WestCanMan Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: THERE ARE NO DEATH PANELS Call it what you want, but there's a limit to how much any medical plan will cover. My sister had a daughter with cancer, and luckily their medical plan covered her chemo bills, but there was a family there who they were close to that didn't have coverage and they sold their home to buy medicine. In Edm (that's part of Canada). If you think that you can just keep getting heart surgeries or other expensive medical procedures over and over you're wrong. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
Guest Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) Trump supporters out in force yelling "count those votes! count those votes!" at the same time as Trump tries to get vote counting stopped. It would be surreal, if it were not so obviously self serving. Anyway, stay safe, Arizona poll workers. Edited November 5, 2020 by bcsapper Quote
BeaverFever Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: Trump has several rallies per day, all over an hour long, partly unscripted, and never stumbles over his words. ??? Om you’re kidding right? Trump is walking talking blooper reel Quote
BeaverFever Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: Call it what you want, but there's a limit to how much any medical plan will cover. My sister had a daughter with cancer, and luckily their medical plan covered her chemo bills, but there was a family there who they were close to that didn't have coverage and they sold their home to buy medicine. In Edm (that's part of Canada). If you think that you can just keep getting heart surgeries or other expensive medical procedures over and over you're wrong. Are you talking about someone in the US? Chemo is covered in every Canadian provincial plan. Nobody in Canada gets told they've had too many heart surgeries and gets cut off Edited November 5, 2020 by BeaverFever Quote
-TSS- Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 If this isn't a case for a some kind reform of the vote counting-system I don't know what is. 2 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, -TSS- said: If this isn't a case for a some kind reform of the vote counting-system I don't know what is. One would think so, but it is not that easy. Each state has its own procedures, manual and automated counting methods, and differing recount thresholds. Like the voter registration, vetting, and balloting process, there are several different civil and political interests that bring pressure to bear on any attempts at reform and uniformity across all states. Another problem is the media driven rush to get election results reported immediately. This puts a lot of pressure on election officials and tolerates expected errors (spoiled ballots, undercounts, overcounts, and mail delays) to be cleaned up later before certification. At a practical level, all of this chaos is accepted as good enough for government work because if an election is very close, then automatic recounts and audits are triggered. If the election result is not close, then the mistakes and errors are tolerated as inconsequential. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BeaverFever Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 5 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: One would think so, but it is not that easy. Each state has its own procedures, manual and automated counting methods, and differing recount thresholds. Like the voter registration, vetting, and balloting process, there are several different civil and political interests that bring pressure to bear on any attempts at reform and uniformity across all states. Another problem is the media driven rush to get election results reported immediately. This puts a lot of pressure on election officials and tolerates expected errors (spoiled ballots, undercounts, overcounts, and mail delays) to be cleaned up later before certification. At a practical level, all of this chaos is accepted as good enough for government work because if an election is very close, then automatic recounts and audits are triggered. If the election result is not close, then the mistakes and errors are tolerated as inconsequential. That has been the accepted convention to date but the differences aren’t just between states, there are often also differences between counties in the same state. And in the Trump world every little inconsistency, inconsequential or not, is grounds to attack the legitimacy of the electoral process for partisan reasons. And that’s a threat to your democracy. Aside from the vote count, allowing so many local decision makers in the voting process also allows local officials to game the system unfairly, for example intentionally placing fewer polling stations in certain districts, and in locations that are harder to access, having fewer booths and stocked with older less reliable machines to make lines longer etc. And then there’s gerrymandering. In Canada we have an independent arms length federal agency that runs the entire election coast to coast including periodically redrawing the ridings, establishing nation-wide voting times and locations, administering the election and counting the ballots. Voting is never a gong show and usually only takes minutes Quote
Boges Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 12 hours ago, Infidel Dog said: The Mail In Ballots are already where? Not Nevada. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/11/04/hmmm-nevada-wont-announce-any-more-election-results-until-thursday-n1125221 This below was your original claim though: So they're still waiting for ballots in Nevada. It's Arizona where I hear Trump pushing for a continued count. Arizona claims mail-ins have already been counted. The remaining districts waiting to be counted are Trump territory. So yes, they want those counted. https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-major-error-found-in-arizona-results I imagine they'd like Nevada counted too, but Arizona is the big one. There are 11 electoral votes in Arizona. Just 6 in Nevada. I'm not sure why you want to talk about those two states so bad though. Right now the allegations of vote fixing are in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. The Arizona Secretary of State was on CNN last night. She said all in-person vote counting is done. The votes left to be counted are Drop Box, Mail-In and Early votes. And a vast majority are in the Phoenix area. Ditto with Nevada, the vast majority are Mail-In Votes from Vegas and Reno In Georgia it's Mail-in votes from Atlanta, AND in Pennsylvania it's mail-in votes from Philly. Don't pick and choose which votes you want counted and which ones you don't. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 3 hours ago, BeaverFever said: In Canada we have an independent arms length federal agency that runs the entire election coast to coast including periodically redrawing the ridings, establishing nation-wide voting times and locations, administering the election and counting the ballots. Voting is never a gong show and usually only takes minutes Canadian federal election ballots are very simple compared to a U.S. state ballot that combines federal, state, county, and city elections, with far fewer offices and no direct vote for the prime minister. Canada also disenfranchises expat voters abroad and has far fewer votes to count from military and other persons stationed/living outside the country. Americans vote more often in federal elections and don't make an issue of the cost. Also, news bureaus and media from around the world do not scrutinize Canadian federal elections nearly as much as in the U.S., hence no "gong show". 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canadian federal election ballots are very simple compared to a U.S. state ballot that combines federal, state, county, and city elections, with far fewer offices and no direct vote for the prime minister. Canada also disenfranchises expat voters abroad and has far fewer votes to count from military and other persons stationed/living outside the country. Americans vote more often in federal elections and don't make an issue of the cost. Also, news bureaus and media from around the world do not scrutinize Canadian federal elections nearly as much as in the U.S., hence no "gong show". It must have been Minneapolis-St Paul that swung this over to Biden in Minnesota. Riots trump Economics. Bloody odd...but there it is. Portland...I expect this sorta crap... Kenosha for Biden? Are they insane? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Shady Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 Republicans have to go to court in Pennsylvania just to observe the ballot counting! WTF? 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, Shady said: Republicans have to go to court in Pennsylvania just to observe the ballot counting! WTF? Can't cheat if they're watching...duh. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: It must have been Minneapolis-St Paul that swung this over to Biden in Minnesota. Riots trump Economics. Bloody odd...but there it is. Portland...I expect this sorta crap... Kenosha for Biden? Are they insane? Yes....most of rural MN is quite red...the GOP even turfed a longstanding Democrat congressman with the largest district in the U.S. The protestors and rioters still ain't happy and were getting more law enforcement love yesterday for blocking the interstate highway. https://www.startribune.com/more-than-600-arrested-during-anti-trump-march-on-i-94-in-minneapolis/572980392/ 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes....most of rural MN is quite red...the GOP even turfed a longstanding Democrat congressman with the largest district in the U.S. The protestors and rioters still ain't happy and were getting more law enforcement love yesterday for blocking the interstate highway. https://www.startribune.com/more-than-600-arrested-during-anti-trump-march-on-i-94-in-minneapolis/572980392/ I guess it's the power of the MSM at work...it was them Proud Boys that set your cities alight... Buncha hicks... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
WestCanMan Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 12 hours ago, BeaverFever said: ??? Om you’re kidding right? Trump is walking talking blooper reel Dude your blooper reel is taken over decades, he's been speaking on tv for several thousands of hours over that period of time, and some of the things he said are just funny, like the comment about his daughter. None of the things that you showed are indicative of dementia. Joe's blooper reel from his last 6 hours of talking on TV is riddled with dozens of instances where he showed that he didn't know what city he was in, what state he was in, he said his son won a 'conspicuous' service medal and I don't even know what he was trying to say there, he doesn't know what jacket he has on, he forgets Trump's name, he says he's going to beat Joe Biden in the election, and most alarmingly his sentences often deteriorate into unintelligible gibberish. Keep in mind, that's just in the last 6 or 8 hours of him speaking on TV and from his basement, and he doesn't get asked tough questions by anyone ever. Even at the debates he just got a pass. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
WestCanMan Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 12 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Are you talking about someone in the US? Chemo is covered in every Canadian provincial plan. I'm talking about in Edmonton. https://globalnews.ca/news/1656699/the-cost-of-cancer-how-much-do-cancer-drugs-cost-canadians/ Quote Nobody in Canada gets told they've had too many heart surgeries and gets cut off Cut off, maybe not, but wait-listed.... yep. A wait list is a death sentence. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
BeaverFever Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 58 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canadian federal election ballots are very simple compared to a U.S. state ballot that combines federal, state, county, and city elections, with far fewer offices and no direct vote for the prime minister. Canada also disenfranchises expat voters abroad and has far fewer votes to count from military and other persons stationed/living outside the country. Americans vote more often in federal elections and don't make an issue of the cost. Also, news bureaus and media from around the world do not scrutinize Canadian federal elections nearly as much as in the U.S., hence no "gong show". Yeah it was the Harper conservative government who disenfranchised expats. But that was only recently it wasn’t a problem before At any rate the greater number of overseas voters in the US makes amore compelling case for the US to have a national standard, not that it will ever happen Americans having to vote for dozens of positions like sheriffs, county clerks, judges, prosecutors, county comptrollers, state insurance commissioners etc etc is part of the problem. Those jobs filled by the applicant with the most qualified resume not by the politician with the most popular campaign. And then all kinds of ballot initiatives on issues that voters often know little about and you basically have a referendum based on a short blurb Quote
BeaverFever Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 28 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Dude your blooper reel is taken over decades, he's been speaking on tv for several thousands of hours over that period of time, and some of the things he said are just funny, like the comment about his daughter. None of the things that you showed are indicative of dementia. Joe's blooper reel from his last 6 hours of talking on TV is riddled with dozens of instances where he showed that he didn't know what city he was in, what state he was in, he said his son won a 'conspicuous' service medal and I don't even know what he was trying to say there, he doesn't know what jacket he has on, he forgets Trump's name, he says he's going to beat Joe Biden in the election, and most alarmingly his sentences often deteriorate into unintelligible gibberish. Keep in mind, that's just in the last 6 or 8 hours of him speaking on TV and from his basement, and he doesn't get asked tough questions by anyone ever. Even at the debates he just got a pass. Decades???? How long do you think Trump has been president for? Quote
BeaverFever Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I'm talking about in Edmonton. https://globalnews.ca/news/1656699/the-cost-of-cancer-how-much-do-cancer-drugs-cost-canadians/ Cut off, maybe not, but wait-listed.... yep. A wait list is a death sentence. No. Deciding whether a plan will cover an expense for anyone who has coverage is not the same as the Rights supposed made up death panels that would deny treatment to specific people who they don't deem worthy Wait lists - where they even occur - are prioritized based on the patient’s medical necessity not whether the specific person “deserves” the cost of treatment due to age or having had ‘too many’ treatments already . And it’s not decided by any panel or government body it’s simply the treatment providers determination Again instead of trying to point to things that have always been part of the American insurance industry please show me what new “death panels” came about because of Obamacare. Quote
Guest Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Decades???? How long do you think Trump has been president for? It only seems like decades... Quote
Infidel Dog Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Boges said: The Arizona Secretary of State was on CNN last night. She said all in-person vote counting is done. The votes left to be counted are Drop Box, Mail-In and Early votes. And a vast majority are in the Phoenix area. Was that before or after this: Quote As Maricopa County released the results from 140,000 more ballots on Wednesday night and Thursday morning, President Donald Trump received almost the exact share he would need to charge back to win Arizona's 11 electoral votes and potentially reelection. Trump won the batches of ballots from Maricopa County counted Wednesday and early Thursday by a roughly 57-40 margin over former Vice President Joe Biden. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/04/latest-batch-trump-gets-share-votes-he-would-need-reclaim-arizona-next-rounds-present-challenges/6169183002/ So, do you see now why the Trump campaign wanted those counted before activist Democrats like Arizona Secretary of State, Katie Hobbs could get at them? BTW did you hear about "Shapiegate" in Arizona. Sharpies are known to damage ballots. The Arizona dems were handing them out at the polls. Lots of deniers to that but I hear it's going to court. But that was your original question wasn't it? Why would Trump want the votes counted right away in Arizona, but want the count frozen in places like Milwaukee where more ballots were received than people in the district or Wayne Count Michigan where a sudden storm of street people appeared at vote counting stations at 4 in the morning carrying sacks and coolers of ballots after the vote count had been announced as closed until the morning. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 33 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: ...Americans having to vote for dozens of positions like sheriffs, county clerks, judges, prosecutors, county comptrollers, state insurance commissioners etc etc is part of the problem... Sure...Americans have far more "democracy" for federal, state, county, and city elections. A Canadian federal ballot is child's play in comparison: 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Shady said: Hmmmm Surely counting should be stopped! Quote
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