Benz Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 3 hours ago, Argus said: Yes. It had none. It had zero impact on what racial laws existed in Canada. It had no impact on the Canadian mainstream or Canadian politicians. Well... 2016 years ago, a powerless man has been crucified on a wooden cross and yet, we ended up with one of the most wide spread religion on earth based on that event. Isolated, it is just a man that died in a very fatalist way. but when we look at the big picture, the conclusion is very different. I think you under estimate it. Should the event at the movie theatre never occured, would have it not change anything at all? It is possible, yes. I have no analysis on the impact in my hands, directly or indirectly. I am pretty sure it changed something. Maybe influence others on the long run. One thing for sure, it was not a forgotten event. She got a pardon, the first one in Canadian history, according to what I have read so far. She was treated almost like a criminal and now she is considered a hero. I can't agree with your "no impact" conclusion. If you have said that she had a small impact but, not big enough to be compared to many others who deserve that honour, I would say fair enough. But you insist on saying that it's a non impact story and I do not think you are objective when you say that. You do know that all the racists of that time all thought that refusing her the access of the theatre and the trial for fiscal evasion was not such a big deal. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, Benz said: She got a pardon, the first one in Canadian history, according to what I have read so far. Actually it was a 'free pardon', that is different from a normal pardon in that it is not a forgiveness but an indication that the conviction itself was in error and the recipient was innocent. That in itself is rare, but the fact that it was issued posthumously is what makes it unique. Regardless, that was not what her family wanted, because it removes all records of the offence. They want it made clear that she was wrongfully convicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 I think in the moment we should reflect back on the fact that we had our share of racism is this country that caused this event to happen, and then be happy that we have progressed far enough to where we can put her face on our money to remind us of the past, while giving us hope for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 9 minutes ago, Omni said: I think in the moment we should reflect back on the fact that we had our share of racism is this country that caused this event to happen, and then be happy that we have progressed far enough to where we can put her face on our money to remind us of the past, while giving us hope for the future. What is with all this racism you keep bringing up here that was suppose to have happened in Canada a long time ago? Was there a Canadian version of the KKK running around in Canada at one time? This word racist is so thrown around so easy when probably in most cases racism was never involved it just may have appeared that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benz Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 10 hours ago, taxme said: What is with all this racism you keep bringing up here that was suppose to have happened in Canada a long time ago? Was there a Canadian version of the KKK running around in Canada at one time? This word racist is so thrown around so easy when probably in most cases racism was never involved it just may have appeared that way. Do you deny that she was victim of racism and segregation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 10 hours ago, taxme said: What is with all this racism you keep bringing up here that was suppose to have happened in Canada a long time ago? Was there a Canadian version of the KKK running around in Canada at one time? This word racist is so thrown around so easy when probably in most cases racism was never involved it just may have appeared that way. KKK in Canada Canada has an extensive history of racism against many different peoples in its past. FN residential schools, Chinese head tax, Japanese internment camps in WW2, Sikhs Komagata Maru, Segregation of Blacks in the Maritimes and other races elsewhere etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 Technically...this the Second Klan which was making an attempt at becoming a political party. This opposed to the traditional KKK founded after the Civil War. Violence was less a part of the Second Klan...though not eliminated, obviously. This due to the need to appeal to a larger audience...including women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan#Second_KKK It all fell apart by the end of WW2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 11 hours ago, taxme said: What is with all this racism you keep bringing up here that was suppose to have happened in Canada a long time ago? Was there a Canadian version of the KKK running around in Canada at one time? This word racist is so thrown around so easy when probably in most cases racism was never involved it just may have appeared that way. A little reading for you. http://www.peoplescommission.org/files/poped/05. A History of Racism.doc.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/14/2016 at 9:51 PM, Argus said: My values don't depend on the colour or gender of the person involved. Yours do. For those of you saying she was put on the note because she was black, that is the stupidest nonsense I've ever heard. She was put on the note for fighting against oppression and advocating equal rights. She was able to do that because people were and still are racist. I mean just look at the bullshit in this thread where people are stupid enough to think she's on the note because she's black. That's your racism right there. It's racist because you can't see what her accomplishment is with your bitter and juvenile fixation on her race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadianjim Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 On 2016-12-09 at 11:07 AM, Bryan said: We'll see if Justin still feels so strongly about segregated seating the next time he visits a mosque. You sound like a paranoid American. I deal in reality. 2015 14 americans killed in America by Jihadists 11,000 killed by american gun owners. Paranoia exposes their idiocy as it does yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, Canadianjim said: You sound like a paranoid American. I deal in reality. Nothing explains things better to Canadians than references to Americans. That's why Viola Desmond is described as Canada's Rosa Parks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadianjim Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nothing explains things better to Canadians than references to Americans. "When Americans go down the path of voting for a birther conspiracy freak with Fascist tendencies that is going to control their military, I think it explains it pretty well. "None so blind as those that will not see" Edited December 17, 2016 by Canadianjim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 13 minutes ago, Canadianjim said: "When Americans go down the path of voting for a birther conspiracy freak with Fascist tendencies that is going to control their military, I think it explains it pretty well. "None so blind as those that will not see" Americans put fascists on their coins and notes too (e.g. Lincoln & FDR). Relevance to this topic ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Canadianjim said: You sound like a paranoid American. I deal in reality. 2015 14 americans killed in America by Jihadists 11,000 killed by american gun owners. Paranoia exposes their idiocy as it does yours. Back on topic, please. This one is about a paternalistic government putting a beautician on the ten dollar bill simply because she was Black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 9 hours ago, Canadianjim said: You sound like a paranoid American. I deal in reality. 2015 14 americans killed in America by Jihadists 11,000 killed by american gun owners. Paranoia exposes their idiocy as it does yours. You sound like you don't have a clue what I actually wrote. There was no mention nor any implication of anybody killing anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadianjim Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Bryan said: You sound like you don't have a clue what I actually wrote. There was no mention nor any implication of anybody killing anyone. I may have replied to the wrong post. I apologize if i did. First day on the site. Edited December 18, 2016 by Canadianjim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 22 hours ago, Argus said: Back on topic, please. This one is about a paternalistic government putting a beautician on the ten dollar bill simply because she was Black. I know; the official "story", that she challenged the status quo of racism and paid with jail time is just a smokescreen so the government could mollify a bunch of women and black people in one fell swoop. Once again, a more deserving person (any white person, preferably male) was ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 2 hours ago, dialamah said: I know; the official "story", that she challenged the status quo of racism and paid with jail time is just a smokescreen so the government could mollify a bunch of women and black people in one fell swoop. Once again, a more deserving person (any white person, preferably male) was ignored. In fact, she got a $26 fine. But do exaggerate. Was she the only Black person who ever got mad at racial discrimination and complained about it? I doubt it. Was she the first and only black person who was ever charged with one of these things and pleaded innocent? I doubt it. So what, in the end, was her accomplishment? Nobody even heard of her until her sisters started publicizing the case many years later. If you want to look at someone who accomplished something for the Black community how about Lincoln Alexander? His contributions were approximately several hundred times more important than hers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Argus said: In fact, she got a $26 fine. But do exaggerate. Was she the only Black person who ever got mad at racial discrimination and complained about it? I doubt it. Was she the first and only black person who was ever charged with one of these things and pleaded innocent? I doubt it. So what, in the end, was her accomplishment? Nobody even heard of her until her sisters started publicizing the case many years later. If you want to look at someone who accomplished something for the Black community how about Lincoln Alexander? His contributions were approximately several hundred times more important than hers. Clearly you hate the thoughts of her on a Canadian bill. We get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 17 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said: Clearly you hate the thoughts of her on a Canadian bill. We get it. Clearly you hate trying to rebut someone who uses logic and common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 Just now, Argus said: Clearly you hate trying to rebut someone who uses logic and common sense. Logic and common sense. Hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said: Logic and common sense. Hmmmm. Anyone honest comparing the accomplishments of Lincoln Alexander and Viola Desmond cannot help but notice how vastly more important Alexander was in terms of convincing White Canada of the merits of equality. I am not the spokesman for the Negro; that honour has not been given to me. Do not let me ever give anyone that impression. However, I want the record to show that I accept the responsibility of speaking for him and all others in this great nation who feel that they are the subjects of discrimination because of race, creed or colour. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Alexander Edited December 18, 2016 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 17 minutes ago, Argus said: Anyone honest comparing the accomplishments of Lincoln Alexander and Viola Desmond cannot help but notice how vastly more important Alexander was in terms of convincing White Canada of the merits of equality. I am not the spokesman for the Negro; that honour has not been given to me. Do not let me ever give anyone that impression. However, I want the record to show that I accept the responsibility of speaking for him and all others in this great nation who feel that they are the subjects of discrimination because of race, creed or colour. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Alexander Of course. He's a man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 48 minutes ago, Argus said: Clearly you hate trying to rebut someone who uses logic and common sense. Your objections whenever a person who isn't white and isn't male is given some recognition in Canada clearly identifies the source of your 'logic' and 'common sense'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 On 12/16/2016 at 9:44 AM, Benz said: Do you deny that she was victim of racism and segregation? Maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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