Kerfuffle Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Not necessarily a good thing...mass shootings per capita in some other nations is nothing to brag about. President Obama thought he had it all figured out too, but he was wrong: 20% of NRA members are Democrats, and 40% of U.S. gun owners are Democrats. Guns are very, very American, regardless of the NRA. Not necessarily a good thing...mass shootings per capita in some other nations is nothing to brag about. These would be mostly poor broken down countries. I dont agree....money is a very american thing....you can buy anything including votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kerfuffle said: Not necessarily a good thing...mass shootings per capita in some other nations is nothing to brag about. These would be mostly poor broken down countries. So what's Canada's excuse for its "mass shootings", if it is so much better that these other countries ? Quote I dont agree....money is a very american thing....you can buy anything including votes. 300 million guns say you are wrong. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Not necessarily a good thing...mass shootings per capita in some other nations is nothing to brag about. President Obama thought he had it all figured out too, but he was wrong: 20% of NRA members are Democrats, and 40% of U.S. gun owners are Democrats. Guns are very, very American, regardless of the NRA. Hard to get gun laws passed when Republican led congress blocks you from stepping on the NRA's toes Congress blocked Obama's call for new gun laws after mass shootings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Kerfuffle said: Hard to get gun laws passed when Republican led congress blocks you from stepping on the NRA's toes Congress blocked Obama's call for new gun laws after mass shootings So ? Congress exists as a check and balance on executive power. President Barack Obama: "Elections have consequences". Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So what's Canada's excuse for its "mass shootings", if it is so much better that these other countries ? 300 million guns say you are wrong. There is no excuse for any unjustified shooting....its just plain wrong.....but you can try to limit the amount of gun crimes through gun laws ,which Canada has done and shows in the amount of homicides by capita most civilized countries have done except the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So ? Congress exists as a check and balance on executive power. President Barack Obama: "Elections have consequences". Wrong Congress votes with who ever donates the most to their election not whats best interest to the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, Kerfuffle said: Wrong Congress votes with who ever donates the most to their election not whats best interest to the country. ...and where do think Obama's money came from.....trees ? Hell, Obama & Clinton even got PAC money from Canadians. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 28 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Guns are very, very American, regardless of the NRA. Are you saying all gun owners are the same? There is a world of difference between someone that has a hunting rifle or two, and someone with an arsenal of assault weapons modified for automatic fire (brass rainbow). The one difference between America and Canada is that there are also a large number of handgun owners in America, but most of them couldn't shoot straight if their weapon didn't jam in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: ...and where do think Obama's money came from.....trees ? Hell, Obama & Clinton even got PAC money from Canadians. Individual Contributions - Small Individual Contributions - Large Individual Contributions $549,580,640 $234,388,190 (32%) $315,192,451 (43%) (74%) PAC Contributions $0 (0%) Candidate self-financing $5,000 (0%) Federal Funds $0 (0%) Other $0 (0%) PAC CONTRIBUTIONS = $0 and where do think Obama's money came from.....trees ? Didnt come from the NRA NRA spent $15 million to oust President Obama from office in 2012, and donated overwhelmingly to Republican candidates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Are you saying all gun owners are the same? There is a world of difference between someone that has a hunting rifle or two, and someone with an arsenal of assault weapons modified for automatic fire (brass rainbow). The one difference between America and Canada is that there are also a large number of handgun owners in America, but most of them couldn't shoot straight if their weapon didn't jam in the first place. Clearly I did not say any such thing. Gun ownership is very common in the United States, for many different Americans. Nearly 18,000 gun homicides means that some people are very much "shooting straight". Edited February 16, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kerfuffle said: Individual Contributions - Small Individual Contributions - Large Individual Contributions $549,580,640 $234,388,190 (32%) $315,192,451 (43%) (74%) PAC Contributions $0 (0%) Candidae self-financing $5,000 (0%) Federal Funds $0 (0%) Othr $0 and where do think Obama's money came from.....trees ? Didnt come from the NRA NRA spent $15 million to oust President Obama from office in 2012, and donated overwhelmingly to Republican candidates Super PACs are aligned for there partisan causes and ideology. Democrats did receive contributions from the NRA...much less than Republicans. https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/superpacs.php Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) Since all the gun crimes are not mental illness there are other factors involved Some ways of reducing gun crimes 1-Spend more on mental health 2-Laws to keep guns out of the hands of people with mental illness. 3-Banning assault weapons and weapons with high capacity magazines/clips. 4-Laws to make gun owners more responsible for the guns registered to them 5-The public to form an association to compete with donations to members of congress to secure there vote for gun controls. Edited February 16, 2018 by Kerfuffle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kerfuffle said: Since all the crimes are not mental illness there are other factors involved 1-Spend more on mental health 2-Laws to keep guns out of the hands of people with mental illness. 3-Banning assault weapons and weapons with high capacity magazines/clips. 4-Laws to make gun owners more responsible for the guns registered to them 5 - Buy more guns ! 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: 5 - Buy more guns ! Let you have all the guns you want.....but tax bullets and anything needed to make your own bullets at a ridiculous amount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kerfuffle said: Let you have all the guns you want.....but tax bullets and anything needed to make your own bullets at a ridiculous amount You'll "let" BC have his guns? How magnanimous of you. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, DogOnPorch said: You'll "let" BC have his guns? How magnanimous of you. I know...right ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, ?Impact said: Sorry, I forgot. He isn't Muslim or native so he is a human being. Where were you the 39 times the police showed up at his door in the past 5-6 years, or when the FBI got his name from a post saying he would be the next school shooter, or the numerous times he got in trouble at school including being expelled? I was probably speaking out against people who want to blame and punish people for being sick. In all the 39 times the police showed up to talk with this kid did anyone think to send a psychiatrist? BTW how do you punish your kids when they come home with the flu? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: I know...right ? I don't know what we'd do without their Nanny skills. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: I don't know what we'd do without their Nanny skills. Probably shoot yourself cleaning your gun....remember when i told you to not run with scissors in your hand....oh well it save me on the cost to have you neutered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Kerfuffle said: Probably shoot yourself cleaning your gun....remember when i told you to not run with scissors in your hand....oh well it save me on the cost to have you neutered Wrong end...point the gun the other way...and not at me. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Kerfuffle said: Some ways of reducing gun crimes 1-Spend more on mental health The vast share of which should be spent on changing the public's medieval attitudes towards mental illness. They're even more primitive than attitudes towards guns. Edited February 16, 2018 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kerfuffle said: Probably shoot yourself cleaning your gun.... Probably not...he knows the difference between magazines and clips. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 It'd be refreshing is the GOP comes out and says these shootings are the price of freedom. And that they don't give two shits about the "victims". Because not moving on ANY!!! gun control regulations, even those that are very popular, prove that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Boges said: It'd be refreshing is the GOP comes out and says these shootings are the price of freedom. And that they don't give two shits about the "victims". Because not moving on ANY!!! gun control regulations, even those that are very popular, prove that. Give us your vision of how 'gun control' will work. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Give us your vision of how 'gun control' will work. Dunno, maybe allowing the FBI from being able to ban a guy, who they had concerns, about from getting an AR15. That's a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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