H10 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 He ran on a platform of a muslim ban, he promised the voters he'd give it, his only mistake, is that his muslim ban does not go far enough, because it permits in muslims from terror hot beds like Saudi, Afghanistan, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan, UAE, Kuwait, Turkey, Pakistan, Tunisia and so many more terror hot beds. Mr. Trump needs to keep his promises. We always say that politicians don't keep their promises, but here is Donald Trump - a politician- partially keeping his promise and people are condeming him? This is a no win situation, no matter what Trump did, some pc whiners would whine. Why didn't all these people who oppose the muslim ban vote in the election? Seems like people trying to close the gate after the horses have ran free. The election happened, Trump is president, he ran on a muslim ban platform, we cannot be surprised by the ban but rather expect it. I commend Trump for honoring his word and election promises, even though I may disagree with his policies. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) First of all it is not a Muslim ban. It is a CITIZEN ban. It is based on the color of their passports not any religion they believe in. Many religious minorities who are persecuted in those countries are banned too. So get the facts right first and second as you conceded the ban did not include so many anti-American nationals that you listed and are hostile to US and American and who actually in the past have carried out terrorist attacks against the US civilians on American soil. It was NOT for the safety of American as Trump and his gangsters are trying to sell but rather a political move to pretend that he has uphold his campaign promise and gain support. He is not to be commended on anything except being responsible for bringing the old Nazi theories to America and Trump is a disgrace to America. many Americans are ashamed and I don't blame them. Edited January 30, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
dialamah Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 I condemned him when he made the promise. Why would I praise him for keeping it? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 I think if the leftists knew that some Christians were blocked yesterday, they'd feel a lot better. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Argus Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 18 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: I think if the leftists knew that some Christians were blocked yesterday, they'd feel a lot better. I don't think the reaction would be nearly as strong if it was Romania, Bulgaria and Serbia. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hal 9000 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Argus said: I don't think the reaction would be nearly as strong if it was Romania, Bulgaria and Serbia. And that's where Trump went wrong. He shoulda thrown a wrench into things by listing a eastern Europe or Scandinavian country. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, Argus said: I don't think the reaction would be nearly as strong if it was Romania, Bulgaria and Serbia. Well surely not. Who wishes to go to these countries anyways!!. No seriously it is real sad because US of A always stood for democracy and human rights at least within their borders. The three countries you named never stood for human rights in fact they have a history of human right violations as part of Warsaw pact in the past. Serbia in particular carried out genocide against Muslims not long ago. But US of A following the path of Nazi Germany and barring people based on color of passport or national origin is a shock. Quote
Argus Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: No seriously it is real sad because US of A always stood for democracy and human rights at least within their borders. And it's still a democracy, and it still has human rights. But it is not a human right to be allowed to go and live in the US, nor even enter it. A lot of Muslim countries, BTW, bar entry to all Israelis. Sixteen, to be exact. Among them, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan and Yemen. Oh my! Edited January 30, 2017 by Argus 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
BubberMiley Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 16 minutes ago, Argus said: I don't think the reaction would be nearly as strong if it was Romania, Bulgaria and Serbia. Or if it wasn't done in a totally erratic, spiteful and dangerous manner. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Argus said: And it's still a democracy, and it still has human rights. But it is not a human right to be allowed to go and live in the US, nor even enter it. A lot of Muslim countries, BTW, bar entry to all Israelis. Sixteen, to be exact. Among them, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan and Yemen. Oh my! It is a human right violation when people are discriminated based on race, sex, skin color, religion, national origin, language or sexual orientation. The US of A now discriminates based at least on one of those factors I listed. Edited January 30, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
betsy Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, hernanday said: He ran on a platform of a muslim ban, he promised the voters he'd give it, his only mistake, is that his muslim ban does not go far enough, because it permits in muslims from terror hot beds like Saudi, Afghanistan, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan, UAE, Kuwait, Turkey, Pakistan, Tunisia and so many more terror hot beds. Mr. Trump needs to keep his promises. We always say that politicians don't keep their promises, but here is Donald Trump - a politician- partially keeping his promise and people are condeming him? This is a no win situation, no matter what Trump did, some pc whiners would whine. Why didn't all these people who oppose the muslim ban vote in the election? Seems like people trying to close the gate after the horses have ran free. The election happened, Trump is president, he ran on a muslim ban platform, we cannot be surprised by the ban but rather expect it. I commend Trump for honoring his word and election promises, even though I may disagree with his policies. Apparently, the list with those 7 countries were taken from Obama admin. According to Priebus, it might get expanded. Another explanation I heard (can't recall the name of the guy), is that those 7 nations have such poor relations with the USA that it's almost impossible to verify the identities of applicants from those nations. Yes, Trump has been repeatedly saying that the Muslim temporary ban will happen within his first 100 days in office. I suppose people thought he's just another politician who won't keep his promise once elected. They didn't take him seriously - and now, they're all shell-shocked. Edited January 30, 2017 by betsy Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 President Trump is not responsible for the "human rights" of all people in the world. He is responsible for security of U.S. borders. I also commend President Trump for following through on his campaign rhetoric, and urge him to ignore peanut gallery voices who have no say in the matter of U.S. border security, especially those from a nation that gave us Ahmed Ressam (Millennium Bomber). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: I think if the leftists knew that some Christians were blocked yesterday, they'd feel a lot better. Trump has said Christians in countries where they are minorities are persecuted and will be let in as refugees from these countries. http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/trump-christian-refugees/ Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
H10 Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Posted January 30, 2017 3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: First of all it is not a Muslim ban. It is a CITIZEN ban. It is based on the color of their passports not any religion they believe in. Many religious minorities who are persecuted in those countries are banned too. So get the facts right first and second as you conceded the ban did not include so many anti-American nationals that you listed and are hostile to US and American and who actually in the past have carried out terrorist attacks against the US civilians on American soil. It was NOT for the safety of American as Trump and his gangsters are trying to sell but rather a political move to pretend that he has uphold his campaign promise and gain support. He is not to be commended on anything except being responsible for bringing the old Nazi theories to America and Trump is a disgrace to America. many Americans are ashamed and I don't blame them. Actually he said he would fast track Christian refugees in Syria and Sudan. So its not a citizenship ban, MUSLIM BAN. Quote
H10 Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Posted January 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: And that's where Trump went wrong. He shoulda thrown a wrench into things by listing a eastern Europe or Scandinavian country. Why, he ran on being anti-pc, the terrorist aren't coming from east europe, they are coming from the middle east and west/central asia. Quote
H10 Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Posted January 30, 2017 2 hours ago, betsy said: Apparently, the list with those 7 countries were taken from Obama admin. According to Priebus, it might get expanded. Another explanation I heard (can't recall the name of the guy), is that those 7 nations have such poor relations with the USA that it's almost impossible to verify the identities of applicants from those nations. Yes, Trump has been repeatedly saying that the Muslim temporary ban will happen within his first 100 days in office. I suppose people thought he's just another politician who won't keep his promise once elected. They didn't take him seriously - and now, they're all shell-shocked. These people are hypocrites, they constantly demand that politicians keep their promises, and now one finally does and they got their panties all spread out. Quote
H10 Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Posted January 30, 2017 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: President Trump is not responsible for the "human rights" of all people in the world. He is responsible for security of U.S. borders. I also commend President Trump for following through on his campaign rhetoric, and urge him to ignore peanut gallery voices who have no say in the matter of U.S. border security, especially those from a nation that gave us Ahmed Ressam (Millennium Bomber). Agreed, Quote
Boges Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 He should not be commended because Pakistan and Saudi Arabia aren't on this list. Countries where, you know, actual terrorists have come from. I don't throw this around a lot, but this move is racist and xenophobic. Shame on Trump. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Here's a view from a Conservative source: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444388/trump-executive-order-implementation-problems Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 This travel ban stuff is an excellent diversion and distraction while Team Trump pounds away with more executive orders. The protesters will not be able to keep up with all of President Trump's changes. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: This travel ban stuff is an excellent diversion and distraction while Team Trump pounds away with more executive orders. The protesters will not be able to keep up with all of President Trump's changes. Except this one has caught the ire of other Republicans. Is it just an attempt to keep an election promise even though there's no way the ban will stand. So he can blame someone else. Edited January 30, 2017 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Boges said: Except this one has caught the ire of other Republicans. Is it just an attempt to keep an election promise even though there's no way the ban will stand. So he can blame someone else. Maybe...Trump is on firm legal ground and the Dems know it, so they are drafting new legislation. Obama had travel bans too, but not in the context of Trump's "Muslim ban" from the campaign. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
blueblood Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: This travel ban stuff is an excellent diversion and distraction while Team Trump pounds away with more executive orders. The protesters will not be able to keep up with all of President Trump's changes. You forgot language in dealing with people. As Jamie Lannister says only a fool makes threats he's not prepared to carry out... Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Hal 9000 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Boges said: He should not be commended because Pakistan and Saudi Arabia aren't on this list. Countries where, you know, actual terrorists have come from. I don't throw this around a lot, but this move is racist and xenophobic. Shame on Trump. I think that the countries listed are countries with active terror recruitment facilities or camps...and places that the terrorists move through, no necessarily their country of origin. Obama's administration are the ones that identified these countries based on CIA Intelligence - so, who knows. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 18 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: First of all it is not a Muslim ban. It is a CITIZEN ban. It is based on the color of their passports not any religion they believe in. Donald Trump has already stated that he will fast track religious minorities (i.e. non Muslim) from those areas. Quote
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