Coroner says Jeff Epstein was strangulated

[SpankyMcFarland]

In the real world, incompetence is a more likely explanation than some intricate conspiracy. 
 

A few points about Michael Baden. He was chief medical examiner (not coroner) of New York City for one year before being fired 40 years ago. He is now 85. I don’t want to sound ageist here but there comes a point for everyone to surrender the stage to younger talents. Leaving that aside, is he really an expert on the specific topic in question, i.e. has he published a recent, large prospective study on pathological findings in suicidal hanging? 
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Baden

Edited November 9, 2019 by SpankyMcFarland

[QuebecOverCanada]

Ok this is very eery.

[OftenWrong]

6 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Ok this is very eery.

What's also eerie is the media silence. Does someone have that much control? 

[godzilla]

you know that project veritas is for tin foil hat people, right? hahaahah! I mean, talk about super cruel. they take down ACORN who is out there working for poor people and then are forced to admit that they lied and pay $100k in damages to the guy who lost his job over it. they admitted to making the whole thing up... but poor people got nothing out of it. they just lost a community outreach resource. fuck the poor, right?

[Guest]

On 11/6/2019 at 12:46 PM, godzilla said:

I love this story... its another "look over here, look over here" one. hahaha! cause we should probably ignore the fact that Epstein came to justice in the first place because the NY DA were obviously not satisfied with the luxury treatment he got from republican "justice" in Florida. this is a common thread to Fox news and the Republican machine... "anything we do bad, make it sound like the other side actually did the bad thing". it works for people who have the intellect of a child. "Republicans were protecting Epstein because he had the dirt on the Democrats and he was, like, about to tell us everything and that's why we let him off easy until the damn Democrats assassinated him."

well, guess we'll never know now... as usual, Fox is free to spin without anything EVER going to court because there isn't a shred of evidence.

They wouldn't be very good at their job if they left evidence.

Some stuff is just intuitive.

[godzilla]

intuitive?!! haahah! you're hilarious. is this like, lizard people intuition?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, godzilla said:

intuitive?!! haahah! you're hilarious. is this like, lizard people intuition?

I meant obvious.

And intuitive.

Edited November 8, 2019 by bcsapper

[jacee]

It appears that there may be more evidence to come on Epstein's death - eg, analysis of the ligature.

Also, it strikes me as odd that both guards slept for 3 hrs, missing up to 6 30 min checks. It's unlikely that the murders (because surely it was a conspiracy) would buy (and trust) the guards' silence. It's more likely that they were drugged. 

I would expect whistleblower  Baden to 'die' soon, and also Epstein's brother who hired him. 

[Goddess]

3 hours ago, jacee said:

It appears that there may be more evidence to come on Epstein's death - eg, analysis of the ligature.

Also, it strikes me as odd that both guards slept for 3 hrs, missing up to 6 30 min checks. It's unlikely that the murders (because surely it was a conspiracy) would buy (and trust) the guards' silence. It's more likely that they were drugged. 

I would expect whistleblower  Baden to 'die' soon, and also Epstein's brother who hired him. 

I'm gonna try and get ahead of the game and say that Epstein's prison guards didn't kill themselves either.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 11/6/2019 at 2:38 PM, DogOnPorch said:

So who murdered Epstein? 

The Royals?

The Clintons?

Someone else?

 

My money is on Epstein. The evidence points that way. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 11/20/2019 at 10:53 AM, jacee said:

It appears that there may be more evidence to come on Epstein's death - eg, analysis of the ligature.

Also, it strikes me as odd that both guards slept for 3 hrs, missing up to 6 30 min checks. It's unlikely that the murders (because surely it was a conspiracy) would buy (and trust) the guards' silence. It's more likely that they were drugged. 

I would expect whistleblower  Baden to 'die' soon, and also Epstein's brother who hired him. 

I agree about Baden. He is 85. 

[Rue]

 A pimp like Epstein had a blackbook and would have set up a trigger system that if anything happened to him dirt would be released about his vip clients.

So I argue he is alive and his death was faked and he is on some island and they will redo his face and off he will go unscathed because he's got to much dirt in trigger release packages all over the place. This is why his accomplice remains untouched as well. Why wasn't she taken out....think about it.,,

High level Pimps have trigger release systems in place to protect themselves. I like many who worked in the legal system know  In Toronto of high level escort agency pimps with black books on Judges and police and politicians and so remain untouched. People are naïve how this crap works. 

I believe Epstein's network was riddled with spies for both large corporate interests and country state security interests,

I believe myself Andrew was an  MI6 informant and his own agency have thrown out the dirt stories to discredit him now the Epstein network he was spying on is compromised. They are just covering their tracks. Andrew's job was to keep an eye on Russian mob and organized crime syndicate money coming into the UK. His cover was blown and they needed a new cover story to detract from what he did and let him go off and disappear with a new ideal cover-discredited bumb.

Either that or he really is a dumb phuck. Take your pick. He fits the profile of a patriot not a dumb phuck for me then again I can not imagine and accept as most do that he is a dumb phuck. I just find that assumption too obvious. I just found his deliberate suicide in a press interview just too convenient in portraying him as a dumb phuck. Think about it. He is surrounded by expert pr handlers. There is no way he could have done what he did without clearance from someone other than himself.

I also point out again, Melania Trump's father,a high level Commie is Trump's handler for Putin. Melania  was an escort in a Russian mob escort (modelling)  agency tight with Epstein and the same agency Meaghan Markle  was a member of. 

Andrew was appointed to succeed Philip as the inside Royal whose job is to head the society within the Royal Family devoted to protecting the monarchy line at all costs. I just don't see this man as a dumb phuck. More like a compromised operative put out to pasture where no one will notice him anymore and he can do his behind the scenes stuff with a great cover-being a discredited fool.

Lol now someone will say, then Trump can't be as dumb as he acts, so he must be spying on Putin by acting like he's compromised by him. Nah. I do believe Trump really is a dumb compromised phuck.

 

Edited November 24, 2019 by Rue

[WestCanMan]

I think that powerful people gave him two options: 1 he kills himself and 2 other people in his family commit suicide, Clinton-style. 

"He fell down an elevator shaft onto some bullets."

[SpankyMcFarland]

I can’t imagine MI6 trusting Andrew with any task, as he’d be bragging to all and sundry about it five minutes later. One issue that arose in the interview is when Epstein and the Duke first met. Andy’s former bodyguards could probably resolve this matter if they were allowed to do so.  

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I can’t imagine MI6 trusting Andrew with any task, as he’d be bragging to all and sundry about it five minutes later. One issue that arose in the interview is when Epstein and the Duke first met. Andy’s former bodyguards could probably resolve this matter if they were allowed to do so.  

No need to wait for anything to resolve.The man is a despicable cad. End of discussion, wouldn't you agree?

[Iceni warrior]

On 11/1/2019 at 2:33 PM, QuebecOverCanada said:

The coroner says the evidence shows that it is more probable that the sex trafficker for the Clintons and other elites was strangulated rather than hung.

This comes after the fact that so many Liberal media tried to call out "conspiracy theories" and "fake news" about his death.

Baden, 85, the coroner, has done over 20 000 autopsies in his career.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/forensic-pathologist-jeffrey-epstein-homicide-suicide

When you say ''the coroner'' are you mistakenly believing that Baden was the coroner in the Epstein case?

Are you unaware that he is just an expert that Fox has found who is prepared to say ''probable strangulation'' in order to perpetuate a conspiracy theory?

If you are aware then I can only conclude that you are dishonest and being deliberately misleading.

[QuebecOverCanada]

2 hours ago, Iceni warrior said:

When you say ''the coroner'' are you mistakenly believing that Baden was the coroner in the Epstein case?

Are you 'mistakenly believing'?

Are you at least a little bit informed?

[SpankyMcFarland]

16 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

No need to wait for anything to resolve.The man is a despicable cad. End of discussion, wouldn't you agree?

He is a waste of space. I suspect he first met Epstein much earlier than he claimed in the interview, something the members of his security detail could easily clear up if they were allowed to. 

[OftenWrong]

9 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

He is a waste of space. I suspect he first met Epstein much earlier than he claimed in the interview, something the members of his security detail could easily clear up if they were allowed to. 

Ok. Explanation accepted.

[WestCanMan]

On 11/26/2019 at 6:00 PM, Iceni warrior said:

When you say ''the coroner'' are you mistakenly believing that Baden was the coroner in the Epstein case?

Are you unaware that he is just an expert that Fox has found who is prepared to say ''probable strangulation'' in order to perpetuate a conspiracy theory?

If you are aware then I can only conclude that you are dishonest and being deliberately misleading.

Lol iceni. Are you trying to say that there's nothing left to see here? 

The conspiracy theory makes far more sense than the official story. 

If CNN and the Dems acted like there was a story here their sycophant horde would be pimping the story bigtime. But, as usual, when there's a blue-ribbon Democrat's reputation on the line CNN shuts the story down and to the Americans with less than half a brain, their word is gospel.

Tell me if you don't think this is fishy:

First they put Epstein in a cell with a quadruple murderer, then when the murderer was finally moved out Epstein was left alone in a cell where 2 cameras weren't working and 2 of the worst guards in the history of incarceration were sleeping on duty. Then he conveniently managed to break bones by jumping from the top bunk? That's not a conspiracy theory at all, those are just the facts. They're a conspiracy theory all on their own. 

Is this how a high-profile prisoner is usually treated? Do you know that Clifford Olson is still alive in prison, and that he was arrested in 1981?

How many quadruple murderers do you think Clifford Olson has shared a cell with in the last 38 years? Zero.

[Iceni warrior]

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Lol iceni. Are you trying to say that there's nothing left to see here? 

The conspiracy theory makes far more sense than the official story. 

If CNN and the Dems acted like there was a story here their sycophant horde would be pimping the story bigtime. But, as usual, when there's a blue-ribbon Democrat's reputation on the line CNN shuts the story down and to the Americans with less than half a brain, their word is gospel.

Tell me if you don't think this is fishy:

First they put Epstein in a cell with a quadruple murderer, then when the murderer was finally moved out Epstein was left alone in a cell where 2 cameras weren't working and 2 of the worst guards in the history of incarceration were sleeping on duty. Then he conveniently managed to break bones by jumping from the top bunk? That's not a conspiracy theory at all, those are just the facts. They're a conspiracy theory all on their own. 

Is this how a high-profile prisoner is usually treated? Do you know that Clifford Olson is still alive in prison, and that he was arrested in 1981?

How many quadruple murderers do you think Clifford Olson has shared a cell with in the last 38 years? Zero.

The only thing known for sure is that the American prison system needs more funding.

A quote from some retired ''expert'' on a case with which he has no first hand knowledge on a RW news service proves nothing. That's all I'm saying. That and the OP was deliberately misleading by calling him ''the coroner''.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Iceni warrior said:

The only thing known for sure is that the American prison system needs more funding.

A quote from some retired ''expert'' on a case with which he has no first hand knowledge on a RW news service proves nothing. That's all I'm saying. That and the OP was deliberately misleading by calling him ''the coroner''.

He's "a" coroner but not "the" coroner on that case.

I agree that proves nothing, but when Epstein died there was a 99% chance that he was taken out, and if someone was going to try and make it look like suicide this is exactly how they'd script it - sleeping guards, malfunctioning cameras, a hasty coroner's report, and Bob's your mother's brother.

[WestCanMan]

Not sure what the deal is with this Epstein story.

Every time that they say someone had sex there they say that it was with a 17 yr old girl. 

I get that it's not cool for a guy Prince Andrew's age to have sex with a 17 yr old, and the fact that he's married makes it sleazy, but in Canada that's not even a crime. Our age of consent was as low as 14 at one time. I think it's 16 now but I'm not sure. 

Is the media covering for these people by continually saying 17 yr olds, or is that the youngest sex-workers that they had there?

I was under the impression that they had much younger people there but I never hear about it on the news. I don't think that there will be a whole lot of outrage about 17 yr olds having sex. 

If they're shipped/held there against their will that's a different story, if they're younger than that it's a different story, but if people having consensual sex with 17 yr olds that's not a very big deal imo. Our own government just changed the age for consensual anal sex to 16 recently. It's a bit of a touchy subject for people who are against homosexuality but it's the same as the age for consensual vaginal sex too.

[Iceni warrior]

On 11/6/2019 at 9:21 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

In the real world, incompetence is a more likely explanation than some intricate conspiracy. 
 

A few points about Michael Baden. He was chief medical examiner (not coroner) of New York City for one year before being fired 40 years ago. He is now 85. I don’t want to sound ageist here but there comes a point for everyone to surrender the stage to younger talents. Leaving that aside, is he really an expert on the specific topic in question, i.e. has he published a recent, large prospective study on pathological findings in suicidal hanging? 
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Baden

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/why-to-be-skeptical-of-michael-baden-on-epsteins-death.html

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It took exactly one year for Koch’s high opinion of Baden to sour. Too many unforced errors added up, including picked-apart trial testimony in the “Dr. X” case, leading to the acquittal of Mario Jascalevich in a spate of poison-murders at Riverdell Hospital; a Housing Authority patrolman whose January 1979 murder went undetected for 12 hours, his body removed from the scene before a proper death investigation; conflicting conclusions relating to the chokehold death of a Brooklyn businessman at the hands of police; and off-the-cuff comments about the possibly sexual-intercourse-interrupting death of Governor Nelson Rockefeller. Not even a high-profile gig as supervising pathologist for the House Select Committee on Assassinations, which looked anew at the JFK and Martin Luther King Jr. cases, could save Baden from the chopping block.

He's got plenty of form on this, more interested in his own fame than getting at the truth.

Unreliable to say the least.

[Rue]

On ‎11‎/‎26‎/‎2019 at 6:05 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

I can’t imagine MI6 trusting Andrew with any task, as he’d be bragging to all and sundry about it five minutes later. One issue that arose in the interview is when Epstein and the Duke first met. Andy’s former bodyguards could probably resolve this matter if they were allowed to do so.  

Yah. Call it wishful thinking. I am trying to be his pr guy but stranger things have happened which is why I came up with that conspiracy theory. Its as good as any other..although man that interview...inexcusable even if he is disseminating distraction from something else.