The Battle of Charlottesville

Boges · August 18, 2017

10 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

I think what he actually said was that not everybody who was protesting removal of the statue was a Nazi or KKK.

And I think the popular opinions is that you are the company you keep. I don't think any respectful person would have themselves seen in public with the KKK or Nazis.

These Quebecers will probably lose their job for attending the rally.

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/at-least-two-quebecers-who-attended-white-supremacist-rally-in-charlottesville-identified/article36021600/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

Faith Goldy from the Rebel has been fired for being there too.

Like most things, this is a circular debate, but even if you were peacefully protesting the removal of the statue, you should have distanced yourself from that protest if it got taken over by the Nazis. I'm pretty sure that's the standard we would place on peaceful protesters, on the left, when its being taken over by people using anarchist/black bloc tactics. And even that, isn't remotely as bad as hanging with Nazis.

Edited August 18, 2017 by Boges

Wilber · August 18, 2017

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

Well....mostly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIp_8RNNX4k

Today, no one can claim ignorance of what Nazis are really about.

Hal 9000 · August 18, 2017

...I don't think anybody is. You see, we all know what they're about, that's not and has never been this issue. Their belief system has not been defended here. What i'm seeing is questions as to why the police stood down when Antifa showed up and why the defence (or denial) about Antifa's/BLM's motives for the day. The only defence I have seen is the defence of the right to free speech and assembly - even though it may distasteful speech and the questioning of lynch mob justice in the face of free speech.

NOBODY THAT I'VE SEEN, ESPECIALLY ME, ARE DEFENDING THE WHITE NATIONALISTS AGENDA

betsy · August 18, 2017

18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The leader has an obligation to unify.

Then Obama failed miserably! He gets a big.....

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Edited August 18, 2017 by betsy

bush_cheney2004 · August 18, 2017

3 hours ago, Boges said:

OK fine. That's probably close to my position too. But I'm not going to ever compare a group to a Nazis or stand up for them.

That's why Americans have a constitution and free speech/assembly rights.

"Nazis" also have the ACLU to stand up for them.

Edited August 18, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

taxme · August 18, 2017

50 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Today, no one can claim ignorance of what Nazis are really about.

Today, no one can claim ignorance of what the alt-left fascists thugs are all about either. They are the fascists of today, not the white nationalists. Those fascists are trying to tear down America. They are trying to tear down statues that offend them. Poor babies. That statue hurts my feelings and offends me. Boo-hoo.

taxme · August 18, 2017

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

That's why Americans have a constitution and free speech/assembly rights.

They also have the ACLU to stand up for them.

What's next? There is talk that they now want to go after statues and monuments of Washington and Jefferson because they were once slave owners. Your country is being destroyed from within by these Soros alt-left fascists scum. After that, maybe then the constitution. Hey, you never know.

taxme · August 18, 2017

7 minutes ago, betsy said:

Then Obama failed miserably! He gets a big.....

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A big F is what Obama gets.

Boges · August 18, 2017

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

That's why Americans have a constitution and free speech/assembly rights.

"Nazis" also have the ACLU to stand up for them.

Yep and Americans have the right to go and protest Neo-Nazis.

And Americans have the right to disassociate themselves with Trump because of what he said about the counter-protestors and saying some of the people associating with Neo Nazis were "Fine People".

Edited August 18, 2017 by Boges

betsy · August 18, 2017

5 minutes ago, taxme said:

A big F is what Obama gets.

Will fix that.

Boges · August 18, 2017

10 minutes ago, taxme said:

What's next? There is talk that they now want to go after statues and monuments of Washington and Jefferson because they were once slave owners. Your country is being destroyed from within by these Soros alt-left fascists scum. After that, maybe then the constitution. Hey, you never know.

Didn't Trump say that they should go after Washington and Jefferson first?

Those guys won their war though.

I thought Trump wouldn't support losers who can't win a war.

bush_cheney2004 · August 18, 2017

8 minutes ago, Boges said:

Yep and Americans have the right to go and protest Neo-Nazis.

And Americans have the right to disassociate themselves

Agreed...hence they do not need you to "stand up" for them.

Boges · August 18, 2017

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Agreed...hence they do not need you to "stand up" for them.

The First Amendment does not allow for running people over because you're ruining their protest however. Which is why this is news.

taxme · August 18, 2017

2 hours ago, Boges said:

And I think the popular opinions is that you are the company you keep. I don't think any respectful person would have themselves seen in public with the KKK or Nazis.

These Quebecers will probably lose their job for attending the rally.

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/at-least-two-quebecers-who-attended-white-supremacist-rally-in-charlottesville-identified/article36021600/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

Faith Goldy from the Rebel has been fired for being there too.

Like most things, this is a circular debate, but even if you were peacefully protesting the removal of the statue, you should have distanced yourself from that protest if it got taken over by the Nazis. I'm pretty sure that's the standard we would place on peaceful protesters, on the left, when its being taken over by people using anarchist/black bloc tactics. And even that, isn't remotely as bad as hanging with Nazis.

Indeed. If one is going to keep company with left wing fascists thugs than they are not much better than those who keep company with the KKK. It works both ways.

It is getting really bad when people that attend rallies can get fired for being seen there. Whatever happened to the right to freedom of speak and assembly? I guess that would make anybody attending a gay pride parade gay I also, right? Just saying.

Faith Goldy fired for being there? I find that incredible. Has The Rebel now become a censorship outfit where if one of their people attends a politically incorrect rally to report on it they will now get fired? This racism and hate nonsense is getting out of hand and it would appear as though it is being used today to shut down peaceful protesters like white nationalists. I wonder how the left wing alt-left fascists thugs would feel if they were not allowed to protest, and whom would get fired for just being there? These fascists idiots are cutting their own throats. But most white people are like that, just plain fools. If white nationalists cannot demonstrate peacefully, then the fascist alt-left should not be allowed to demonstrate peacefully either. It has to work both ways.

bush_cheney2004 · August 18, 2017

Just now, Boges said:

The First Amendment does not allow for running people over because you're ruining their protest however. Which is why this is news.

Really ? Is that why the perp was promptly arrested and charged ?

His actions do not extinguish the rights of Americans to peacefully protest as "Nazis".

Boges · August 18, 2017

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Really ? Is that why the perp was promptly arrested and charged ?

His actions do not extinguish the rights of Americans to peacefully protest as "Nazis".

And people have the right to disassociate themselves with people that have no problem with people protesting as "Nazis".

Boges · August 18, 2017

6 minutes ago, taxme said:

Indeed. If one is going to keep company with left wing fascists thugs than they are not much better than those who keep company with the KKK. It works both ways.

It is getting really bad when people that attend rallies can get fired for being seen there. Whatever happened to the right to freedom of speak and assembly? I guess that would make anybody attending a gay pride parade gay I also, right? Just saying.

Faith Goldy fired for being there? I find that incredible. Has The Rebel now become a censorship outfit where if one of their people attends a politically incorrect rally to report on it they will now get fired? This racism and hate nonsense is getting out of hand and it would appear as though it is being used today to shut down peaceful protesters like white nationalists. I wonder how the left wing alt-left fascists thugs would feel if they were not allowed to protest, and whom would get fired for just being there? These fascists idiots are cutting their own throats. But most white people are like that, just plain fools. If white nationalists cannot demonstrate peacefully, then the fascist alt-left should not be allowed to demonstrate peacefully either. It has to work both ways.

That's the thing about Free Speech.

You have the right to do things but if people don't like the things you do, they have the right to disassociate themselves with you.

Ezra Levant is losing contributing writers by the handful because Faith Goldy was there associating herself with Nazis.

Edited August 18, 2017 by Boges

bush_cheney2004 · August 18, 2017

Just now, Boges said:

And people have the right to disassociate themselves with people that have no problem with people protesting as "Nazis".

Then put me on ignore if it makes you feel better.

American rights don't depend on your fickle preferences.

taxme · August 18, 2017

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

Didn't Trump say that they should go after Washington and Jefferson first?

Those guys won their war though.

I thought Trump wouldn't support losers who can't win a war.

1. Now that would really be something stupid for Trump to say. I can't believe that.

2. And if the fascists get their way, they will have now won the war. The fascists win, and we all lose.

3.Trump is caught between a rock and a hard place. I am pretty sure that Trump despises those fascists, but he has to make it appear as though he also loves those f'n creeps.

Boges · August 18, 2017

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Then put me on ignore if it makes you feel better.

American rights don't depend on your fickle preferences.

Did I threaten to do that?

And it's not just my fickle preferences. Look at all the people jumping ship on association with this Administration. Free Speech right?

bush_cheney2004 · August 18, 2017

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

Did I threaten to do that?

And it's not just my fickle preferences. Look at all the people jumping ship on association with this Administration. Free Speech right?

Again, it doesn't matter what you do for or against me or the "Nazis"

The rights of those with the most repugnant views are the ones that require the most protection.

This concept is not new and pre-dates snowflake drama by many decades in American politics and social conflict.

"Nazis"...Jews...Skokie...1977.

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In fact, many of the laws the ACLU cited to defend the group's right to free speech and assembly were the same laws it had invoked during the Civil Rights era, when Southern cities tried to shut down civil rights marches with similar claims about the violence and disruption the protests would cause.

Edited August 18, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

taxme · August 18, 2017

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

That's the thing about Free Speech.

You have the right to do things but if people don't like the things you do, they have the right to disassociate themselves with you.

Ezra Levant is losing contributing writers by the handful because Faith Goldy was there associating herself with Nazis.

1.So, why are the white peaceful nationalists not being allowed to demonstrate in peace and standing up for their right to freedom of speech and asembly without a bunch of left wing thug fascists showing up and trying to create all kinds of havoc and chaos? They should not have shown up instead but started up their own little parade somewhere else? Would they have liked it if a bunch of KKK members showed up and started throwing things at them, and started hitting them with bats? NO.

2. Everyone wants to blame the white nationalists for all of this but in fact it was the fascists that started this fiasco. You appear as though the fascists are the good guys here? Why?

3.Faith Goldy had a right to be there. I am pretty sure that CBC, CTV and Global had reporters there also because this event was shown on their TV stations. So, should some of their reporters be fired also? Answer me that question?

If Ezra did fire Goldy then I am pretty much done with that outfit. The white people have pretty much become nothing more than a bunch of politically correct cowards and zombies. And because of their cowardice we see today what is happening to anyone who just says that they are proud of being white? They are demonized and called racists and Nazi's.

Sometimes I have to wonder as to why I even want bother to call myself a white activist anymore. It is starting to truly look like an exercise in futility. Maybe I should instead join the many jewish professors and Islam Imams who have called for the genocide of white people. I might as well be on the winning side. That way I won't have to worry about being labelled nasty names but may end up being loved by all. Something to think about.

Omni · August 18, 2017

1 hour ago, betsy said:

Then Obama failed miserably! He gets a big.....

F

Obama failed miserably? Have you seen anything even remotely resembling UNITY in the current white house? And yet another firing out of there just today.

taxme · August 18, 2017

15 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Again, it doesn't matter what you do for or against me or the "Nazis"

The rights of those with the most repugnant views are the ones that require the most protection.

This concept is not new and pre-dates snowflake drama by many decades in American politics and social conflict.

"Nazis"...Jews...Skokie...1977.

Get ready for the next American revolution which appears to have begun. It is coming and there will then be only one winner after it is all over. Either it will be the white nationalists freedom loving patriotic people who will win and make America great again or it will be the fascists/communists alt- left who win and destroy America and which should then end up making America a country controlled by communists and fascists and end an America as we all once knew it. Canada is already a fascist controlled country, and is pretty much finished as a free nation. It would appear as though this is all going to be dealt with very soon because both sides now are at war. It has just now been declared yet. Get out the popcorn and get ready for the action.

taxme · August 18, 2017

1 minute ago, Omni said:

Obama failed miserably? Have you seen anything even remotely resembling UNITY in the current white house? And yet another firing out of there just today.

Th fascist liberal left wing moles are everywhere. Trump is trying to get rid of anti-American scum like McCain. They are all over Washington. Trump is having a tough time trying to drain the swamp because the globalist elite who hate Trump who want him out of there. Trump is upsetting their big monopoly orange juice stand. Even some people in his own party want him gone. Trump can't seem to find enough true American conservative patriots anymore to serve in his cabinet who want to make America great again. They all appear to want to destroy America. Obama didn't fail miserably. On the contrary he is the one that now is responsible for starting America on the road to ruin. If Trump can't clean the mess up in Washington than it's all over for America. I find it sad to see our neighbour having to go thru what is going on in America. We can all thank the Soros globalist elites for all of it. Sadly, everyone is listening to that ilk.