Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Joe Biden has no speed....he usually self destructs very slowly over time. For Biden, past results are an indicator of future performance. Bloomberg means cash, which the DNC needs badly. Bloomberg can't win the primary, regardless of cash, especially given his skipping all the primaries until Super Tuesday, so irrelevant. Stop and Frisk has him dead on arrival, deader than Kamala Harris even, pathetic. He's not even close to a top tier candidate, he's like Andrew Yang or Corey Booker with more money, polling in the same ballpark, he's not going anywhere. Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Bloomberg can't win the primary, regardless of cash, so irrelevant. Stop and Frisk has him dead on arrival, deader than Kamala Harris. Doesn't matter...clearly there are DNC elements who have little confidence in Biden...the "frontrunner" who can't raise money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Doesn't matter...clearly there are DNC elements who have little confidence in Biden...the "frontrunner" who can't raise money. It's called a back up plan, he's still Plan A, they are simply hedging their bets, just in case he falls off a cliff. A weak frontrunner is still a frontrunner, ask Mitt Romney. Even if Biden falls off a cliff, Bloomberg won't be the one who benefits, that will probably be Buttigieg. Bloomberg is going nowhere in this primary, he was foolish to jump in, guess he's just looking for a way to blow a tiny little bit of his fortune, for shits and giggles. If he thinks he actually has a chance, he's straight up delusional. Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: It's called a back up plan, he's still Plan A, they are simply hedging their bets, just in case he falls off a cliff. This game is about more than the top of the prez ticket...the game includes House and Senate races around the country, and having the war chest to compete. The GOP/RNC are kicking Team Joe's ass right now for fundraising...3 to 1. Those rich lefty bastards who love to give their money away are not impressed by Joe Biden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: This game is about more than the top of the prez ticket...the game includes House and Senate races around the country, and having the war chest to compete. The GOP/RNC are kicking Team Joe's ass right now for fundraising...3 to 1. Those rich lefty bastards who love to give their money away are not impressed by Joe Biden. The rich lefty bastards aren't impressed with any of the other candidates either. So Biden isn't going to lose because they are slow to jump on the train. the GOP/RNC are kicking all the Democrats asses, and they will kick Bloombergs ass too. Bloomberg is not the Democrat's white knight, be real. Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: The rich lefty bastards aren't impressed with any of the other candidates either. So Biden isn't going to lose because they are slow to jump on the train. Biden will most certainly lose if he cannot get the necessary fundraising done....this ain't Canada....money talks and bullshit walks. Go big or go home...and that takes lots of campaign cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Biden will most certainly lose if he cannot get the necessary fundraising done....this ain't Canada....money talks and bullshit walks. Go big or go home...and that takes lots of campaign cash. He can get the necessary fundraising done, even when he's not, he's still the clear frontrunner. Imagine what happens if he just wins two of the four states heading in Super Tuesday, and what happens after he cleans up on Super Tuesday when most of the voting takes place in territory where he has a massive advantage. That will certainly give him enough cash to get to the finish line of the Dem nomination at least. There is no white knight that is going to enter the race and raise so much more money than Joe Biden that Democrats will dump him just to get their hands on it. This is not a thing that is going to happen. The only way to take Joe Biden down, is to take his mantle of electability from him and cut into his support with black voters, you can't buy that with money, especially if you are Captain Stop and Frisk. If Bloomberg threw $50 billion into his Dem primary campaign, he couldn't buy that. Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: He can get the necessary fundraising done, even when he's not, he's still the clear frontrunner. Imagine what happens if he just wins two of the four states heading in Super Tuesday, and what happens after he cleans up on Super Tuesday when most of the voting takes place in territory where he has a massive advantage. That will certainly give him enough cash to get to the finish line of the Dem nomination at least. If...when...imagine....means nothing. And fundraising means more than his own campaign...the DNC is broke ! House and Senate races need to be funded by contributions before Biden works his "frontrunner" magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: If...when...imagine....means nothing. And fundraising means more than his own campaign...the DNC is broke ! House and Senate races need to be funded by contributions before Biden works his "frontrunner" magic. The DNC is going to be broke whether they run Biden or not, not running Biden will not save them from that. Trump will still out raise them significantly, regardless of who they pick. This is just as good of a reason to not run any non-Biden candidate, than to not run Biden, so that isn't going to be what sinks Biden. If Biden sinks, it will be for other reasons than this. Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intratec Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Money is the best attribute a candidate can possess, followed by charisma. Biden doesn't have much of either, but he's tied to Obama and the news media can't help but publicize him. The spotlight will always be on him. Saying Biden can't win doesn't make sense, we're talking about the democrats putting forth unpopular candidates after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, intratec said: Money is the best attribute a candidate can possess, followed by charisma. Biden doesn't have much of either, but he's tied to Obama and the news media can't help but publicize him. The spotlight will always be on him. Saying Biden can't win doesn't make sense, we're talking about the democrats putting forth unpopular candidates after all. Wrong. Trump didn't have the money in 2016, got outspent 2 to 1, but had the charisma, and won. If money was the most important, Jeb Bush would have won the 2016 Republican nomination, not Trump. Biden has more charisma than the rest of the Dem 2020 field, and the money deficit isn't wide enough to bury him, in fact it isn't even wide enough to make him not the frontrunner. Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: The DNC is going to be broke whether they run Biden or not, not running Biden will not save them from that. Trump will still out raise them significantly, regardless of who they pick. This is just as good of a reason to not run any non-Biden candidate, than to not run Biden, so that isn't going to be what sinks Biden. If Biden sinks, it will be for other reasons than this. Biden may not save them, but he can certainly hurt them more. "Frontrunner" Biden is not doing very well against the "weak" competition. Why Biden is getting crushed in the all-important money race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Biden may not save them, but he can certainly hurt them more. "Frontrunner" Biden is not doing very well against the "weak" competition. Why Biden is getting crushed in the all-important money race None of them are doing impressive enough in fundraising to close the gap with Biden, so it's not hurting as much as it would if that was the case. Biden strengths in other areas are too much for a gap this small to overcome. Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intratec Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Wrong. Trump didn't have the money in 2016, got outspent 2 to 1, but had the charisma, and won. Biden has more charisma than the rest of the Dem 2020 field. OK, so your first point supports mine, but in what world does Biden have charisma? Relative charisma? That's not even a thing. You got it or you don't. Warren and Sanders have passionate followers, but Biden is a mummy wrapped in coattails. It very well may be enough to get him to get a crack at Trump, but he's an uninspiring loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: None of them are doing impressive enough in fundraising to close the gap with Biden, so it's not hurting as much as it would if that was the case. Biden strengths in other areas are too much for a gap this small to overcome. Biden's lead is now down to single digits...and he is behind in Iowa. Being more impressive than other losers is not very impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Joe Biden has no charisma....not in 1988....not in 2008...and not in 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intratec Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Money ain't all important, it's just really important when you got nothing else going for you. We're wittinessing this truth right before our very eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 minute ago, intratec said: OK, so your first point supports mine, but in what world does Biden have charisma? Relative charisma? That's not even a thing. You got it or you don't. Warren and Sanders have passionate followers, but Biden is a mummy wrapped in coattails. It very well may be enough to get him to get a crack at Trump, but he's an uninspiring loser. Warren and Sanders have no charisma. Biden has more of it than them. More vocal far lefties supporting them doesn't make them more charismatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Joe Biden has no charisma....not in 1988....not in 2008...and not in 2019. No one in Dem field has charisma, it's all relative to your competition. As usual you are too busy evaluating Biden in a vacuum, instead of against his competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intratec Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: Warren and Sanders have no charisma. Biden has more of it than them. More vocal far lefties supporting them doesn't make them more charismatic. You can't see it, because you're not under their spell. They have a real fan base, its evident and unmistakable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: No one in Dem field has charisma, it's all relative to your competition. As usual you are too busy evaluating Biden in a vacuum, instead of against his competition. Nope....Bernie Sanders can energize a crowd much better than Joe Biden....performed much better against Hillary Clinton than did Biden. You just want Biden to prevail...and that's OK....but he might not do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Just now, intratec said: You can't see it, because you're not under their spell. They have a real fan base, its evident and unmistakable. That has nothing to do with charisma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nope....Bernie Sanders can energize a crowd much better than Joe Biden....performed much better against Hillary Clinton than did Biden. You just want Biden to prevail...and that's OK....but he might not do so. I don't want Biden to prevail. Firing up fringe far lefties is not charisma. Having a small vocal fan base doesn't win elections. Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intratec Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: That has nothing to do with charisma. If people going nuts for your antics doesn't qualify I don't know what does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: I don't want Biden to prevail. Firing up fringe far lefties is not charisma. Oh yes it is.....Sleepy Joe cannot do it...never could. Now he faces witness hearings in the U.S. Senate if Trump is impeached. Hope he can stay awake for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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