Bob Macadoo Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 I am by no means defending this party....I'm just stating the energy portfolio isn't the reason to toss them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 Magna is an enormous international auto parts manufacturer headquartered in Ontario. Yes, most international corporations build facilities internationally. I don't see you whining and crying when an international corporation headquartered elsewhere opens a facility in Ontario. The thing about international business, is that it is done internationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 Yes, most international corporations build facilities internationally. I don't see you whining and crying when an international corporation headquartered elsewhere opens a facility in Ontario. The thing about international business, is that it is done internationally. Except this one already stated that rising electricity costs in Ontario mean they will not open any new facilities here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash74 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I am by no means defending this party....I'm just stating the energy portfolio isn't the reason to toss them. There are many reasons to toss this government to the curb. This thread is about just this particular reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 There are many reasons to toss this government to the curb. This thread is about just this particular reason. Agreed, in fact there have been many reasons for at least 2 election cycles. Time for the opposition to get their act together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoke Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 You mean time for voters to get their act together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 You mean time for voters to get their act together. No, I mean exactly what I said. For the opposition to get their act together and provide a credible alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoke Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Yeah we've heard that bs before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Macadoo Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 No, I mean exactly what I said. For the opposition to get their act together and provide a credible alternative. Well it may fizzle out (or not) but the PC grassroots are already upset with Brown. Populism made him abandon sex curriculum....does he lose a traditional immigrant vote he had for every vote anti-wynne vote he gains? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Companies like Magna have a few reasons not to invest in Canada, and high hydro bills are just one of them. The high cost of labour is another. The small Canadian domestic market is another. Access to US markets for Canadian-based manufacturers is going to shrink , and soon, is another. And of course the extraordinarily onerous regulatory process we inflict on ourselves is another. If Magna builds in Slovenia, Alabama, Guangzhou they get access to big markets with much lower overheads directly, no need to waste time and money in Canuckistan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash74 Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 But hey, credit where credit is due. She got us beer in some select grocery stores... So what if it still only supplied by The Beer Store and takes 7 to 14 days to receive an order plus the cost of the license for the location plus can only buy 6 packs and return empties to The Beer Store monopoly. We can pick up a 6 pack and work up the courage to open the Hydro bill that just arrived in the mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 I am by no means defending this party....I'm just stating the energy portfolio isn't the reason to toss them. Can you name the reasons why we should re-elect them?On occasion she gives us back nickels here and there,but she and her gang are really hosing taxpayers big time overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 I am by no means defending this party....I'm just stating the energy portfolio isn't the reason to toss them. Well, there's the corruption and the incompetence on every single issue they touch, and general unpleasant smarmy sense of superiority. All good reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoke Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 I am by no means defending this party....I'm just stating the energy portfolio isn't the reason to toss them. Yeah, cause they've handled the energy portfolio so well..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 So they're panicking and dropping their commitment to Green Energy. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/ontario-liberals-cancel-plans-to-sign-more-green-energy-contracts-to-save-province-up-to-3-8-billion TORONTO — Ontario’s energy ministry is cancelling plans to sign contracts for up to 1,000 megawatts of power from solar, wind and other renewable energy sources to help keep rates down for consumers. Energy Minister Glenn Thibeault says the decision is expected to save the province up to $3.8 billion in costs from its 2013 long-term plan, and will keep about $2.45 a month from being added to hydro bills. I'm not complaining, but it's interesting how Poll numbers > Green Energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 No, I mean exactly what I said. For the opposition to get their act together and provide a credible alternative. There is honestly just no talking to you, you're another example of a liberal who simply does not care about anything but having liberals in power, simply by virtue of not having been in power for so long and not having had a chance to, or in fact having screwed up so many things makes anyone more credible than this government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 There is honestly just no talking to you, you're another example of a liberal who simply does not care about anything but having liberals in power, simply by virtue of not having been in power for so long and not having had a chance to, or in fact having screwed up so many things makes anyone more credible than this government. I didn't vote for McGuinty, I didn't vote for Wynne. What makes me a Liberal? The last time I voted for a major party in Ontario it was the corrupt incompetent scum Harris, and for that I am deeply ashamed. How does me asking for a better opposition make me a Liberal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoke Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Got our new NG furnace installed yesterday. Bye, Bye renewable energy, hello fossil fuel. I would like to thank the Ontario Liberals for making the decision easy. Pay their exorbitant price for electric heat or pay less than half for natural gas heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 I didn't vote for McGuinty, I didn't vote for Wynne. What makes me a Liberal? Gee, maybe that any time any criticism is levelled at them you run screaming into the fray to defend them with every frantic accusation and diversion you can muster? How does me asking for a better opposition make me a Liberal? That your position seems to be that there is no possible better government than the one currently in power, the one which can't even get their own auditor or public accountant to sign off on its financial statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 That your position seems to be that there is no possible better government than the one currently in power, I said years before the last election the PCs need to get their act together. Step 1 was to find a new leader, but the brain trust said we will stick with Tim. I believe a better government is possible, but we need real leaders to drive it. I was disappointed with Horwath, the previous time around she was quite articulate and positive; unfortunately last time she picked up the PC whining handbook and copied them so she lost my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoke Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I said years before the last election the PCs need to get their act together. Step 1 was to find a new leader, but the brain trust said we will stick with Tim. I believe a better government is possible, but we need real leaders to drive it. I was disappointed with Horwath, the previous time around she was quite articulate and positive; unfortunately last time she picked up the PC whining handbook and copied them so she lost my vote. Anyone still defending these crooks are idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I said years before the last election the PCs need to get their act together. Step 1 was to find a new leader, but the brain trust said we will stick with Tim. I believe a better government is possible, but we need real leaders to drive it. I was disappointed with Horwath, the previous time around she was quite articulate and positive; unfortunately last time she picked up the PC whining handbook and copied them so she lost my vote. It's hilarious that people are willing to give Wynne and Co endless chances through all their lying and corruption but Patrick Brown has ONE slip up over the Sex Ed Curriculum and he needs to be replaced. Double Standard much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 It's hilarious that people are willing to give Wynne and Co endless chances through all their lying and corruption but Patrick Brown has ONE slip up over the Sex Ed Curriculum and he needs to be replaced. Double Standard much? What did I say about Brown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 What did I say about Brown? Do you still believe the PCs need competent leadership? What's your reason to believe they don't currently have it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Do you still believe the PCs need competent leadership? What's your reason to believe they don't currently have it? I have said before, the jury is still out on Brown. He has certainly had issues in his past, and made several stumbles as leader, but he is lightyears ahead of Hudak. He appears to be able to learn from some of his mistakes. He wouldn't be my choice, but as I am not a party member it was not up to me. We will see how he does in an election. Remember Hudak failed miserably in an election, and the party kept him for another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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