Shady Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yeah but like us they can't do much without science. Or you can just get it, recover and then be immune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Shady said: Or you can just get it, recover and then be immune. No. This is a novel virus with multiple strains, you can catch it over and over and you can catch different strains of it Don't get cocky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 It's not even about you, you can kill the people you love unintentional People who are immuno comprised are vulnerable, even kids Any underlying condition, known or unknown, this bug will find it and exploit it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: No. This is a novel virus with multiple strains, you can catch it over and over and you can catch different strains of it Don't get cocky. No, that's not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Shady said: No, that's not true. Yes it is. Our immunity to the Common Cold has been built up for literally millions of years We can't stop the Common Cold. it's diabolical, but we all have inherent immunity built up against, over generations This is the Super Cold, and it was just born a few months ago, it has mutated as it goes, you haven't built up immunity to all of it, even if you've caught some of it Moreover, if you catch it, you are a spreading it to others who haven't caught it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) It's just like the Common Cold, there is no cure, you can catch it over and over And just like the Common Cold, some strains are worse than others You're not being a tough guy by being cocky about it You're the problem, you're spreading it to the vulnerable, the old, the weak and the immuno comprised The crisis is not over until we have a vaccine, but that won't be a one shot, we'll probably have to get that shot, every year from now on This genie will never be put back in the bottle, it will come back every year with new strains, just like the flu Actually worse than the flu, because we are better at fighting the flu than we are fighting the Common Cold The Common Cold is way more dangerous than people think, we've just been living with it since we were tiny mammals amongst the dinosaurs Edited March 30, 2020 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 20 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Yes it is. Our immunity to the Common Cold has been built up for literally millions of years We can't stop the Common Cold. it's diabolical, but we all have inherent immunity built up against, over generations This is the Super Cold, and it was just born a few months ago, it has mutated as it goes, you haven't built up immunity to all of it, even if you've caught some of it Moreover, if you catch it, you are a spreading it to others who haven't caught it yet. No it's not true. Sorry. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/health/coronavirus-immunity-antibodies.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Shady said: Or you can just get it, recover and then be immune. True but the science says we need to let that process unfold slowly or we face compounding an economic disaster with a medical catastrophe. But...perhaps you know better in which case and as I said weeks ago, you should be putting your findings up for review because if they bear true...the entire planet will be throwing its panties at you...mountain ranges will be renamed in your honour. You're name will outshine intellectual giants like Hawking, Einstein and perhaps even Trump himself. Edited March 30, 2020 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Shady said: No it's not true. Sorry. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/health/coronavirus-immunity-antibodies.html Exactly as it says in that article, you only have immunity against the strain you caught, "for a period of time" The Cold comes back every year, mutated strains, you catch it over and over, some strains are worse than others, this strain is seven times deadlier than the flu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: True but the science says we need to let that process unfold slowly or we face compounding an economic disaster with a medical catastrophe. But...perhaps you know better in which case and as I said weeks ago, you should be putting your findings up for review because if they bear true...the entire planet will be throwing its panties at you...mountain ranges will be renamed in your honour. You're name will outshine intellectual giants like Hawking, Einstein and perhaps even Trump himself. People have already gotten it and become immune. They haven't had to wait for a vaccine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: Exactly as it says in that article, you only have immunity against the strain you caught, "for a period of time" The Cold comes back every year, mutated strains, you catch it over and over, some strains are worse than others, this strain is seven times deadlier than the flu Yes, but so far this strain hasn't been mutating. It may in the future, next winter etc. But vaccines will be available by then. Edited March 30, 2020 by Shady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Exactly as it says in that article, you only have immunity against the strain you caught, "for a period of time" The Cold comes back every year, mutated strains, you catch it over and over, some strains are worse than others, this strain is seven times deadlier than the flu "Most people who became infected during the SARS epidemic — that virus is a close cousin of the new coronavirus, called SARS-CoV-2 — had long-term immunity lasting eight to 10 years, said Vineet D. Menachery, a virologist at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Shady said: Yes, but so far this strain hasn't been mutating. It may in the future, next winter etc. But vaccines will be available by then. It has mutated many times, it's mutating in real time, most mutations are harmless, but it is working the problem all the time The protein spikes on a Coronavirus are like lock picks, they pick the locks to your cells When it encounters antibodies, it doesn't capitulate, it works the problem The lock picks try something new, until they hit something that works again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, Shady said: "Most people who became infected during the SARS epidemic — that virus is a close cousin of the new coronavirus, called SARS-CoV-2 — had long-term immunity lasting eight to 10 years, said Vineet D. Menachery, a virologist at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston." You have immunity to SARS-CoV-2 The virus is working the problem, it will keep working it until it mutates itself into SARS-CoV-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, Dougie93 said: You have immunity to SARS-CoV-2 The virus is working the problem, it will keep working it until it mutates itself into SARS-CoV-3 I'm not worried about 8 to 10 years from now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, Shady said: I'm not worried about 8 to 10 years from now. I'm not worried about myself, I am going to war against the bug in order to protect the vulnerable, the old, the weak, the immuno compromised 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 I also have a lot of friends in the hot zone where this bug seems to have another gear where it concentrates Doctors, cops, firefighters, and their families, they are in the breach, I'm pulling out all the stops for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, Shady said: People have already gotten it and become immune. They haven't had to wait for a vaccine. Uh huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Uh huh. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/health/coronavirus-immunity-antibodies.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 It won't take ten years for this bug to change its game up Pandemics come in waves The follow on waves are new bugs in real time The bug can turn on a dime, the more antibodies it encounters, the more it will turn The Chinese are not cocky about it, they are bracing for the second wave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Shady said: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/health/coronavirus-immunity-antibodies.html Yup uh huh. You plan on maintaining your distance from your point all day like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 There is a reason why the Germans have so few casualties so far They were super on top of it, right away They didn't mess about, they tested and tracked to contain We are not doing that The Germans are still not cocky, they are just getting even more prepared for mass casualties while they have time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 What’s the population of Seoul? 38 million, apparently. Most South Koreans must live there: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/heres-where-trump-might-have-gotten-his-bizarre-claim-that-seoul-has-38-million-people/ Now nobody is expected to carry such trivia around but this gem was asked of a journalist in an attempted gotcha moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 The Germans jumped right on this early and have done the most testing. Their numbers are a better snapshot of how many people got infected and how many died, because they did a very diligent job in producing test kits, resources, and data collection. Of course they would, thank you IG Farben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 25 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: The Germans jumped right on this early and have done the most testing. Their numbers are a better snapshot of how many people got infected and how many died, because they did a very diligent job in producing test kits, resources, and data collection. Of course they would, thank you IG Farben. Sort of. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/germany-coronavirus-death-rate-reasons-1.5513816 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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