bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, -TSS- said: There have been these school-shootings and other massacres in the USA for years with no regard to which party has their man in the White House so trying to say that it's this or that party's fault is just trying to capitalise politically on the issue. Agreed....it has always been thus. The 2018 election cycle is in full swing. Quote “We spent a whole bunch of time and a whole bunch of political capital yelling and screaming about assault weapons,” Mayor Mitchell J. Landrieu of New Orleans said. He called it a “zero sum political fight about a symbolic weapon.” https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunday-review/the-assault-weapon-myth.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Maybe we don't want to....not for other nationals to decide what Americans can surely do. Your opinion does not make laws in the United States. Hey....How many times has America sent troops to quell atrocities in other countries...is that not the same thing ....not for Americans to decide what other countries can surely do. Im sure that the majority of AMERICANS want something done to stop watching their children slaughtered....you are one of the few that are opposed to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, -TSS- said: There have been these school-shootings and other massacres in the USA for years with no regard to which party has their man in the White House so trying to say that it's this or that party's fault is just trying to capitalise politically on the issue. I Agree it should not be party lines....there should be some kind of an effort instead of years talking about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, Kerfuffle said: Hey....How many times has America sent troops to quell atrocities in other countries...is that not the same thing ....not for Americans to decide what other countries can surely do. Im sure that the majority of AMERICANS want something done to stop watching their children slaughtered....you are one of the few that are opposed to change. More opinion from outside the United States....does nothing to impact legislation or enforcement of existing gun laws (there are many). When are Canadian troops coming to the USA to enforce gun control ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: More opinion from outside the United States....does nothing to impact legislation or enforcement of existing gun laws (there are many). When are Canadian troops coming to the USA to enforce gun control ? Unlike the Americans we do not exert our values through force....not that we could anyways....but its not our nature. I know its a real ball buster for you to have anyone criticize you country it gnaws at you.....get use to it...the world are shaking their heads and laughing at a once great countries downfall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Kerfuffle said: Unlike the Americans we do not exert our values through force....not that we could anyways....but its not our nature. History says otherwise....Haiti...Kosovo...Iraq....Afghanistan...etc. Quote I know its a real ball buster for you to have anyone criticize you country it gnaws at you.....get use to it...the world are shaking their heads and laughing at a once great countries downfall. Sure...it gnaws so much, nothing has been done to satisfy the gun grabbing sycophants in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: History says otherwise....Haiti...Kosovo...Iraq....Afghanistan...etc. Sure...it gnaws so much, nothing has been done to satisfy the gun grabbing sycophants in Canada. Kosovo-Canada called this "Operation Kinetic," committing at least 1,300 soldiers to the KFOR peacekeeping operation based in the Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. Afghanistan-Iraq- at the request of the USA Haiti- with the UN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: History says otherwise....Haiti...Kosovo...Iraq....Afghanistan...etc. Sure...it gnaws so much, nothing has been done to satisfy the gun grabbing sycophants in Canada. Are you afraid Canadians will take your guns.....no thanks we have plenty plus we can buy glocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 This is why focusing on "scary assault rifles" is another political circle jerk: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Mayers Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: This is why focusing on "scary assault rifles" is another political circle jerk: Bull. The equalizing comparisons are not correct. Assault military rifles use larger rounds and have mechanisms in them for making it available to be fully automatic. The only real difference (if the design is kept in sync) is to the barrel's thickness (to absorb heat and keep it from warping) and to the pin in a device that stops a breach block. So it is relatively easy to alter the single shot versions by various means. REGARDLESS, the guns versus the other objects are designed specifically as tools to KILL! All the others have essential functions external to mere harm. A pen, for that matter, is just as dangerous as a weapon. One advantage of guns is their capacity to be successful AND potentially act 'humane' by killing them more quickly. Another point I've mentioned before in similar arguments that I likely would have brought up with you until you cowarded out of my competition earlier here: If guns should be allowed in comparing dominoes of 'weapons' that harm all the way down to the fist, you have to except the logic for even more destructive weapons. For instance, if carrying guns is argued to reduce risk by mutual fears that prevent each other from acting, why not have individuals be allowed to where bombs they can wear? If we all had such a right, wouldn't this too reduce the threats for fear of mutual annihilation? Edited February 17, 2018 by Scott Mayers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Scott Mayers said: Bull. The equalizing comparisons are not correct. Assault military rifles use larger rounds and have mechanisms in them for making it available to be fully automatic. How many "assault military rifles" have you owned or fired ? Do you know the difference between an AR-15 and M-16 or AK-47 ? Do you know what size round each takes ? Sorry, but it is a fact that rifles of all types are responsible for a very small portion of gun homicides. Edited February 17, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 What is the preferred rifle type of school mass shooters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: This is why focusing on "scary assault rifles" is another political circle jerk: Some discrepancies` as mine are from 2017....as you can see guns are the major contributor to murders....auto accidents and drunk driving are stretching it..`. Edited February 17, 2018 by Kerfuffle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 Weapon types used in U.S. "mass shootings" from 1982 - 2017: https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, ?Impact said: What is the preferred rifle type of school mass shooters? The ones to inflict the greatest body count...such as AR 15....Im suprised some asshole hasnt tried ti use hand grenades...oh i guess grenades are hard to get unlike the AR 15 they can get from corner store Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Weapon types used in U.S. "mass shootings" from 1982 - 2017: https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/ BC How much would the semi auto handguns clips probably hold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Kerfuffle said: BC How much would the semi auto handguns clips probably hold? They don't use "clips"...they use magazines from 5 up to a 20+1 capacity. https://www.pewpewtactical.com/difference-gun-magazine-vs-clip/ Edited February 17, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted February 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: They don't use "clips"...they use magazines from 5 up to a 20+1 capacity. So at 20 per magazine they could do lots of damage between reloads...what about limiting magazine capacity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: They don't use "clips"...they use magazines from 5 up to a 20+1 capacity. The M1 Garand being a good example of a semi-automatic clip fed rifle...heh, I hate that thing. One round left in the clip??? Screw that. ~BANG~ reload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: 20+1 capacity. When Gabrielle Giffords was shot, the POS had a Glock 19 with 31 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 Don't forget the drum mag...rarely used now...but higher capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Kerfuffle said: So at 20 per magazine they could do lots of damage between reloads...what about limiting magazine capacity What about it ? Shooter would just use more semi-auto handguns, or just use lots of magazines. Even a revolver can be quickly replenished with a speed loader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The M1 Garand being a good example of a semi-automatic clip fed rifle...heh, I hate that thing. One round left in the clip??? Screw that. ~BANG~ reload. Still, a very fine rifle, designed by another Canadian able to pursue his dreams in...'Murica ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Still, a very fine rifle, designed by another Canadian able to pursue his dreams in...'Murica ! It was a great rifle...just that's the obvious fail re the M1. Empty to reload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: It was a great rifle...just that's the obvious fail re the M1. Empty to reload. Yeah, but it had a bitchin' bayonet and dry fired with a distinctive click. Kinda heavy though....we used them for drill in the 1970s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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