Michael Hardner Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) ...militarily that is. But how will he measure up against a new president who bragged about his penis size, in response to criticism of his infant-sized hands. Yes, this is what international diplomacy is nowadays, please join me in the mud. http://www.torontosun.com/2016/12/22/putin-russias-military-is-stronger-than-anyones Quote “We can say with certainty: we are stronger now than any potential aggressor,” he told the meeting. “Anyone!” Good to know that he's ready to invade bordering nations, and feels that his new friend in Washington (blackmail victim maybe ?) would likely stand by as he mongered war. Oh if Trump were only half the man Hillary was.... Edited December 23, 2016 by Michael Hardner moderator requested Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
dialamah Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Good to know that he's ready to invade bordering nations, and feels that his new friend in Washington (blackmail victim maybe ?) would likely stand by as he mongered war. Oh if Trump were only half the man Hillary was.... Ohhh, Michael, them's fightin' words! I'm very interested to see what happens next, for sure. Quote
BubberMiley Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 After the puppet is in place, Russia's sanctions are immediately lifted, and Putin begins doing whatever he wants, the right-wingers will likely blame Obama for the decline of U.S. leadership and power. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Moonlight Graham Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 This is only according to Putin. The US would wipe the floor with Russia. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
DogOnPorch Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said: This is only according to Putin. The US would wipe the floor with Russia. Up to a point, yes. But there would be some nasty casualties all around. To be avoided AT ALL COSTS. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
The_Squid Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said: This is only according to Putin. The US would wipe the floor with Russia. Mutually Assured Destruction is still a thing... Quote
kactus Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 Don't expect to see much from Trump. They would probably reach a mutual agreement to shape the middle east and divide and conquer various countries. Russia already has a head start in Syria. In every US election I have witnessed the democrats and republicans try to undo the policies of one another... Quote
Smallc Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, The_Squid said: Mutually Assured Destruction is still a thing... Possibly, if it went there. A conventional war would be very bad for Russia. Quote
The_Squid Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Smallc said: Possibly, if it went there. A conventional war would be very bad for Russia. Yeah... they did so poorly in Crimea that I'm sure they will never try that sort of thing ever again... Quote
Smallc Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 Just now, The_Squid said: Yeah... they did so poorly in Crimea that I'm sure they will never try that sort of thing ever again... That was a war with Ukraine, not the United States of America. Quote
The_Squid Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 Just now, Smallc said: That was a war with Ukraine, not the United States of America. They aren't going to invade USA.... just Latvia... Estonia... etc, etc. Quote
eyeball Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 3 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Up to a point, yes. But there would be some nasty casualties all around. To be avoided AT ALL COSTS. To be offloaded you mean...onto Muslims preferably. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Omni Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 I hear now that one item on Trump's agenda is to greatly expand America's nuclear capability, reversing Obama's policy. What's he up, did he find out Putin actually has the biggest one and he's jealous? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Good to know that he's ready to invade bordering nations, and feels that his new friend in Washington (blackmail victim maybe ?) would likely stand by as he mongered war. Oh if Trump were only half the man Hillary was.... Trudeau bragged about not whipping out CF-18s as well. Why does it fall on Trump's USA to "stand up" to Putin ? Canada doesn't even spend the 2% minimum NATO requirement on its military. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted December 22, 2016 Author Report Posted December 22, 2016 Let's stick to Putin... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 Putin is Russia's leader and he will do what he thinks is best for Russia. This is certified as not thread drift. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 Quote Oh if Trump were only half the man Hillary was.... What does this have to do with Putin ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, The_Squid said: They aren't going to invade USA.... just Latvia... Estonia... etc, etc. And to do that they'll have to face off directly with western ground forces. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 9 minutes ago, Smallc said: And to do that they'll have to face off directly with western ground forces. Not necessarily...Putin can gain leverage with native speaking Russians and referendum, just as he did in Crimea. NATO has found Russia's limit...the bear is back in the game. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 A country with an economy about that size of Canada's is going to have a rough time of going against the rest of the Western World. Quote
Bonam Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 7 minutes ago, Smallc said: A country with an economy about that size of Canada's is going to have a rough time of going against the rest of the Western World. Quote And to do that they'll have to face off directly with western ground forces. That's where the nuclear threat and deterrent comes in. Something Canada doesn't have. Would the US really risk nuclear conflict to protect the Baltic states? Especially with a Trump presidency? He has advocated isolationism and not bothering to protect allies that don't pitch in enough. I suspect that if Russia decided to roll tanks across the border into Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus, and Georgia, the US would take no military action, though they'd surely impose severe sanctions and issue many harsh condemnations. The US and its allies would likely draw the line at Poland, Finland, Slovakia, Hungary, but it's very unlikely Putin would ever try for those to begin with. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 22, 2016 Author Report Posted December 22, 2016 51 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Putin is Russia's leader and he will do what he thinks is best for Russia. This is certified as not thread drift. Ha. You are correct. But we're now in strange territory as Trump tweet/escalated today. Not sure what to think... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Smallc Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bonam said: That's where the nuclear threat and deterrent comes in. Something Canada doesn't have. Would the US really risk nuclear conflict to protect the Baltic states? Especially with a Trump presidency? He has advocated isolationism and not bothering to protect allies that don't pitch in enough. I suspect that if Russia decided to roll tanks across the border into Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus, and Georgia, the US would take no military action, though they'd surely impose severe sanctions and issue many harsh condemnations. The US and its allies would likely draw the line at Poland, Finland, Slovakia, Hungary, but it's very unlikely Putin would ever try for those to begin with. You may be right - the problem is that there will already be western troops in many of those countries. Quote
Bonam Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 Just now, Smallc said: You may be right - the problem is that there will already be western troops in many of those countries. Troops that can be hastily pulled back. It's unlikely Putin would deliberately prevent their departure or target them. He wants to enhance his own power and Russia's power, not engage in an apocalyptic war. Quote
kactus Posted December 22, 2016 Report Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) With the US vowing to increase their nuclear arsenal is the arms race about to resume? It's the nuclear arms race all over again... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-nukes-nuclear-weapons2016-12 Donald Trump's tweet is confusing to say the least. On one hand he wants to improve relations with Putin and on the other hand remains unpredictable as usual. Quite scary times for the world with a new president who will be sworn to office soon and his trigger happy finger on that nuclear button... Edited December 22, 2016 by kactus Quote
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