting in January that there was no human to human transmission of the virus.

[godzilla]

31 minutes ago, Shady said:

They’ve been a propaganda arm of the Chinese government.  Even asserting in January that there was no human to human transmission of the virus.

the WHO is an international body without any formal power over ANYTHING. there are no international mandates that require any country to participate or share information with them at all! from their very mouths, they rely on other countries to participate on the honor code, because they have no power. from the WHO's perspective, they are just reporting what those countries like China have to say about their situations with full knowledge that it may not exactly be correct. but at the same time they believe that having incorrect information is better than no information at all and that placating certain powers is the only way to keep dialogue going. this is rather common stuff for non-profit international organizations who are at the mercy of those they report on for funding.

but Trump and the Trump machine don't understand what the WHO is, what it does or how it works. just finger pointing.

[Shady]

9 minutes ago, godzilla said:

the WHO is an international body without any formal power over ANYTHING. there are no international mandates that require any country to participate or share information with them at all! from their very mouths, they rely on other countries to participate on the honor code, because they have no power. from the WHO's perspective, they are just reporting what those countries like China have to say about their situations with full knowledge that it may not exactly be correct. but at the same time they believe that having incorrect information is better than no information at all and that placating certain powers is the only way to keep dialogue going. this is rather common stuff for non-profit international organizations who are at the mercy of those they report on for funding.

but Trump and the Trump machine don't understand what the WHO is, what it does or how it works. just finger pointing.

 

[godzilla]

3 hours ago, Shady said:

 

and so? this is what China reported... and the WHO reported that thats what China reported? should they have said "China reported this but we don't believe them even though we have no reason not to and no facility to prove otherwise because we're not a political outfit with a budget for spys"?

and sure, anything that any face saving dictatorship says should be taken with a grain of salt... but are you able to cite specific information that as of Jan 14 the Chinese were lying about having "no clear evidence" regarding human-to-human transmission? it says pretty starkly... "no clear evidence". that doesn't mean that its not possible... just that evidence is insufficient at that time.

but i can see why the Trump administration might be upset! the WHO repeats what China says but not what Trump says?! the thing is... "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission" on Jan 14 is very possible. while just about everything Trump says doesn't pass even first grader logic.

Edited April 10, 2020 by godzilla

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, godzilla said:

Why Does the President Keep Pushing a Malaria Drug?

"On Saturday, Trump suggested research exists that shows people with lupus don’t get the coronavirus, implying that their use of hydroxychloroquine protects them. “There’s a rumor out there that because it takes care of lupus very effectively, as I understand it, and it’s a, you know, a drug that’s used for lupus,” he said, “so there’s a study out there that says people that have lupus haven’t been catching this virus. Maybe it’s true; maybe it’s not.”

There is no such study."

Trump is also entertaining a recent twitter feed that indicated that lip balm may significantly reduce viral load.

an idiot is in charge of the US government.

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Why does Democratic State Representative, Karen Whitsett, credit President Trump for saving her life and for pushing hydroxychloroquine to treat the coronavirus." 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/08/fact-check-did-michigan-dem-credit-trump-her-covid-19-recovery/2967210001/

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Trump is also entertaining a recent twitter feed that indicated that lip balm may significantly reduce viral load

If Trudeau did that on March 18th, it would have been his first contribution to the fight against covid.

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an idiot is in charge of 

godzilla's keyboard.

[godzilla]

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Why does Democratic State Representative, Karen Whitsett, credit President Trump for saving her life and for pushing hydroxychloroquine to treat the coronavirus." 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/08/fact-check-did-michigan-dem-credit-trump-her-covid-19-recovery/2967210001/

 

"While the representative acknowledges that there is no way to verify whether her recovery from COVID-19 was entirely due to the drug without further research"

Was she also using lip balm and drinking SuperBeet?

Anichdotal!

[BubberMiley]

Actually, in the first stages there wasn't evidence of human-to-human transmission. That's just a fact. Anyone who thinks that's a Gotcha moment to deflect blame towards WHO doesn't really understand how viruses are studied and evidence is gathered. 20/20 hindsight makes fools look like geniuses.

[Shady]

1 hour ago, BubberMiley said:

Actually, in the first stages there wasn't evidence of human-to-human transmission. That's just a fact. Anyone who thinks that's a Gotcha moment to deflect blame towards WHO doesn't really understand how viruses are studied and evidence is gathered. 20/20 hindsight makes fools look like geniuses.

They weren’t in the first stages of the virus in January.  In November yes, but not January.  Regardless, the WHO shouldn’t be disseminating information that they can’t validate.  Especially from a country like China.  A few days after this announcement from the WHO, China locked down 11 million people in Wuhan province.  The WHO was grossly irresponsible.  Their actions had a influence on how other countries around the world responded to the virus.  Especially Europe.

[bush_cheney2004]

8 hours ago, godzilla said:

Trump team ramps up scrutiny of funds to WHO

the WHO didn't point fingers at China! they didn't point fingers at Italy! they didn't even point fingers at the US!

someone needs to teach the WHO to point fingers! and we'll tell them which way to point!

 

Yes they did (e.g. criticized travel bans), and they will also point fingers if/when Trump cuts off funding, as the U.S. (+ Gates Foundation) are the largest donors to the WHO compared to any other nation in the world.

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Zeitgeist]

17 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Yes they did (e.g. criticized travel bans), and they will also point fingers if/when Trump cuts off funding, as the U.S. (+ Gates Foundation) are the largest donors to the WHO compared to any other nation in the world.

 

Maybe so, but wouldn’t you say Trump has been ideologically opposed to the WHO, which may explain why the US didn’t accept test kits from the WHO and lost precious time to prevent spread?   I genuinely want to know the answer to that question.  

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Maybe so, but wouldn’t you say Trump has been ideologically opposed to the WHO, which may explain why the US didn’t accept test kits from the WHO and lost precious time to prevent spread?   I genuinely want to know the answer to that question.  

 

The Trump administration (U.S.) was still the largest donor to the World Health Organization before COVID-19, despite any ideological differences.

The alleged refusal of WHO test kits has been politicized.   It is not unusual for the U.S. to prefer domestic test kits, regardless of Trump.

 

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What's True

The U.S. did not use COVID-19 diagnostic tests produced by the World Health Organization (WHO) in favor of producing its own.

What's False

The U.S. did not turn down an offer to use those tests (as no such offer was extended), nor was it unusual for the United States to design and produce its own diagnostic tests in lieu of those made elsewhere.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/us-coronavirus-test/

 

[BubberMiley]

I know Trump was irresponsible and incompetent and got me repeating dangerous misinformation...but whatabout WHO?

[BubberMiley]

9 hours ago, Shady said:

  The WHO was grossly irresponsible.  Their actions had a influence on how other countries around the world responded to the virus.  Especially Europe.

"The WHO can only react to the data it's given, and when you go back and look at the timeline, it wasn't until, I think, almost the middle of January that China reported that there was human-to-human transmission." - Dr. Deborah Birx 

Edited April 10, 2020 by BubberMiley

[Shady]

5 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

"The WHO can only react to the data it's given, and when you go back and look at the timeline, it wasn't until, I think, almost the middle of January that China reported that there was human-to-human transmission." - Dr. Deborah Birx 

Agreed.  Which leads us to the primary problem that led to all of this crisis.  China.  Regardless, the WHO shouldn’t be making assertions that they cannot validate.  And they shouldn’t be denouncing travel restrictions either.  

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

Actually, in the first stages there wasn't evidence of human-to-human transmission. That's just a fact. Anyone who thinks that's a Gotcha moment to deflect blame towards WHO doesn't really understand how viruses are studied and evidence is gathered. 20/20 hindsight makes fools look like geniuses.

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/

Actually there was direct evidence of human-human transmission in early December, but the WHO didn't necessarily know about it.

The GOTCHA moment for the WHO was after Trump banned travel from China and was excoriated by the WHO (and the American MSM). Looking at what was known back ten, Trump did the right thing and the WHO had to have known that it was the right thing to do. If they didn't know it, but Trump did, then Trump is a genius. 

Here's CNBC attacking Trump for his European travel ban. MSM couldn't use the racist angle to attack him this time, so they went with an angle of "Trump is hurting the airline industry and their stocks are tumbling". https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-trumps-europe-travel-ban-is-another-blow-to-airlines.html This was from March 12th, and travel bans to fight covid were still unpopular among Democrats, Liberals in Canada and the MSM in both countries. Trudeau himself spoke about how bad travel bans were as late as March 16th. 

The WHO, the MSM in Canada and America, and the Canadian government were all put to shame by the POTUS. Period. 

Bet anything that you switch the topic.

[WestCanMan]

17 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

"The WHO can only react to the data it's given, and when you go back and look at the timeline, it wasn't until, I think, almost the middle of January that China reported that there was human-to-human transmission." - Dr. Deborah Birx 

So, by your own quote, the WHO knew in mid-Jan that there was H2H transmission and yet they were attacking Trump for banning flights from China as late as Feb1?

If this is true then you could make a strong case that the WHO was complicit in intentionally spreading the virus.

Honest to god, if the roles were reversed, and Trump was leaving flights from China open after the WHO said that they should stopped, you know that you would have an undeniable gotcha moment against Trump. 

I can't even believe that you're talking about this topic. It's such a buzz-kill for Trump-haters.

[BubberMiley]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

Bet anything that you switch the topic.

Weak, arbitrary travel bans are completely useless. It's like making a dyke out of chain link fence. If you're serious,  you suspend all international travel and put everyone coming in in quarantine for 2 weeks. 

Only a few countries responded appropriately and the U.S. and Canada aren't among them.

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Yes they did (e.g. criticized travel bans), and they will also point fingers if/when Trump cuts off funding, as the U.S. (+ Gates Foundation) are the largest donors to the WHO compared to any other nation in the world.

 

It's getting hard to find links to quotes which attacked Trump's travel ban on China. I'm glad that I posted the video of our village idiot speaking against travel bans back on March 16th. I have no doubt that will get harder to find as time goes on.