NAFTA negotiations.

[Rue]

This is not a lefty righty issue. Its an issue as to whether you want government or large corporations to run your life. Either way has problems if the insitution is too large, is unaccountable and has too much control over our lives.

Edited December 4, 2018 by Rue

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

I defer to your expertise comrade.

Well, when you've been called one all your life for saying similar things.

Perhaps we're coming around the full ideological circle and right wingers just aren't as keen to embrace the horror. Too late now I think.

[taxme]

On 12/2/2018 at 1:40 PM, eyeball said:

Lol... Typical commie flakiness.

Lol. Globalism is somewhat like communism. The globalist say and you have to do. Get it?  

[taxme]

3 hours ago, Rue said:

I blame GM transmissions that crack at 150 k's and crap service and auto parts.

Probably from buying too many auto parts made in China or Mexico. Lol.  

[taxme]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Well, when you've been called one all your life for saying similar things.

Perhaps we're coming around the full ideological circle and right wingers just aren't as keen to embrace the horror. Too late now I think.

If we left everything up to the liberal lefty socialist/communists of the world there would be no jobs left anymore. Well maybe government ones only. It was the right wingers that built up the world and not a bunch of leftist communists who only know as to how to destroy everything. Geez, that sure sounds like the prime mistake of Canada who prefers to destroy jobs rather than helping and trying to create new jobs. 

[Rue]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Well, when you've been called one all your life for saying similar things.

Perhaps we're coming around the full ideological circle and right wingers just aren't as keen to embrace the horror. Too late now I think.

I think all kidding aside we have gone that full circle and I have always argued as we call have I guess, that the extremes become become one and the same. Illuminati, Communist Party of China, whoever it is controlling us I wonder if it's too late. I say this and call me naive, I think the silent guy toiling out there overwhelmed by elites is capable of starting a revolution. It starts a with one act of kindness. It has as powerful an impact as any act of greed.Don't believe me just watch. 

Edited December 4, 2018 by Rue

[GostHacked]

On 11/26/2018 at 11:20 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Please stop with the anti-globalist paranoia.  I know you don't mean to add to the problem, but it's causing huge problems for the world right now.  Land use planning is as important as fighting climate change, addressing labour problems, and dealing with human rights.  These things are often connected, but we are in a place where inaction or downright neglect is being promoted.  There are very serious long-term consequences for such neglect.

It's not being anti-globalist. It's not putting up with world governing bodies to come into my neighborhood and tell us how to live. BUT since most westernized nations and even many that are not, are going through the SAME scenario.  Different terms used for different regions, to keep people confused, but the overall scope and process is exactly the same.

For example. In Ottawa several developers are in trouble. The way they are in trouble is that an area is approved for a certain structure. Meaning the tower was only going to be 20 storeys. We find after the plan has been approved that things start changing and then we find out that a 40 storey building will be put up. That's not what was agreed to.

Condo units are part of this control as well. Meaning you cannot even own land really. You have to pay a corporation to do certain things. And that condo board will restrict you from doing certain things to your home, and to the point where they can control what you DO in your own home. I'll use the banning of smoking by condo corps as a perfect example of that. And that is even when you 'own' the condo unit and then pay taxes AND condo fees for the duration of occupancy.

NONE of this is about climate change, labour problems or human rights. It is about absolute control over your life. This is global socialism which I am 100% against.  I'll make the caveat that there are some socialistic ideals I support (aka universal health care) because there are clear advantages of some of those ideals. Everything else is under the guise of control over your daily life. Where you live, where you work, HOW you live and HOW you work, how you travel, how you play and socialize. New developments are also heavy on 'smart' citiy concepts where high tech intelligent lampposts monitor and track you via camera, how your cell phone hops from tower to tower. And in many cases now , recorded audio.  Now recorded audio is nothing new and has been in place for some time.  Police can use sounds from certain mics to determine the location of gunfire for example.  With a lot of this tech, you are monitored 10 different ways without you really being aware of it.

IF climate change was a real issue for 'the powers that be' they'd be leading by example. That's not happening. They lead by forcing this on the rest of us while they won't change their lifestyles one bit. This scenario is playing out the exactly same way in many nations. So at that point you have to wonder if this stuff is really grass roots from local groups. or nothing more than global tyranny imposed on all of us collectively at the same time. 

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20 hours ago, Rue said:

I think all kidding aside we have gone that full circle and I have always argued as we call have I guess, that the extremes become become one and the same. Illuminati, Communist Party of China, whoever it is controlling us I wonder if it's too late. I say this and call me naive, I think the silent guy toiling out there overwhelmed by elites is capable of starting a revolution. It starts a with one act of kindness. It has as powerful an impact as any act of greed.Don't believe me just watch. 

This is the line of thinking I am in. No matter what you call them, it is rich elites around the world that want to control us. While giving us the guise of nation states to thing we are special and different.  And it may not be too late, but the water is way hot now, and the frogs are starting to notice it.

[turningrite]

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

This is the line of thinking I am in. No matter what you call them, it is rich elites around the world that want to control us. While giving us the guise of nation states to thing we are special and different.  And it may not be too late, but the water is way hot now, and the frogs are starting to notice it.

Most people won't realize what is happening until it's far too late to correct course. We have an inarticulate empty suit as PM who simply serves the interests of corporate globalism. How could things possible go wrong? Too few seem to understand the risks and even fewer seem willing to contemplate the answers they'd get if they objectively considered the implications of the globalist agenda. At least Trump, as erratic and inconsistent as he can be at times, seems willing to stand up for his own people.

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, turningrite said:

Most people won't realize what is happening until it's far too late to correct course. We have an inarticulate empty suit as PM who simply serves the interests of corporate globalism. How could things possible go wrong? Too few seem to understand the risks and even fewer seem willing to contemplate the answers they'd get if they objectively considered the implications of the globalist agenda. At least Trump, as erratic and inconsistent as he can be at times, seems willing to stand up for his own people.

I've been a 'canary in the coal mine' in some sense. I saw a lot of this coming, most did not, this is why we are in these strange times and now people that once called me a 'tin foil hat nutter' are now coming out with the same things I pointed out over a decade ago.

It's called being observant, and some of the subtleties are hard to follow, but there is enough that is blatant that would raise red flags for most people.   I am going to chalk that up to severe apathy and the constant distraction and self absorbed narcissism with an online presence where the dopamine feedback look takes you farther down that terrible path distracting you more and more from the truth. Social media is playing a huge part in that, like how Facebook easily manipulates people and they have disclosed this 100% with the methods they use. 

That all makes it harder to discern the truth. It's all muddy.  Compare the micro to the macro, and then you understand the macro is what one needs to pay attention to.

Trump is not standing for anything. Trump is the result of apathy , terrible candidates and a broken electoral process that is corrupted by greed. Because most did not pay attention for the past 20 years, the result is Trump. And to an extent in Canada, Trudeau who end up pissing off a good deal of this nation.  Scale that down to Ontario with how we got Rob Ford instead of .. a good candidate.  We can blame ourselves for putting up with it for so long.

Queue the Howard Beale rant..... give me my steel belted radials, my toaster oven and TV and leave me alone. Well, I'm not going to leave you alone. I want you to get mad. .... 

 

[eyeball]

The best thing about schadenfreude and vindication is how it numbs my own pain  by making the political angst others feel seem funny.

Is that sick or what? I know I shouldn't give into it but what the hell...

LOL

Edited December 6, 2018 by eyeball

[turningrite]

7 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Trump is not standing for anything. Trump is the result of apathy , terrible candidates and a broken electoral process that is corrupted by greed. Because most did not pay attention for the past 20 years, the result is Trump. And to an extent in Canada, Trudeau who end up pissing off a good deal of this nation.  Scale that down to Ontario with how we got Rob Ford instead of .. a good candidate.  We can blame ourselves for putting up with it for so long.

 

Trump is a product of the failure of the political elites in his country to acknowledge and consider the implications of the policies they've put in place over the past three decades, which have served to harm large segments of the population. Politics, like nature, abhors a vacuum and Trump was able to sense discontent and occupy the leadership void. Trump's temperament and policies are erratic and it remains to be seen whether he can overhaul the global trading system, which in and of itself is a laudable goal. At least he seems to realize that the current economic paradigm isn't sustainable. I'm not sure what to say about Doug Ford? I don't think he has the intellectual depth to understand the forces driving public discontent. He ran without an actual platform and won an election where voters reacted with revulsion to a deservedly unpopular Lib government (much of the inspiration for which is now sitting at the Lib PM's side in Ottawa). Ford apparently thinks Ontario voters were actually voting for him when in fact he was in large measure a convenient beneficiary of public discontent. Any other PC leader would likely have won a majority. Ford's 'Government for the People' slogan is quickly emerging as a euphemism for something quite different. I'd like to think Ford is basically harmless but this might be wishful thinking.