The truth about Saudi-backed traitors Harper and Trudeau!

Moonlight Graham · May 3, 2017

The only solution I see right now to fix the disaster that is SA and the middle-east is to find to a cheap alternate power-source to fuel our vehicles that isn't oil.

kimmy · May 3, 2017

43 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The only solution I see right now to fix the disaster that is SA and the middle-east is to find to a cheap alternate power-source to fuel our vehicles that isn't oil.

Isn't there a glut of oil right now? Why do we have to pretend we're friends with the Saudi scumbags when oil is so plentiful?

-k

Moonlight Graham · May 3, 2017

37 minutes ago, kimmy said:

Isn't there a glut of oil right now? Why do we have to pretend we're friends with the Saudi scumbags when oil is so plentiful?

-k

The Saudis and Iranians are the reason for the current glut. OPEC has a ton of control on the global price of oil based on their output, and who they share it with, and SA is the leading producer of oil within OPEC in the ME, the Saudis have more than double the production & almost twice the proven reserves of any other ME country. OPEC put an embargo on Canada, the US and others in 1973 for political reasons and it dove-tailed our economy (along with the preceding monetary/market crisis). OPEC rose the price of oil to over $5 a barrel, an increase of 70%. The US has made sure that would never happen again.

ME oil makes the US and western countries A TON of money. The US and others have been selling ME/OPEC countries like SA a ton of military weapons since the 1970's with the money ME OPEC countries have made from oil. A politically unstable ME is actually great business for the west (as long as SA is friendly & stable), it keeps ME countries with the need to be highly armed.

Amazing when you look at a map of the ME that Saudi Arabia is one of the only major countries that has remained highly stable politically and has virtually avoided war through the decades. Virtually every other country has been a shit-show. No doubt the SA regime has major US backing at all costs & SA can maintain a tight grip inside it's own country with arms & turning a blind eye to abuses, which in turn helped inspire Bin Laden & the 15 Saudi 9/11 hijackers etc to attack. The US has made sure the 1979 Iranian Revolution would never happen in SA, which it hasn't, but a Wahabi revolution has instead targeted the US/West largely outside SA. Both Shia (1979 Iran) & Sunni revolutionaries (al-Qaeda, ISIS) have gone to war with the US for their internal meddling, based out of the 3 highest oil producing countries in the ME (SA, Iran, Iraq). Coincidence?

blackbird · May 3, 2017

5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The Saudis and Iranians are the reason for the current glut. OPEC has a ton of control on the global price of oil based on their output, and who they share it with, and SA is the leading producer of oil within OPEC in the ME, the Saudis have more than double the production & almost twice the proven reserves of any other ME country. OPEC put an embargo on Canada, the US and others in 1973 for political reasons and it dove-tailed our economy (along with the preceding monetary/market crisis). OPEC rose the price of oil to over $5 a barrel, an increase of 70%. The US has made sure that would never happen again.

ME oil makes the US and western countries A TON of money. The US and others have been selling ME/OPEC countries like SA a ton of military weapons since the 1970's with the money ME OPEC countries have made from oil. A politically unstable ME is actually great business for the west (as long as SA is friendly & stable), it keeps ME countries with the need to be highly armed.

Amazing when you look at a map of the ME that Saudi Arabia is one of the only major countries that has remained highly stable politically and has virtually avoided war through the decades. Virtually every other country has been a shit-show. No doubt the SAI regime has major US backing at all costs & SA can maintain a tight grip inside it's own country with arms & turning a blind eye to abuses, which in turn helped inspire Bin Laden & the 15 Saudi 9/11 hijackers etc to attack. The US has made sure the 1979 Iranian Revolution would never happen in SA, which it hasn't, but a Wahabi revolution has instead targeted the US/West largely outside SA. Both Shia (1979 Iran) & Sunni revolutionaries (al-Qaeda, ISIS) have gone to war with the US for their internal meddling, based out of the 3 highest oil producing countries in the ME (SA, Iran, Iraq). Coincidence?

If eastern Canada (Ontario, Quebec, and the maritimes would stop importing and using Saudi conflict oil and start using Alberta oil instead, it would be a lot better. Eastern Canada spends hundreds of millions of dollars on Saudi oil as Ezra Levant has been pointing out for a long time. He wrote a book on it.

SpankyMcFarland · May 3, 2017

Christians are a tiny minority in Iraq and Syria and were treated well by the dictators there. Thus we should not rely on them for a representative view of these countries.

GritBusters · May 3, 2017

56 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Christians are a tiny minority in Iraq and Syria and were treated well by the dictators there. Thus we should not rely on them for a representative view of these countries.

The mistreatment of Christians and of people from the "wrong" kind of Islam by rebel movements in Syria and post-regime change governments in Libya and Iraq is a major reason, but obviously not the only one, behind the refugee crises that we've been seeing in Europe and North America.

Either way, those crises are largely the consequence of vainglorious "regime change" interventions in the region and will not stop until we learn to appreciate the dire consequences of allowing Riyadh and Tehran to hold all the cards through our undermining the most power secular Arab governments in the region.

There would have been no Khomeini without Operation Ajax, friends.

DogOnPorch · May 3, 2017

46 minutes ago, GritBusters said:

There would have been no Khomeini without Operation Ajax, friends.

No...just Iran as part of the USSR and probably getting the Chechnya treatment today.

bush_cheney2004 · May 3, 2017

Canadians make plenty of money off of the Saudi's besides military contracts....have done so for a long time:

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Saudi Arabia is the key economic driver in the Gulf Co-operation Council (GCC). The oil rich country owns about 25% of the worlds proven petroleum reserves. The country's efforts to diversify its economy is driving opportunities for Canadians in many sectors. The government is encouraging the growth of the private sector in order to diversity its economy, focused around power generation, telecommunications, natural gas exploration and petrochemical sectors. Business opportunities exist across a wide range of sectors that match Canadian capabilities.

EDC in Saudi Arabia

Canadian companies assisted 178
International buyers insured 174
Business volume
451.99 Million CAD

http://www.edc.ca/EN/Country-Info/Pages/Saudi-Arabia.aspx

PIK · May 3, 2017

19 hours ago, Omni said:

Oh and maybe the people who will be killed by them. Of course they will likely be brown what the hey!

So what? It is the brown people killing each other. So put the blame where the blame should be. That is like blaming the car for a drunk driver. Hopefully these losers will realize how big of losers they really are and quit the dam killing and get rid of this 10th century thinking.

Omni · May 3, 2017

13 minutes ago, PIK said:

So what? It is the brown people killing each other. So put the blame where the blame should be. That is like blaming the car for a drunk driver. Hopefully these losers will realize how big of losers they really are and quit the dam killing and get rid of this 10th century thinking.

Then who would buy out LAV's?

PIK · May 3, 2017

24 minutes ago, Omni said:

Then who would buy out LAV's?

The brown people, they are far from done killing each other, so maybe we can speed up the process and they will finally tire of all this killing.

Moonlight Graham · May 3, 2017

6 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

No...just Iran as part of the USSR and probably getting the Chechnya treatment today.

You have evidence Mosaddegh wanted Iran to join the USSR or become Communist? He certainly wasn't a part the Tudeh Party, Iran's Communist part.

Army Guy · May 3, 2017

On 5/2/2017 at 6:20 PM, Omni said:

Oh and maybe the people who will be killed by them. Of course they will likely be brown what the hey!

WHAT......Brown people killing Brown people say it is not so.....

Omni · May 3, 2017

10 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

WHAT......Brown people killing Brown people say it is not so.....

Seems to me most of the people I saw flying around dropping bombs on brown people in Iraq weren't brown.

GostHacked · May 3, 2017

22 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

? Non sequitur.

The point remains...there'd be no way in Hell I'd be in a LAV in a battlefield full of Kornet 9M133s. Which pretty much describes any battlefield over there. A ditch sounds safer.

Sequitur indeed , showing inconsistent approach in certain members' views on a certain religion.

When Islamic Saudi's get military weapons, does not seem an issue, those members give them a pass. 'What you rather someone else build their weapons of war?'

Give Palestinians a knife and those same members go bat shit crazy.

We should not be dealing with the Saudi's at all. That would be a welcomed approach by those who bitch about everything Islam. But do we see that?? Ahahaha nope.

GostHacked · May 3, 2017

17 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

WHAT......Brown people killing Brown people say it is not so.....

How many tours in Afghanistan did you do?

Army Guy · May 3, 2017

13 minutes ago, Omni said:

Seems to me most of the people I saw flying around dropping bombs on brown people in Iraq weren't brown.

What are you saying , we are only counting dead brown people that have died, due to aircraft bombings....I'm sure if you look up any middle eastern conflict Muslims have killed more Muslims than any other race.

GostHacked · May 3, 2017

3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

What are you saying , we are only counting dead brown people that have died, due to aircraft bombings....I'm sure if you look up any middle eastern conflict Muslims have killed more Muslims than any other race.

IS our meddling in the M.E. helping?

Army Guy · May 3, 2017

14 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

How many tours in Afghanistan did you do?

3 tours.....and my comment was being sarcastic.....

Army Guy · May 4, 2017

1 minute ago, GostHacked said:

IS our meddling in the M.E. helping?

In some cases yes.....but that is not what your implying is it....this is all the west fault.....Muslims are to damn peaceful to conduct warfare again'st each other....oh wait....the stats guy says other wise.....he says Muslims have been fighting each other for thousands of years....before the west was even a thing.....so what changed all of that in the last 100 years.....nothing.....your just looking for a reason to blame the west for something....

Moonlight Graham · May 4, 2017

39 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

IS our meddling in the M.E. helping?

Everything the West does there seems to turn ugly. But what's the alternative? The very sad reality is that the West can't just pull out of the ME, because if we did, it would create a massive power vacuum that would immediately be filled by other powers like Russia and China. Iran would almost certainly obtain nukes, and so would Saudi Arabia to counter I'd imagine (given they'd have lost US protection). If we're not supporting/protecting Israel, wouldn't that push Israel to be far more involved militarily in the region & to the threats surrounding them?

Now you'd have Russia and China controlling a vast amount of the world's oil supply. They would have us by the balls. They could manipulate the price of oil to shock our economies, and they could threaten oil embargos to Europe and us.

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We should not be dealing with the Saudi's at all.

Would you rather be friendly with a bunch of jerks like now, or be enemies with them like Russia, Iran, N. Korea etc? Again, what's the alternative?

Edited May 4, 2017 by Moonlight Graham

OftenWrong · May 4, 2017

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Everything the West does there seems to turn ugly. But what's the alternative? The very sad reality is that the West can't just pull out of the ME, because if we did, it would create a massive power vacuum that would immediately be filled by other powers like Russia and China.

Now you'd have Russia and China controlling a vast amount of the world's oil supply. They would have us by the balls. They could manipulate the price of oil to shock our economies, and they could threaten oil embargos to Europe and us.

Yep, you got that right. The Saudis are among the worst in the ME, culturally speaking and they should be condemned. But if we stop dealing with them from this moral standpoint, our adversaries would have no problem moving right in. Then we'd be screwed. The shit is chess, not checkers.

blackbird · May 4, 2017

4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Sequitur indeed , showing inconsistent approach in certain members' views on a certain religion.

When Islamic Saudi's get military weapons, does not seem an issue, those members give them a pass. 'What you rather someone else build their weapons of war?'

Give Palestinians a knife and those same members go bat shit crazy.

We should not be dealing with the Saudi's at all. That would be a welcomed approach by those who bitch about everything Islam. But do we see that?? Ahahaha nope.

Who the west, mainly the U.S. deal with and sells military equipment to is determined by politics, military power, need for natural resources such as oil, alliances and geography. There would obviously be different types of associations and alliances. It is a complex situation and changes as circumstances change. Many factors have to be taken into consideration.

Edited May 4, 2017 by blackbird

DogOnPorch · May 4, 2017

7 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Sequitur indeed , showing inconsistent approach in certain members' views on a certain religion.

When Islamic Saudi's get military weapons, does not seem an issue, those members give them a pass. 'What you rather someone else build their weapons of war?'

Give Palestinians a knife and those same members go bat shit crazy.

We should not be dealing with the Saudi's at all. That would be a welcomed approach by those who bitch about everything Islam. But do we see that?? Ahahaha nope.

Portraying me as a supporter of the House of Saud? Too funny. Does Allah glow? Let's find out.

-1=e^ipi · May 4, 2017

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

it would create a massive power vacuum that would immediately be filled by other powers like Russia and China.

Rather Russia or China than Saudi Arabia, Iran or ISIS. The West should reorient it's foreign policy and try to seek friendly relations (or maybe even long term alliances) with Russia and China.