Kerfuffle Posted February 21, 2018 Author Report Posted February 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Depends...and varies by state....deadly force is permitted to prevent death or injury to oneself or others. Concealed carry holders have lawfully dispatched perps outside of their homes and on public property. The more narrow "castle doctrine" generally permits lawful firearms uses against intruders in the home, regardless of their (unknown) intentions. No, as many commonly used firearms today incorporate semi-automatic loading action, from sporting shotguns to handguns. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The baby killing abortion rights folks haven't agreed to a "happy medium", so I don't know why the gun nuts are expected to just roll over on their constitutionally enumerated gun rights. Trying to take the guns away would result in larger conflict and shootings. Don't think abortion has anything to do with it. I know there are gun rights in the American Constitution, but I'm not sure that means they are unlimited. Too many innocent people are being killed now. Guns falling into the wrong hands and people owning military style automatic firearms that are costing a lot of lives and for what purpose? Quote
?Impact Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Kerfuffle said: The Supreme court 2nd amendment desicion ... 157 page decision, that everyone has their two sentence summary for. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, blackbird said: Don't think abortion has anything to do with it. Abortions rights were created via Roe v. Wade by the U.S. Supreme Court, the same court that has affirmed gun rights that, unlike abortions, are specifically enumerated by the 2nd Amendment. Drawing parallels to abortion "killing" works for the pure political dynamic that is in play, at least for court rulings. The baby killing abortion rights lobbies refuse to compromise to a "happy medium". Quote I know there are gun rights in the American Constitution, but I'm not sure that means they are unlimited. Too many innocent people are being killed now. Guns falling into the wrong hands and people owning military style automatic firearms that are costing a lot of lives and for what purpose? I don't know of any group, including the NRA that is claiming unlimited, automatic, military spec gun rights. Long guns and rifles only cause a small portion of gun homicides, regardless of their design. Hand guns cause the majority of gun homicides / suicides, but the media focuses more on high profile "mass shootings". Gun rights should not be infringed because of criminals and the mentally ill. Edited February 21, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
?Impact Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Long guns and rifles only cause a small portion of gun homicides, regardless of their design. In mass shootings, rifles and shotguns are used almost as frequently as semi-automatic handguns. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, ?Impact said: In mass shootings, rifles and shotguns are used almost as frequently as semi-automatic handguns. "Mass shootings" are only a small fraction of gun homicides and suicides in the U.S. Nice try..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
?Impact Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: "Mass shootings" are only a small fraction of gun homicides and suicides in the U.S. Now you are including suicides in your argument. Why don't you include being killed by a foreign born terrorist? Oh wait, you are four time more likely to die in a mass shooting as being killed by a foreign born terrorist. Why do we spend trillions on the foreign born terrorist threat, and completely ignore the mass shooting threat? Could it be that the NRA masters in the arms industry have the politicians in their pocket. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Now you are including suicides in your argument. Why don't you include being killed by a foreign born terrorist? Oh wait, you are four time more likely to die in a mass shooting as being killed by a foreign born terrorist. Why do we spend trillions on the foreign born terrorist threat, and completely ignore the mass shooting threat? Could it be that the NRA masters in the arms industry have the politicians in their pocket. I sure hope so...that's why we pay our NRA membership dues ! 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, ?Impact said: So you are saying that the self proclaimed responsible gun owners are just thugs? I could be wrong but I think he's saying that the 2nd Amendment makes Americans responsible for shooting the government if it comes knocking at the your door to take your guns away.. Edited February 21, 2018 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blackbird Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I Abortions rights were created via Roe v. Wade by the U.S. Supreme Court, the same court that has affirmed gun rights that, unlike abortions, are specifically enumerated by the 2nd Amendment. Drawing parallels to abortion "killing" works for the pure political dynamic that is in play, at least for court rulings. The baby killing abortion rights lobbies refuse to compromise to a "happy medium". I don't know of any group, including the NRA that is claiming unlimited, automatic, military spec gun rights. Long guns and rifles only cause a small portion of gun homicides, regardless of their design. Hand guns cause the majority of gun homicides / suicides, but the media focuses more on high profile "mass shootings". Gun rights should not be infringed because of criminals and the mentally ill. I don't care what the NRA says because it is strictly a gun rights lobby group. Statistics are what matter. One website reports: All shootings: Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015, according to the Gun Violence Archive, and 26,819 people were injured [those figures exclude suicide]. Those figures are likely to rise by several hundred, once incidents in the final week of the year are counted. The U.S. has 30X as many killings by guns as the UK. Killings in the U.S. are done 60% of the time by guns; Killings in Canada are about 31% of the time by guns. The number of people killed by guns in the U.S. is up there probably near or even more than the number of casualties from the Vietnam war. I think about 50,000 soldiers were killed in the Vietnam war but that is over a number of years. So if you consider the number of people killed by guns in the U.S. over that same number of years, it may be much larger. But the gun lobby is very powerful and those who want to change the system have a huge mountain to get over. Edited February 21, 2018 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 The number of people killed in the U.S. each year by guns is more than some wars. Quote
betsy Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) It's not the guns. It's the people who handle the guns. There are lots of people killed by car crash, or hit by cars. I don't think there's anyone who actually blamed the cars. Edited February 21, 2018 by betsy Quote
kactus Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, betsy said: It's not the guns. It's the people who handle the guns. There are lots of people killed by car crash, or hit by cars. I don't think there's anyone who actually blamed the cars. Which is why there must be a vetted proccess over gun control for people with mental health etc..... Quote
Altai Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) Saddd Edited February 21, 2018 by Altai Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
betsy Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, kactus said: Which is why there must be a vetted proccess over gun control for people with mental health etc..... Is there no process like that yet for the mentally unstable? Edited February 21, 2018 by betsy Quote
LonJowett Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, betsy said: Is there no process like that yet for the mentally unstable? Obama put one in place but Trump got rid of it because Obama put it in place. Way to go, eh? Quote Oliver: Now why did you get two tickets to Chicago when you know that I wanted to spend my honeymoon in Saskatchewan? Stanley: Well, the man said there was no such place as sus - -Swee - Sas...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, LonJowett said: Obama put one in place but Trump got rid of it because Obama put it in place. Way to go, eh? ACLU fought Obama's overreach as well, because it discriminated against people, for issues far beyond gun rights. Which rights would Canadians gladly give up ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kactus Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: ACLU fought Obama's overreach as well, because it discriminated against people, for issues far beyond gun rights. Which rights would Canadians gladly give up ? Controlling gun sales to mentally unstable people is not discriminatory....It has norhing to do with being a Canadian. It is about putting sound procedure into place. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, kactus said: Controlling gun sales to mentally unstable people is not discriminatory....It has norhing to do with being a Canadian. It is about putting sound procedure into place. So you won't give up any rights either...got it. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
betsy Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, LonJowett said: Obama put one in place but Trump got rid of it because Obama put it in place. Way to go, eh? Nothing is perfect! Some will slipped through the cracks! Just look at our vetting and screening for terrorists! How many had gotten in??? If you're going to scream for banning guns because of people slipping through the cracks - then you should be screaming at Trudeau to ban immigration! Same principle. Edited February 21, 2018 by betsy Quote
?Impact Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 5 hours ago, betsy said: There are lots of people killed by car crash, or hit by cars Cars and their drivers are heavily regulated. Drivers must be licensed, and a general class license doesn't allow them to drive an AK47 transport truck. Thanks for your strong vote for gun control. Quote
kactus Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 Brilliant!!! Let’s blame immigrants if one has mental issues regardless if it is home grown killings....It is sickening how people here associate mental health with immigration. Pretty much sums up Trump supporters. Quote
Altai Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 What was the name of the school been attacked ? Why its not mentioned in any news agencies ? Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
?Impact Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, Altai said: What was the name of the school been attacked ? Why its not mentioned in any news agencies ? Probably because "Parkland" is much easier to remember and say than "Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School". Anyone paying attention would have seen that is has been mentioned many times, but yes people tend to use something simpler just like we use acronyms so often. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) The term "Assault Rifle" is nothing but a political manipulation. Edited February 21, 2018 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
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