Hal 9000 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 1 minute ago, BubberMiley said: What do you call it when somebody repeatedly misspeaks, even after being corrected many times? He misspoke the same misinformation during the election and was consistently corrected. Yet he continues to misspeak and rely on other people to relate their "alternative understanding" of what he really, really meant. Look, he said "highest murder rate", when he clearly meant "highest increase in murder rate" - big deal! The media knows it as evidenced by the last line of the article - you're simply being manipulated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Look, he said "highest murder rate", when he clearly meant "highest increase in murder rate" - big deal! The media knows it as evidenced by the last line of the article - you're simply being manipulated. Don't you find it frustrating that he keeps repeating it, even though you both know it's not true? http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-murder-rate-debunked-2017-2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wilber said: 1: He deliberately told a bald faced lie. 2: He really doesn't know WTF he is talking about. Take your pick. What happened to: d: All of the above 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Look, he said "highest murder rate", when he clearly meant "highest increase in murder rate" - big deal! The media knows it as evidenced by the last line of the article - you're simply being manipulated. It's enough that he keeps making shit up, you don't need to do it for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Just now, ?Impact said: What happened to: d: All of the above Whoops, guess I left out the correct answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Look, he said "highest murder rate", when he clearly meant "highest increase in murder rate" - big deal! The media knows it as evidenced by the last line of the article - you're simply being manipulated. Why does he keep making the same mistake? Why doesn't he correct himself or at least stop saying it? Why doesn't he ever correct any of his bullshit? Why does he need people like you to do it for him? Who is being manipulated here? Edited February 8, 2017 by Wilber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hal 9000 said: You, Impact, Omni, and Bubber are nothing but trolls, Hear that MH, I called them trolls! It would be nice to get some real discussion, you you people just won't have anything to with that. If you actually read and understood the article, you'd notice that. It's willful ignorance. Do you think it's willful ignorance to refuse to address the fact that he has "misspoken" the same line repeatedly, as I cited? Why won't you address that? What is trolly about a simple, relevant question? Edited February 8, 2017 by BubberMiley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: Look, he said "highest murder rate", when he clearly meant "highest increase in murder rate" - big deal! The media knows it as evidenced by the last line of the article - you're simply being manipulated. And I would suggest the "misspeak" was in fact intentional in order to effect just the type of manipulation you refer to. If people don't bother to fact check they might end up crawling under the bed and hope their boy can fix a problem that doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Here are a few more. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/donald-trumps-biggest-policy-flip-flops-20160512 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Here's the democratic leadership boldfaced lying And here's another democratic leader lying to the american people - WoW, you go girls! Strangely enough, this isn't getting 24 hr. airplay Edited February 9, 2017 by Hal 9000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 5 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: Here's the democratic leadership boldfaced lying And here's another democratic leader lying to the american people - WoW, you go girls! Strangely enough, this isn't getting 24 hr. airplay Now if she repeatedly said "Korea" instead of "Crimea" after being corrected, and if there were some discernible motive behind making that mistake repeatedly, then those would be comparable situations. I bet if you pointed out to her that she probably meant Crimea, she would agree and say she misspoke. It would be strange if, after being corrected, she just kept repeating it. In the meantime, why do you think Trump repeatedly misspeaks the same line and doesn't acknowledge it or correct himself? Is asking that question uncomfortable for you to answer and therefore trolly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 20 hours ago, Wilber said: Why do you keep making stuff up that people never said and ignoring what they actually did say? You are saying he took one statistic and used it to claim the country's murder rate is at a 47 year high. A completed falsehood. There are only two explanations here. 1: He deliberately told a bald faced lie. 2: He really doesn't know WTF he is talking about. Take your pick. I think I will add one more to you list As well as a pathological lier he really sucks at what he does. Way past incompetency threshold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 During Donald Trump's last minute press conference today Trump offered the following alternative fact: "I guess it’s the biggest electoral college win since Ronald Reagan", while the real facts are: Donald Trump 2016: 306 Barack Obama 2012: 332 Barack Obama 2008: 365 Bill Clinton 1996: 379 George H. W. Bush 1988: 426 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 At Donald Trump's rally in Florida this evening he presented this alternative fact: "You look at what's happening in Germany. You look at what's happening last night in Sweden ... Sweden ... who would believe this? Sweden, they took in large numbers, they are having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what's happening Brussels, you look at what's happening all over the world", while the real fact is that nothing happened in Sweden last night. This is just more of the alternative facts about crime soaring in Sweden in recent years, while the real facts in the Crime Survey shows that it has remained relatively flat over the past decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 At Donald Trump's rally on Saturday he spoke the following alternative fact: “They were close to signing a $4.2 billion deal to have a new Air Force One. Can you believe this? I said, ‘No way.’ I said, ‘I refuse to fly in a $4.2 billion airplane. I refuse.’ We got that price down by over $1 billion, and I probably haven’t spoken, to be honest with you, for more than an hour on the project. I got the generals in, who are fantastic. I got Boeing in. But I told Boeing it’s not good enough. We’re not going to do it. The price is still too high.”. Today we heard the real fact from Air Force Colonel Pat Ryder: “To my knowledge I have not been told that we have that information, I refer you to the White House”. A White House spokesman didn’t respond to repeated inquiries about Trump’s comments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 On 2/18/2017 at 10:02 PM, ?Impact said: At Donald Trump's rally in Florida this evening he presented this alternative fact: "You look at what's happening in Germany. You look at what's happening last night in Sweden ... Sweden ... who would believe this? Yes...I would believe it. This is what happened in Sweden after Trump's comments: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39047455 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Someone said "Why aren't the Swedes reporting terror related crimes in their country? Because, they are become Jihadists. How Sweden became an exporter of jihad Swedish leftists are traveling to Syria in large numbers, to help ISIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Yes, Trump didn't necessarily lie about Sweden. Maybe it was just unreported and he's he only person who knows about Sweden. How's that for some thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Everything is fine in Sweden...rinse, repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Someone said "Why aren't the Swedes reporting terror related crimes in their country? Because, they are become Jihadists. How Sweden became an exporter of jihad Swedish leftists are traveling to Syria in large numbers, to help ISIS. Many of these persons who goes from European countries to Syria-Iraq to help terror organizations are criminals. When a US citizen woman was murdered in Turkiye because of she rejected a male who wants to have sex with her, her murderer was taken by Turkish SF from Syria while figthing for terror organizations. Many of these persons are drug addicts and they are previously convicted of various crimes. Edited February 23, 2017 by Altai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 9 hours ago, BubberMiley said: Yes, Trump didn't necessarily lie about Sweden. Maybe it was just unreported and he's he only person who knows about Sweden. How's that for some thinking? Or he was just speaking figuratively, using colourful language. But it's not important enough to carry on discussing. There must be an important problem to discuss about Trump out there, somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 6 hours ago, Altai said: Many of these persons who goes from European countries to Syria-Iraq to help terror organizations are criminals. When a US citizen woman was murdered in Turkiye because of she rejected a male who wants to have sex with her, her murderer was taken by Turkish SF from Syria while figthing for terror organizations. Many of these persons are drug addicts and they are previously convicted of various crimes. I always suspected that terror groups like ISIS are getting people to join them who are desperate, people who feel they have no future. Criminals certainly fall into that category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Quote Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal ballots http://nbc4i.com/2017/02/27/ohio-secretary-of-state-investigation-found-non-citizens-registered-to-vote-cast-illegal-ballots/ When Trump said there were voters fraud - he wasn't making any alternative facts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Out of 5.5 million votes. Not even worth mentioning, unless you are stretching to defend an indefensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, betsy said: When Trump said there were voters fraud - he wasn't making any alternative facts! Let us see. 82 votes cast, how many of those votes were in the federal election? No Trump was making up 3.5 million - something less than 82 alternative facts. We have also seen that so far most of the illegal voters caught have been Republicans. Edited March 1, 2017 by ?Impact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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