The road to 2020

[bush_cheney2004]

Americans will choose their next president...it may or may not be Trump....been that way for almost 250 years.

[OftenWrong]

I say yes. His words and behaviour do not offend me. From my position it seems like the USA is doing alright. No bad things have happened. Even more remarkably, a few good things.

So what the heck more do you pretty boys want?

[OftenWrong]

35 minutes ago, Argus said:

No, absolutely not. A thousand times no.

So you prefer one of the Democrats? Which one?

[Teena]

Yes

[Shady]

Reluctantly yes.  In that the Democrats will probably nominate somebody so bad on policy, that whatever they make up in normalcy and dignity, etc, won’t be enough to offset something like the green new deal, or limitless illegal immigration.  Oh, and reparations.

Edited November 8, 2019 by Shady

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I say yes. His words and behaviour do not offend me. From my position it seems like the USA is doing alright. No bad things have happened. Even more remarkably, a few good things.

So what the heck more do you pretty boys want?

I don't care.  The question was, do I want to see him re-elected?  He's an execrable human being and I don't.  I'm not American, so whatever they decide to do is fine by me.  But I don't want to see the scumbag re-elected.  I hope he ends up in jail.

[bush_cheney2004]

15 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I don't care.  The question was, do I want to see him re-elected?  He's an execrable human being and I don't.  I'm not American, so whatever they decide to do is fine by me.  But I don't want to see the scumbag re-elected.  I hope he ends up in jail.

 

You don't have to see it....just ignore American politics and media.    Ignore this too:

 

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A majority of registered voters believe that President Trump will win the 2020 presidential election, according to a Morning Consult/Politico poll released on Wednesday.

The survey shows that 56 percent of voters believe the president will be reelected. Eighty-five percent of Republicans and 51 percent of independents were confident in Trump’s reelection effort, compared to 35 percent of Democrats.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/poll-majority-of-voters-believe-trump-will-be-reelected/

 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

You don't have to see it....just ignore American politics and media.    Ignore this too:

 

 

I could, but it would have been disrespectful to the OP not to have provided an honest answer.

As for ignoring it, ha, I'm stocking up on popcorn.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, bcsapper said:

I could, but it would have been disrespectful to the OP not to have provided an honest answer.

As for ignoring it, ha, I'm stocking up on popcorn.

 

OK, but the OP cannot force you to commit or engage in the process at all.  

You choose to do so, inviting any and all associated "scumbag" discomfort.

As you have indicated, it is American votes that will win or lose....that's the process...long before hating Trump.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

OK, but the OP cannot force you to commit or engage in the process at all.  

You choose to do so, inviting any and all associated "scumbag" discomfort.

As you have indicated, it is American votes that will win or lose....that's the process...long before hating Trump.

Yes, I'm not denying I entered into the arena as a very willing observer.  As such I will remain.  Your politics are so much more interesting.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

So you prefer one of the Democrats? Which one?

Joe Biden, at the moment. I can't think of any others that aren't batshit crazy. Mind you, there are some polling so low I've not even heard their names spoken.

Be even better if Mike Bloomberg ran and won.

Edited November 8, 2019 by Argus

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Yes, I'm not denying I entered into the arena as a very willing observer.  As such I will remain.  Your politics are so much more interesting.

 

Which is precisely why Trump's antics have proven to be so successful.

Trump's methods work to garner your attention, and the attention of many others from around the world....but he doesn't need their votes.

[Shady]

29 minutes ago, Argus said:

Joe Biden, at the moment. I can't think of any others that aren't batshit crazy. Mind you, there are some polling so low I've not even heard their names spoken.

Be even better if Mike Bloomberg ran and won.

The problem is that the Democrats have moved so far left that I’m not sure Biden can win the nomination.  I agree with you on Bloomberg too.

[Shady]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

I don't care.  The question was, do I want to see him re-elected?  He's an execrable human being and I don't.  I'm not American, so whatever they decide to do is fine by me.  But I don't want to see the scumbag re-elected.  I hope he ends up in jail.

The dilemma is and always has been, do you vote for or support a person who’s policies you generally think are better for you and the country, but is personally a total scumbag.  Or do you vote for the non scumbag, but who’s policies you think will be much worse for you and the country.  That’s always been the conundrum for conservatives/republicans/some independents and even some rust belt democrats.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

The dilemma is and always has been, do you vote for or support a person who’s policies you generally think are better for you and the country, but is personally a total scumbag.  Or do you vote for the non scumbag, but who’s policies you think will be much worse for you and the country.  That’s always been the conundrum for conservatives/republicans/some independents and even some rust belt democrats.

 

There have always been other choices....other party candidates on the ballot (my choice in 2016) or not voting at all (also very popular).

Trump is only one of many choices....

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

The dilemma is and always has been, do you vote for or support a person who’s policies you generally think are better for you and the country, but is personally a total scumbag.  Or do you vote for the non scumbag, but who’s policies you think will be much worse for you and the country.  That’s always been the conundrum for conservatives/republicans/some independents and even some rust belt democrats.

Sure, and I can see why people would be terrified of Sanders, Warren or AOC.  But I don't think Trump's policies will stand the test of time.  I think they are primarily aimed at a quick spike in popularity with no thought for the long term implications. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, bcsapper said:

Sure, and I can see why people would be terrified of Sanders, Warren or AOC.  But I don't think Trump's policies will stand the test of time.  I think they are primarily aimed at a quick spike in popularity with no thought for the long term implications. 

 

Partially true....many of Trump's policies and executive orders are only intended to reverse Obama era policies.   Some success...some not.

Trump is an important political figure in American politics not so much for what he has done, but for what he has stopped, if only temporarily.

The larger issues of globalization and America as world policeman have yet to play out.

[Yzermandius19]

I would like to see Trump re-elected, especially considering the competition. More importantly though, he will be re-elected, regardless of my views on the matter.

Edited November 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[godzilla]

17 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No, what I am saying is that Trump will push the boundaries of his office just like previous U.S. presidents.   President Obama certainly did...with drone executions of American citizens abroad, DACA, Fast & Furious, etc., etc.   Why is Trump being held to a different standard ?

 

 

You have been given answers...just not to your liking.  

American policy has always been dependent on getting something...for American interests.

 

No, your answer is loud and clear... There is no illegality that Trump can be involved in that would need to be addressed in a court of law. Trump is above the law. If "they" cheat, "we" cheat. If "they" mangle democracy to gain power, "we" mangle democracy to gain power. If "they" lie, "we" lie. A nation of laws no more. Only corrupt power.

Sad.

 

[Cannucklehead]

Just now, godzilla said:

No, your answer is loud and clear... There is no illegality that Trump can be involved in that would need to be addressed in a court of law. Trump is above the law. If "they" cheat, "we" cheat. If "they" mangle democracy to gain power, "we" mangle democracy to gain power. If "they" lie, "we" lie. A nation of laws no more. Only corrupt power.

Sad.

 

Every man/woman for themself.  Pure anarchy.  I love it.  

[godzilla]

as I've said... the danger is that Trump is in real legal jeopardy. more than any other president in recent history. and he knows it. unless he can be sure that the next president will pardon him then he's fucked. so, he's all in for tyranny. when he jokes about serving three terms or four terms... you know how Trump works. its not really a joke. he's not the kind of guy who wouldn't start stuffing ballot boxes. or worse. then he won't need his supporters anymore. its not like, he actually likes his supporters, right? I mean, seriously? he's spent his whole life looking down on yahoos like that.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 hours ago, godzilla said:

No, your answer is loud and clear... There is no illegality that Trump can be involved in that would need to be addressed in a court of law. Trump is above the law. If "they" cheat, "we" cheat. If "they" mangle democracy to gain power, "we" mangle democracy to gain power. If "they" lie, "we" lie. A nation of laws no more. Only corrupt power.

Sad.
 

 

Trump would have to be removed from office first.   That's the Constitution, the highest law of the land in the United States.

Besides, it's not like Trump conspired and broke the law to protect SNC-Lavalin the way that somebody else did in another corrupt nation.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, godzilla said:

as I've said... the danger is that Trump is in real legal jeopardy. more than any other president in recent history. and he knows it. unless he can be sure that the next president will pardon him then he's fucked. so, he's all in for tyranny. when he jokes about serving three terms or four terms... you know how Trump works. its not really a joke. he's not the kind of guy who wouldn't start stuffing ballot boxes. or worse. then he won't need his supporters anymore. its not like, he actually likes his supporters, right? I mean, seriously? he's spent his whole life looking down on yahoos like that.

 

There is no danger...Trump is just another U.S. president.   But for some reason, he drives some people nuts.   And that is very, very entertaining.

[godzilla]

well, you're probably right. I think he probably has pushed things as far as they can go. but it is interesting that none of his supporters on this forum are able to answer the original question. what that breaking point is for them.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, godzilla said:

well, you're probably right. I think he probably has pushed things as far as they can go. but it is interesting that none of his supporters on this forum are able to answer the original question. what that breaking point is for them.

 

I disagree..that original question has been answered.   Trump would lose their support when he ceases to be a means to an end, irrespective of any "illegal" personal or presidential actions.    Trump is a rude, crude bastard...but he is our bastard.