Wynne says Hydro rates an "Urgent" Issue

[Boges]

I have said before, the jury is still out on Brown. He has certainly had issues in his past, and made several stumbles as leader, but he is lightyears ahead of Hudak. He appears to be able to learn from some of his mistakes. He wouldn't be my choice, but as I am not a party member it was not up to me. We will see how he does in an election. Remember Hudak failed miserably in an election, and the party kept him for another.

Leaders shouldn't be one and done for elections. Dalton McGuinty lost an election.

[PIK]

So impact did not vote liberal or NDP but harris was a bogey man. ONT needed Harris at the time, we need another Harris right now.

[overthere]

Got our new NG furnace installed yesterday. Bye, Bye renewable energy, hello fossil fuel. I would like to thank the Ontario Liberals for making the decision easy. Pay their exorbitant price for electric heat or pay less than half for natural gas heat.

Hey you bought just in time to pay that fat new carbon tax.

[?Impact]

Leaders shouldn't be one and done for elections. Dalton McGuinty lost an election.

Did I say that? No. Hudak proved himself useless during the election campaign.

[?Impact]

So impact did not vote liberal or NDP but harris was a bogey man. ONT needed Harris at the time, we need another Harris right now.

I voted for Harris, twice. I am responsible for the disaster that twit caused. I have admitted it many times.

[Ash74]

Harris will seem like a spending machine compared to what it is going to take to get Ontario back to a sensible economic position.

Sure we have low corporate taxes but we have high energy rates and regulations that make running a business a nightmare.

[overthere]

Mike Harris left office in 2002 , and Ontario had a debt of about $130 billion.

Now , despite the excellent and prudent fiscal management of successive Liberal governments, it is about $300 billion and rising rapidly.

Since no blame whatsoever can be attributed to McGuinty or Wynne- it can only be the fault of Mike Harris, vaunted time traveller and minion of Satan.

[PIK]

I just

Got our new NG furnace installed yesterday. Bye, Bye renewable energy, hello fossil fuel. I would like to thank the Ontario Liberals for making the decision easy. Pay their exorbitant price for electric heat or pay less than half for natural gas heat.

Put 2 in my business, cant afford the $500/ week hydro bill.

[Argus]

Mike Harris left office in 2002 , and Ontario had a debt of about $130 billion.

Now , despite the excellent and prudent fiscal management of successive Liberal governments, it is about $300 billion and rising rapidly.

Since no blame whatsoever can be attributed to McGuinty or Wynne- it can only be the fault of Mike Harris, vaunted time traveller and minion of Satan.

Yes, and don't forget it's also his fault we have high hydro rates and global warming.

[scribblet]

On 9/8/2016 at 3:41 PM, ?Impact said:

How do you lower the cost of hydro, when Mike Harris converted the public utility to a private one? What part of the government doesn't control the rate don't you get? Hydro is a private enterprise thanks to the Progressive Conservatives who destroyed many, many decades of a public utility. What would you like the government to do? Pay the several hundred billion dollars required to return the electric grid to public control?

Mike Harris did not convert Hydro One to a public utility, he split it up into 5 different arms, one of which was deregulated, thus allowing different companies to distribute electricity at different rates.   The Liberal Wynne gov't is in the process of privatizing it now.

[Topaz]

Wow, I see some changes to the forum while I've been gone. Anyway, maybe if  majority of homeowners could  add a natural-gas generator to their homes and run it  in high and medium times, it could send a message to the Ontario  gov't, ESPECIALLY IF THEY STARTED TO LOSE MONEY!  Ontario Hydro will give back up to 50.00 monthly, if your income is at a certain bracket, I'm looking into  it.

[Bob Macadoo]

1 hour ago, scribblet said:

Mike Harris did not convert Hydro One to a public utility, he split it up into 5 different arms, one of which was deregulated, thus allowing different companies to distribute electricity at different rates.   The Liberal Wynne gov't is in the process of privatizing it now.

He also leased Bruce site to a private entity then allowed them to sell/market the power to huge returns.....then Eves trying to get re-elected regulated them but still failed.

[Ash74]

Soooooooo here we go. After 13 Years it is all the fault of Mike Harris. 

Of course it is. Not the fault of the ontario liberals even if every auditor has shown that we as the general public of ontario have over payed for hydro due to bad planning and poor decisions of the present government. No no. It is all mike harris

[Argus]

Or not.

 

Paul Acchione, an OSPE engineer with long experience in the electricity industry, said the government was “hiring political scientists and environmentalists because they thought they were the experts.” As a result, the government has issued more than 100 ministerial directives that ignored the dramatic decline in demand and the realities of managing an electrical grid where new expensive supply was mushrooming all over the province.

The Ontario green electricity regime is a monumental failure. The costs to consumers are prohibitive and damaging the economy. The environmental and health benefits are debatable and likely non-existent. Worst of all, while the few jobs that have been created are mostly temporary, the high prices it foisted on consumers are permanent.

 

Financial Post

[-1=e^ipi]

On 9/11/2016 at 2:17 PM, Bonam said:

"Hundreds of billions"? That's like the entire GDP of Ontario. "Hundreds of billions" of dollars would be enough to make Ontario electricity free for the next half century.

Also, like the entire debt of Ontario.

As for half a century... are you suggesting that Ontario only spends 2% of it's gdp on energy, because it is far higher than that.

[Bob Macadoo]

On Friday, October 07, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Ash74 said:

Soooooooo here we go. After 13 Years it is all the fault of Mike Harris. 

Of course it is. Not the fault of the ontario liberals even if every auditor has shown that we as the general public of ontario have over payed for hydro due to bad planning and poor decisions of the present government. No no. It is all mike harris

No it's Dalton's, Ernie's & Mike's fault ....... that's what 20 years of crap loks like that needs to be corrected?  Tell me Patrick Brown's plan to fix it and maybe I'll get on your bandwagon.

[Bob Macadoo]

I give up.....there is too much Dalton crap she has to wallpaper over......have at 'er with this one.  I don't know what John Y. knows about energy being a populist from Barry's Bay....he better have more than scorn.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/10/13/ontario-taxpayers-on-hook-for-25-million-over-stalled-wind-power-project.html

[Topaz]

I know everyone has the right to vote and most do but, to save the province or taxpayers money, why not just have the GTA, which has the most voters, who did vote in the liberals when every one else voted  Tory and smaller amount NDP. Unless, GTA voters get angry like the rest of us, the Liberals will get back in.

[?Impact]

7 minutes ago, Topaz said:

Unless, GTA voters get angry like the rest of us, the Liberals will get back in.

Getting angry is one thing, but doing something irrational because you are angry is quite another.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

Getting angry is one thing, but doing something irrational because you are angry is quite another.

So voting against the Liberals is irrational?

[Ash74]

2 hours ago, ?Impact said:

Getting angry is one thing, but doing something irrational because you are angry is quite another.

Voting for the same party that has proven to be irresponsible is voting irrationally. 

[?Impact]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

So voting against the Liberals is irrational?

 

2 hours ago, Ash74 said:

Voting for the same party that has proven to be irresponsible is voting irrationally. 

 

As I stated multiple times in the past, I didn't vote Liberal. In fact the last time I voted for a major party in Ontario is was the Mike Harris gang of nits. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Canada/Ontario just lost another NAFTA round to a U.S. wind power company.   This incompetence is getting to be very expensive:

 

A trade tribunal has awarded a U.S. firm about $28 million following Ontario's decision five years ago to put a moratorium on offshore wind power development.

The company, Windstream Energy LLC, said it has been awarded damages of more than $25.1 million, plus $2.9 million in legal costs.

Windstream signed a deal with the Ontario Power Authority back in 2010 to build a 130-turbine, 300 MW offshore wind power project in the Wolfe Island Shoals of Lake Ontario, near Kingston.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/windstream-ontario-nafta-dispute-1.3805486

[?Impact]

25 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Canada/Ontario just lost another NAFTA round to a U.S. wind power company. 

I will send another thank you note to Brian Mulroney.

[Ash74]

36 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

I will send another thank you note to Brian Mulroney.

Don't forget George Smitherman helped out in the lawsuit

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/david-reevely-ontario-to-pay-another-28-million-for-not-producing-electricity-this-time-to-u-s-wind-farm-firm

 

The man is the gift to Ontario that just keeps on giving. To everybody else but the people of Ontario