NAFTA negotiations.

[bush_cheney2004]

Looks like Canada's ex-prime minister and political conspirator for the original NAFTA is all butt hurt by President Trump's tinkering and boasting about the new USMCA trade agreement.    He's got books to sell, and of course, just like Trudeau/Freeland, he wants Trump and the United States to keep paying the most to preserve the "post WW2 order". 

"A proof is a proof...."

 

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NAFTA? USMCA? Jean Chrétien doesn’t see much of a difference. And he thinks U.S. President Donald Trump’s crowing over the new deal shows he can’t be taken seriously.

The former prime minister, now 15 years out of office, is bullish on progress: His forthcoming book, My Stories, My Times, includes an upbeat assessment of a world that has grown more peaceful, prosperous and democratic. But Mr. Trump, he said, is damaging America’s reputation, perhaps endangering the long postwar run of peace and prosperity − and the long-term consequences will be big.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-in-a-new-book-former-pm-chretien-takes-aim-at-the-unspeakable-trump/

 

[WestCanMan]

20 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Looks like Canada's ex-prime minister and political conspirator for the original NAFTA is all butt hurt by President Trump's tinkering and boasting about the new USMCA trade agreement.    He's got books to sell, and of course, just like Trudeau/Freeland, he wants Trump and the United States to keep paying the most to preserve the "post WW2 order". 

"A proof is a proof...."

 

 

Trudeau clamped his teeth down onto his negotiating pillow in the 11th hour and signed what Trump told him to sign. Jean Chretien is an idiot.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Trudeau clamped his teeth down onto his negotiating pillow in the 11th hour and signed what Trump told him to sign. Jean Chretien is an idiot.

I don’t think that’s a fair assessment. Chrétien navigated a very difficult recession, kept Canada out of Iraq, and set up important structural budget changes that reduced Canada’s debt.  He had a pretty successful run.  

As for USMCA, I don’t think Trudeau should’ve signed it or that Parliament should ratify it, but I don’t think it was an easy call to make.  It bothers me that Trump can use completing an agreement to his political advantage.  

Edited October 11, 2018 by Zeitgeist

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

...As for USMCA, I don’t think Trudeau should’ve signed it or that Parliament should ratify it, but I don’t think it was an easy call to make.  It bothers me that Trump can use completing an agreement to his political advantage.  

 

It was a Trump campaign promise....NAFTA would not have been renegotiated were it not for Trump's "political" insistence.

Chretien also used NAFTA for political advantage in Canada.

Edited October 11, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

[Army Guy]

On ‎10‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 11:25 PM, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t think that’s a fair assessment. Chrétien navigated a very difficult recession, kept Canada out of Iraq, and set up important structural budget changes that reduced Canada’s debt.  He had a pretty successful run.  

As for USMCA, I don’t think Trudeau should’ve signed it or that Parliament should ratify it, but I don’t think it was an easy call to make.  It bothers me that Trump can use completing an agreement to his political advantage.  

While keeping us out of Iraq, except those 60 Canadian soldiers imbedded with US forces, but on the bright side he did give us Afghanistan and everything that goes with it....and while reducing the debt he also became responsible for the decade of darkness for our military.....cutting everything to the bone, reducing an already small force to a one that can barely defend down town Toronto during a snow storm....he also brought us OKA, in which he ordered the military to bring order to them pesky Indians. when the QPP could not....

 

[bush_cheney2004]

Sweet Jesus...GM to shutter Oshawa plant by end of 2019.   This happened far sooner than I expected....blame Trump !

 

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General Motors is shuttering its plant in Oshawa as part of a restructuring of its global operations to autonomous and zero-emission vehicles, sources say.

Two sources, who were briefed on General Motors’ plan, said the Oshawa plant will be completely closed down. Those sources said Canada isn’t the only country affected by the auto giant’s move to shift its investment to autonomous and zero-emission vehicles.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-general-motors-to-shut-down-oshawa-plant-sources-say/

 

[Michael Hardner]

51 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Sweet Jesus...GM to shutter Oshawa plant by end of 2019.   This happened far sooner than I expected....blame Trump !

Seems to be so.  Are there any other cities with GM operations ?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Canada#Canadian_factories

This says Ingersol and St. Catherines. 

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Seems to be so.  Are there any other cities with GM operations ?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Canada#Canadian_factories

This says Ingersol and St. Catherines. 

 

Kitchner-Waterloo, Markham, Kapuskasing, several parts distribution centers, etc....but Oshawa is (was?)  the mothership.

https://www.gm.ca/en/company/operations.html

[taxme]

On 9/23/2018 at 1:42 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

True for Canada, which is far more dependent on NAFTA.

I just recently listened too Brian on the RightEdition website about one of the reasons why it took the NAFTA talks took take so long. Apparently, our dear prime mistake of ours wanted to have provisions put into the NAFTA agreement where there would be labor rights to protect gay/lesbian/bisexual people. What? I thought that this was about trade and commerce, not about social LGTQB activism? 

What is with this stunned so called dear leader of ours anyway who always appears to be so hung up on sex all the time? While Trump stands in a photo with numerous beautiful women, the kid prances around with homosexuals with pride men dressed in women's clothing and makeup on in gay parades. Instead of looking into ways of cutting taxes and do something constructive for Canada and Canadians for a change the kid plays the fiddle while Canada burns. 

Apparently, 40 republicans are demanding that those demands be removed and have written Trump to have them taken out of the agreement. They have pretty much also demanded that they want to get Canada out of the agreement altogether. They appear to not be all that pleased with the newly signed NAFTA agreement with Canada. Can anyone blame some Americans? 

Trudeau pretty much has said that he will be handing out tax dollars to any business hurt by the NAFTA agreement. More tax dollars put to work in the wrong way again by our political leaders. We have so many marketing boards that help create higher prices and quotas in Canada for the Canadian consumers to have to deal and live with. It stinks big time.   

[GostHacked]

On 10/6/2018 at 11:07 PM, Zeitgeist said:

Actually the development patterns of the future, I believe, will look a lot like the utopian Victorian village, for example Soltaire in England, where there will be workplaces, retail, commercial uses, housing, and usable greenspace (instead of no-man's lands) in close proximity.  This is the idea behind New Urbanism.  .

This is part of the UN Agenda 21 mandate and this is happening globally to pack and stack people into a small area where they work and live. Almost sounds like some socialism/communism type ideologies. This is not a new idea as this has been creeping in over the past 20 years.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

This is part of the UN Agenda 21 mandate and this is happening globally to pack and stack people into a small area where they work and live. Almost sounds like some socialism/communism type ideologies. This is not a new idea as this has been creeping in over the past 20 years.

New Urbanism isn't about stacking people in bleak Le Corbusier-inspired towers.  It's about creating the walkable village where workplaces and amenities are close by.  Look at places like Celebration, Florida or Cornell in Markham for examples.  It's anti-sprawl, more environmentally sustainable, and provides enhancements over more traditional suburbs.  For example, you tend to get water catchment basins that are made to resemble lakes with look-out gazebos, walking trails, that kind of thing.  If anything, we have to make sure they don't just become luxury housing for the rich, so that a variety of demographics can live there: different ages, family types, income levels, etc.

[GostHacked]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

New Urbanism isn't about stacking people in bleak Le Corbusier-inspired towers.  It's about creating the walkable village where workplaces and amenities are close by.  Look at places like Celebration, Florida or Cornell in Markham for examples.  It's anti-sprawl, more environmentally sustainable, and provides enhancements over more traditional suburbs.  For example, you tend to get water catchment basins that are made to resemble lakes with look-out gazebos, walking trails, that kind of thing.  If anything, we have to make sure they don't just become luxury housing for the rich, so that a variety of demographics can live there: different ages, family types, income levels, etc.

Yes this is the UN Agenda 21 stack and pack em approach.

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Yes this is the UN Agenda 21 stack and pack em approach.

Please stop with the anti-globalist paranoia.  I know you don't mean to add to the problem, but it's causing huge problems for the world right now.  Land use planning is as important as fighting climate change, addressing labour problems, and dealing with human rights.  These things are often connected, but we are in a place where inaction or downright neglect is being promoted.  There are very serious long-term consequences for such neglect.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

... There are very serious long-term consequences for such neglect.

 

There are bigger long term consequences caused by unfettered globalism.

[Zeitgeist]

8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

There are bigger long term consequences caused by unfettered globalism.

Unfettered anything is bad news.  We do need global policies, but not as some strong world government.  It's about preventing abuses.

[taxme]

On 11/26/2018 at 8:32 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Unfettered anything is bad news.  We do need global policies, but not as some strong world government.  It's about preventing abuses.

The bigger globalism and government get the worse every thing will get. It's common sense and logic. Before globalism and big government and massive immigration in Canada came along in the last several decades Canada and Canadians were doing just fine. Now we are seeing everything going for a chit. Globalism and more government is bad news for all Canadians. The bigger the government the more abuse that government will heap on we the people. Hello. 

[taxme]

On 11/26/2018 at 8:20 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Please stop with the anti-globalist paranoia.  I know you don't mean to add to the problem, but it's causing huge problems for the world right now.  Land use planning is as important as fighting climate change, addressing labour problems, and dealing with human rights.  These things are often connected, but we are in a place where inaction or downright neglect is being promoted.  There are very serious long-term consequences for such neglect.

On the contrary, globalism and big government needs to be debated and discussed every day until they both are defeated. There is more poverty and hunger in the world thanks to globalism and big government. There are and will be even more serious long term consequences if we the people keep on allowing the corporate globalists elite to run and rule and ruin the world. Just saying. 

[taxme]

On 11/26/2018 at 8:10 AM, GostHacked said:

Yes this is the UN Agenda 21 stack and pack em approach.

I wonder as to how many members here have bothered to look up on the internet about what the UN Agenda 21 program and agenda is all about? Maybe three perhaps? You/me and one other member?  

[GostHacked]

On 11/25/2018 at 9:31 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Sweet Jesus...GM to shutter Oshawa plant by end of 2019.   This happened far sooner than I expected....blame Trump !

And giving him a reason to ,......

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trump-gm-electric-cars-1.4922802

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U.S. President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he was "very disappointed" that General Motors was closing plants in the United States and warned that the White House was "now looking at cutting all GM subsidies," including for its electric cars program.

Trump unleashed on Twitter a day after GM announced it would shutter five plants and slash 14,000 jobs in North America, with many of the job cuts coming from the U.S.Midwest, where the president has promised a manufacturing rebirth.

Yep. If you cut jobs, we will punish you by cutting MORE jobs.  That should make America 'something' again.

[GostHacked]

4 hours ago, taxme said:

I wonder as to how many members here have bothered to look up on the internet about what the UN Agenda 21 program and agenda is all about? Maybe three perhaps? You/me and one other member?  

Possibly because as I walk around, I don't look at my phone. I see what's going on. Downtown has seen a huge rise in large condo towers. Each major stop along the delayed LRT system has large condo stack n pack em units going up very close by. And now those centers are seeing more mixed retail/residential.  The notion I keep hearing that scares me is the quality of life is being replaced by the quality of place. Plenty of town council meetings online getting berated from concerned citizens that are confronting their questionable moves , most not even approved by the majority of the residents.

Freehold units are a thing of the past and you will always need to be paying some 'fee' to 'own' a stupid condo unit. Where a corp calls the shots in what you can do in your own home. The example of banning smoking in your own home or apartment is one of them. I rent a condo, and no way would I ever really want to own one. The new doors put in last year, everyone had to agree on a style so everything looks the same. 

Ugh, I guess that's a bit far off the NAFTA topic.

[GostHacked]

On 11/26/2018 at 11:32 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Unfettered anything is bad news.  We do need global policies, but not as some strong world government.  It's about preventing abuses.

Some of the UN's global policies are creating strong regional governments.

[taxme]

On ‎11‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 6:35 PM, GostHacked said:

Some of the UN's global policies are creating strong regional governments.

The UN is and has for several decades now done nothing but create chaos and havoc that has to do with just about everything in our daily lives. The UN has not made the world any better to live in. The UN has pretty much destroyed all the western countries in the world. Sometimes I wished that those hijackers had missed their twin tower targets in New York and hit the UN building instead. Just my opinion. All governments of all levels are becoming to powerful for the people to try and deal with. Governments are just getting too big for their britches. 

[eyeball]

On 11/26/2018 at 8:23 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

There are bigger long term consequences caused by unfettered globalism.

Lol... Typical commie flakiness.

[Rue]

On 11/25/2018 at 9:31 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Sweet Jesus...GM to shutter Oshawa plant by end of 2019.   This happened far sooner than I expected....blame Trump !

 

 

I blame GM transmissions that crack at 150 k's and crap service and auto parts.

[Rue]

On 12/2/2018 at 4:40 PM, eyeball said:

Lol... Typical commie flakiness.

I defer to your expertise comrade.