DogOnPorch Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Iconoclasm can always be justified by the barbarians doing the smashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 25 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Iconoclasm can always be justified by the barbarians doing the smashing. And should be by the barbarians who did the original creating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Omni said: And should be by the barbarians who did the original creating. All the cool kids are doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 14 hours ago, Argus said: You said no one could be ignorant about what Nazis are. The point is, prior to 1933 the Nazis could be rationalized because they had never held power. Now, there is no excuse for rationalizing them because they are a known entity with a ghastly record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wilber said: The point is, prior to 1933 the Nazis could be rationalized because they had never held power. Now, there is no excuse for rationalizing them because they are a known entity with a ghastly record. Perhaps there's a spot we could put all those types of people and they could protest their supremacist rear-ends off. A way to concentrate them all into one place. A camp, perhaps. Edited August 19, 2017 by DogOnPorch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 26 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Perhaps there's a spot we could put all those types of people and they could protest their supremacist rear-ends off. A way to concentrate them all into one place. A camp, perhaps. That's their shtick. We were discussing why Trump's so called "fine people" would march with nazis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wilber said: The point is, prior to 1933 the Nazis could be rationalized because they had never held power. Now, there is no excuse for rationalizing them because they are a known entity with a ghastly record. So are communists and marxists. Yet we have many people who believe in those utterly failed and discredited ideologies. I believe I read once that 20% of the NDP were members of the so-called Socialist Caucus - a name chose to as to disguise that it's actually the Marxist caucus. Edited August 19, 2017 by Argus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Just now, Wilber said: That's their shtick. We were discussing why Trump's so called "fine people" would march with nazis. Because tens of thousands Americans fought and died at Gettysburg and on similar battlefields would be my guess. Not Nazis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Argus said: So are communists and marxists. Yet we have many people who believe in those utterly failed and discredited ideologies. I believe I read once that 20% of the NDP were members of the so-called Socialist Caucus - a name chose to as to disguise that it's actually the Marxist caucus. So? Even if you don't like what they stand for, as we were all told as children," two wrongs don't make a right". Considering all the moral equivalency we are seeing, that never sunk in for a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Because tens of thousands Americans fought and died at Gettysburg and on similar battlefields would be my guess. Not Nazis. There are lots of Confederate monuments at the Gettysburg battlefield and they aren't going anywhere. Places like that is where they should be, not in city parks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Because tens of thousands Americans fought and died at Gettysburg and on similar battlefields would be my guess. Not Nazis. The Americans aren't much different than the Nazis or the nazis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Wilber said: So? Even if you don't like what they stand for, as we were all told as children," two wrongs don't make a right". Considering all the moral equivalency we are seeing, that never sunk in for a lot of people. And yet the people who are proud members of the NDP and wouldn't think of saying anything nasty to their communist and Marxist members are on the front lines in condemning Nazis. They are also, strangely enough on the front line when it comes to defending Islamic extremist beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Just now, Wilber said: There are lots of Confederate monuments at the Gettysburg battlefield and they aren't going anywhere. Places like that is where they should be, not in city parks. Think again. Civil War Trust and similar non-profit groups are fighting like the Devil to preserve America's Civil War heritage from destruction not only from Father Time and anxious SJWs but eager developers who see $$$ in having houses on or right next to battlefields. Bull Run/Manassas being a good archetype of the destruction being visited upon these once hallowed grounds. The so-called park is but a small chunk of the actual battlefield. The rest is paved over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, Argus said: And yet the people who are proud members of the NDP and wouldn't think of saying anything nasty to their communist and Marxist members are on the front lines in condemning Nazis. They are also, strangely enough on the front line when it comes to defending Islamic extremist beliefs. You say this as if there is something bad about communism, Argus, defender of the "right". Vietnam, China, many Israeli kibbutzes are communist. You say nothing about US extremist beliefs and actions. How extremist is it to plan a genocide that will take the lives of a couple of million Iraqis and then illegally invade their country and murder more millions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Looks like they could be setting up for another battle in Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The so-called park is but a small chunk of the actual battlefield. The rest is paved over. That's the American way, which you deeply respect and love, including the genocides, the holocausts, the baby killing, the shaking and baking of innocents, Now all of a sudden you get all moral about development?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, Argus said: And yet the people who are proud members of the NDP and wouldn't think of saying anything nasty to their communist and Marxist members are on the front lines in condemning Nazis. So why are you, here, attempting to defend Nazis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 1 minute ago, hot enough said: That's the American way, which you deeply respect and love, including the genocides, the holocausts, the baby killing, the shaking and baking of innocents, Now all of a sudden you get all moral about development?? Says the guy from the country responsible for the Armenian Genocide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Think again. Civil War Trust and similar non-profit groups are fighting like the Devil to preserve America's Civil War heritage from destruction not only from Father Time and anxious SJWs but eager developers who see $$$ in having houses on or right next to battlefields. Bull Run/Manassas being a good archetype of the destruction being visited upon these once hallowed grounds. The so-called park is but a small chunk of the actual battlefield. The rest is paved over. I think this is a problem for anyone trying to preserve historical sites. No doubt Trump would be one of those developers if he saw enough money in it. River of Blood Edited August 19, 2017 by Wilber Addition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Says the guy from the country responsible for the Armenian Genocide. Reality means nothing at all to you, dop. That is just so Conservative/conservative of you. Edited August 19, 2017 by hot enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Just now, Wilber said: No doubt Trump would be one of those developers if he saw enough money in it. River of Blood I think anybody could push a button giving them millions if the consequences do not have to be observed. Greed is a human quality not unique to America's rich white men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 12 minutes ago, Wilber said: No doubt Trump would be one of those developers if he saw enough money in it. River of Blood You seem to be coming, somewhat at least, to your senses, Wilber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: I think anybody could push a button giving them millions if the consequences do not have to be observed. Greed is a human quality not unique to America's rich white men. Murdering tens of millions is not the equivalent of "pushing a button". It's unique to scum the world over and it just so happens that it is a very American/UK thing, mostly because of their power. Edited August 19, 2017 by hot enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 16 minutes ago, hot enough said: The Americans aren't much different than the Nazis or the nazis. Complete hyperbole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: I think anybody could push a button giving them millions if the consequences do not have to be observed. Greed is a human quality not unique to America's rich white men. That's pretty cynical and I don't think it is true of many people, some of them American rich white men 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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