Ottawa man beaten to death by police

[jacee]

They say he's got mental issues. Is there real evidence that he has mental issues?

I find it quite a coincidence that the stabbing attack which happened in England a few days ago was perpetrated by a Norwegian-Somali origin. This Somali is also said to have mental issues.

I can't help but wonder because you can see the way media really diluted the incident. I am dubious about the media.

Omg! There are two Somalia with mental issues ... an ocean apart!

It must be a conspiracy!?!

I am somewhat dubious about you.

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[Argus]

There may be leeway when police have evidence (not just suspicion) that a fleeing suspect imminently intends to cause harm. But there are rules.

Repeated punches to the head when he was down?

Kneeling on his broken head?

Were those necessary?

His broken head? Have you ever tried to pin a man down and handcuff him? I invite you to give it a try.

[betsy]

Omg! There are two Somalia with mental issues ... an ocean apart!

It must be a conspiracy!?!

I am somewhat dubious about you.

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The media tries to manipulate, and it doesn't give us accurate information when it suits them.

You haven't answered my question: how sure are you that he's autistic, or has mental issues?

Who verified this information? Is there real evidence?

The benefit of the doubt has to be with the cops at this point, after all they're our law enforcers and they answered to

a 911 call. The victim was resisting arrest.

The Somali woman said she screamed, "He's crazy! He's crazy!"

Well? That could be miscommunication there when she yelled that he's crazy. The cops could've taken that information to mean that the victim was lunatic and uncontrollably violent.

All we're doing right now is making assumptions. We'll have to wait for the investigation to be concluded.

Edited August 7, 2016 by betsy

[taxme]

The media tries to manipulate, and it doesn't give us accurate information when it suits them.

You haven't answered my question: how sure are you that he's autistic, or has mental issues?

Who verified this information? Is there real evidence?

The benefit of the doubt has to be with the cops at this point, after all they're our law enforcers and they answered to

a 911 call. The victim was resisting arrest.

The Somali woman said she screamed, "He's crazy! He's crazy!"

Well? That could be miscommunication there when she yelled that he's crazy. The cops could've taken that information to mean that the victim was lunatic and uncontrollably violent.

All we're doing right now is making assumptions. We'll have to wait for the investigation to be concluded.

I wonder how many more are like him from all those 25,000, and maybe up to 50,000 refugees that we brought in or are going to bring in? The places that we seem to be getting our problem refugees from are from countries where I can see mental illness as a possible big problem, and where it may run rampant, not to omit that there may be plenty of terrorists in that crowd of refugees also. But I trust my politicians, they know best, eh?

[jacee]

His broken head? Have you ever tried to pin a man down and handcuff him? I invite you to give it a try.

You don't know the facts.

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[betsy]

You don't know the facts.

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You don't know the facts, either.

[taxme]

They say he's got mental issues. Is there real evidence that he has mental issues?

I find it quite a coincidence that the stabbing attack which happened in England a few days ago was perpetrated by a Norwegian-Somali origin. This Somali is also said to have mental issues.

I can't help but wonder because you can see the way media really diluted the incident. I am dubious about the media.

Indeed, and according to the lame duck liberal media these days keep trying to tell us that every new immigrant that commits a crime we are always told that they are suffering from mental problems. It's endless with this ridiculous liberal media that for some unknown reason still walk among us. I guess the reason for that is because most Canadians believe everything told to them by the fibbers. Anyone who can use common sense and logic, and not live on politically correct emotionalism will see that everyone should be dubious of what the Canadian media has to say. They fib a lot.

[BuzzKillington]

Bad enough these immigrant deadbeats have no skills, but now we're welcoming people with "mental illness" as well? The word must be out on the wonderful treatment afforded Vince "the head chopper" Li in good old Canada?

Our motto:

Send us your old, sick, uneducated, stupid, give us your mental patients, your tuberculosis infected, oh what the heck: Just send us every useless, diseased parasite on society you can round up. 

We will take care of them, don't worry. The "poor" people of Canada live better than 90% of the planet. 

Thanks,

[taxme]

On 7/7/2018 at 7:37 AM, BuzzKillington said:

Bad enough these immigrant deadbeats have no skills, but now we're welcoming people with "mental illness" as well? The word must be out on the wonderful treatment afforded Vince "the head chopper" Li in good old Canada?

Our motto:

Send us your old, sick, uneducated, stupid, give us your mental patients, your tuberculosis infected, oh what the heck: Just send us every useless, diseased parasite on society you can round up. 

We will take care of them, don't worry. The "poor" people of Canada live better than 90% of the planet. 

Thanks,

If this prime mistake gets to be the PM of Canada after the next election, we all sane people might as well pack our bags and head on out for either America or Australia or New Zealand. Canada will become a mad house for all the insane losers that you mentioned above. This is what fools get when they vote in left wing nut case liberals or socialists. They get political correctness and multicultural madness. They are the ones who are setting up Canada to fail and become the crazy house for all the world to come too. It's dam bloody sad as to what liberalism/socialism has done to this once great nation called Canada. The only way to fix it is to go back to the old days before old man Trudeau when Canada ran on common sense and logic and not liberalism/socialism/communism emotionalism and stupid talk like it is being run today thanks to the Trudeau's. Those two have been a disaster for Canada. Deplorable. 

[Wascana]

Canada took a lot of refugees through Conservative years too. A lot more with Stephen Harper than Jean Chretien before I was born. Trudeau's first year actually took a lot less than any year with Stephen Harper.

You say left wing this, socialist that. Both both parties have been doing the same thing:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canada-welcomed-320000-immigrants-in-past-year-highest-number-since-1971/article32102991/

 

 

Edited July 14, 2018 by Wascana
grammar

[Argus]

18 hours ago, Wascana said:

Canada took a lot of refugees through Conservative years too. A lot more with Stephen Harper than Jean Chretien before I was born. Trudeau's first year actually took a lot less than any year with Stephen Harper.

You say left wing this, socialist that. Both both parties have been doing the same thing:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canada-welcomed-320000-immigrants-in-past-year-highest-number-since-1971/article32102991/

Your cite does not give numbers of refugees by year. How do you know the numbers were less in Trudeau's first year than any year with Stephan Harper?
I'll save you the trouble. Given he was actually sworn in in November of 2015 that is not Trudeau's first year in office. 2016 would be his first year, and the number of refugees that year was the highest since 1971. So you are clearly wrong just on that alone. The acceptance rate for refugee claims during Harper's last years in office were around 35%. They have jumped to 70% under Trudeau.

[Wascana]

53 minutes ago, Argus said:

Your cite does not give numbers of refugees by year. How do you know the numbers were less in Trudeau's first year than any year with Stephan Harper?
I'll save you the trouble. Given he was actually sworn in in November of 2015 that is not Trudeau's first year in office. 2016 would be his first year, and the number of refugees that year was the highest since 1971. So you are clearly wrong just on that alone. The acceptance rate for refugee claims during Harper's last years in office were around 35%. They have jumped to 70% under Trudeau.

I know you'd like to be wrong, but I'm not. Tough. The reference I gave does include refugee claims as part of immigration.

This also puts refugee claims in historical perspective:

https://globalnews.ca/news/3687694/asylum-claims-canada-numbers-compare-historical/

Conservative parties have been doing it as much as Liberals. Forevermore. That's just how it is. 

So if you don't like it, fine, but you can't just whine about Trudeau while doing it. Not if you actually care about the issue anyway.

[taxme]

On 7/13/2018 at 5:06 PM, Wascana said:

Canada took a lot of refugees through Conservative years too. A lot more with Stephen Harper than Jean Chretien before I was born. Trudeau's first year actually took a lot less than any year with Stephen Harper.

You say left wing this, socialist that. Both both parties have been doing the same thing:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canada-welcomed-320000-immigrants-in-past-year-highest-number-since-1971/article32102991/

 

 

True, all leaders of political party's have not done very much to try and stop illegals from entering into Canada illegally. Some like Trudeau though has pretty much become the leader in that department and has told all the world to come on over we are open for business. On Trudeau's watch he has been the worse by far for not trying to stop criminal illegal immigration but more of a promoter for it. Apparently, there are hundreds of criminal illegals entering Canada every day with no end in sight on top of the already tens of thousands that have crossed the border to date. So what if it costs the Canadian taxpayer's hundreds of millions of their tax dollars to feed, clothe and house these criminals every year? So who cares. All Canadians are bloody rich. As Trudeau says Canadians love their country and are all in favor of more diversity and multiculturalism. Funny thing is though I don't recall ever saying that? That one is a head scratcher for me. 

[Argus]

On ‎7‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 4:00 PM, Wascana said:

I know you'd like to be wrong, but I'm not. Tough.

Your claim was that refugee claims were lower in Trudeau's first year  than any year under Harper. Your own cite doesn't even show that. You get your own opinion. You don't get your own facts.  Here is a cite mentioning Trudeau's first year and the number of refugee claims.

Canada has admitted the largest number of refugees in a single year in nearly four decades, according to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

The resettlement of 46,700 refugees in 2016 marks a “tremendous achievement” and a record for Canada since 1978, when the Immigration Act came into effect, the UNHCR representative in Canada said Monday.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/record-number-of-refugees-admitted-to-canada-in-2016-highest-since-1980-1.3382444?autoPlay=true

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This also puts refugee claims in historical perspective:

There were a number of reasons for the previous high claims, including massive fraud. This was why Canada began to require visas from a lot more people before coming here, and why the government signed the safe third party agreement with the US. Here is a cite on the increase in acceptance rates of refugee claims under the Liberals.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/asylum-seekers-overview-data-1.4503825

 

 

Edited July 24, 2018 by Argus

[GostHacked]

On 8/7/2016 at 4:05 PM, betsy said:

The media tries to manipulate, and it doesn't give us accurate information when it suits them.

You haven't answered my question: how sure are you that he's autistic, or has mental issues?

Who verified this information? Is there real evidence?

The benefit of the doubt has to be with the cops at this point, after all they're our law enforcers and they answered to

a 911 call. The victim was resisting arrest.

Cops should NEVER get the benefit of the doubt. Cops lie just like anyone else. They are not above the law. 

A scenario I would like to see is that if a victim sues the police for compensation, I would rather see the cop loose his/her job,  all benefits, and their pension/retirement plan. Suing the police/city only means taxpayers are going to pay for the settlement.  Take a cops future away and you will guarantee you will see changes with the police.

[GostHacked]

On 8/6/2016 at 7:34 PM, Argus said:

Really? Suppose Paul Bernardo is escaping? Should police not shoot at his getaway car in hopes they catch him sometime later?

But in any event, it's not like the police TRIED to kill him, or WANTED to kill him. They were simply trying to get him under control.

And yet his cohort who is also the victim's sister is living free and has children.  She should have never been let out of prison.

[GostHacked]

On 7/31/2016 at 12:55 PM, Argus said:

 

That isn't always relevant, never mind possible. In this event they were dealing with a man who was groping women, who was physically restrained by witnesses, who broke free and ran away when police arrived, who resisted arrest. Police are authorized and required to use whatever level of force is needed to affect his arrest. If that kills him, well, so be it. Don't resist arrest, and you aren't likely to get beaten and pepper sprayed.

This is false. I've seen countless videos online of cops going off on citizens and beating the fuck out of them for simple traffic violations. Now mind you that is a lot in the US and the UK, but I have also seen Canadian cops in video acting like thugs instead of police.

 

[Argus]

54 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

And yet his cohort who is also the victim's sister is living free and has children.  She should have never been let out of prison.

No idea what you're talking about here. In the case that was discussed the suspect had no 'cohort', by which I presume you mean accomplice.

[Argus]

52 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

This is false. I've seen countless videos online of cops going off on citizens and beating the fuck out of them for simple traffic violations. Now mind you that is a lot in the US and the UK, but I have also seen Canadian cops in video acting like thugs instead of police.

I'm more than willing to accept that some cops screw up, but I doubt beatings just fall from the sky for no reason very often. And they certainly didn't in this case.

[taxme]

On 7/24/2018 at 1:42 PM, Argus said:

Your claim was that refugee claims were lower in Trudeau's first year  than any year under Harper. Your own cite doesn't even show that. You get your own opinion. You don't get your own facts.  Here is a cite mentioning Trudeau's first year and the number of refugee claims.

Canada has admitted the largest number of refugees in a single year in nearly four decades, according to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

The resettlement of 46,700 refugees in 2016 marks a “tremendous achievement” and a record for Canada since 1978, when the Immigration Act came into effect, the UNHCR representative in Canada said Monday.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/record-number-of-refugees-admitted-to-canada-in-2016-highest-since-1980-1.3382444?autoPlay=true

There were a number of reasons for the previous high claims, including massive fraud. This was why Canada began to require visas from a lot more people before coming here, and why the government signed the safe third party agreement with the US. Here is a cite on the increase in acceptance rates of refugee claims under the Liberals.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/asylum-seekers-overview-data-1.4503825

 

 

46,700 illegal criminal refugees and no doubt still more to come. Hey, just another 950,000 more illegals and we can tie ourselves up with Germany. 

[dialamah]

5 hours ago, Argus said:

I'm more than willing to accept that some cops screw up, but I doubt beatings just fall from the sky for no reason very often. And they certainly didn't in this case.

Bet if it was a cop named Mohammed, you'd have a different reaction.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Bet if it was a cop named Mohammed, you'd have a different reaction.

Your betting skills, like your IQ, would appear to be rather low.

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Grow up and stop trolling. 

[GostHacked]

On 9/28/2018 at 12:24 PM, Argus said:

I'm more than willing to accept that some cops screw up, but I doubt beatings just fall from the sky for no reason very often. And they certainly didn't in this case.

OH yes cops do screw up. They are human after all. But should this behavior be acceptable??  What warrants a cop beating a person cuffed to a bed that was already restrained? There are enough vids on youtube alone showing how short fused a lot of cops are.  Cops also lie a lot in court but since some would take a cop's word over yours, then we have a guilty till proven innocent scenario. Which is the opposite of how all this works from what I've been taught.

There are some take downs where I have no problem with the amount of force needed, there are clear examples of that online to contrast the terrible short fused cops. But Even when there are clear examples of police abuse, the cops often get off without a single consequence for their actions.

However there are some cases where you cannot argue with the video. 

 

[Argus]

4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

OH yes cops do screw up. They are human after all. But should this behavior be acceptable??  What warrants a cop beating a person cuffed to a bed that was already restrained?

I dunno. What? Kicking him in the nuts count? Spitting in his face? Or do you think the cop just randomly decided to beat some completely innocent guy cuffed to a bed?