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No I am not. I am pointing out you try personally attack people who support Israel

Why the double standard? Almost every one of your posts include accusations of anti-semitism against someone. Are you some special (or should I say, chosen) individual who is above the rules you insist people should follow?

I attack ideas that go against humanity. I attack ideas that are unjust and untruthful. You seem to have a problem with that.

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Where else would they put them? I am not being facetious, but you are not dealing with a recognized standing military. It is guerilla warfare in essence.

Not many places to hide in the West Bank or Gaza.

Maybe they should also stop the fighting. Why only Israel?

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Sure...want to discuss the early space program? I'm extremely well versed in that.

Overall irrelevant, but shows the notion that even the USA loved Nazis.

It's ethics, principles and morality that's at issue not rocketry.

As much as one would try to explain that, it does not get through, so is it a tactic of playing dumb?? Could be. Nah, that would not happen here.

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Overall irrelevant, but shows the notion that even the USA loved Nazis.

As much as one would try to explain that, it does not get through, so is it a tactic of playing dumb?? Could be. Nah, that would not happen here.

Von Braun is somewhat of an exception when it comes to SS men. The SS took over his rocket program and everybody had to join to continue working. Himmler threw him in prison for not towing the line.

He visited Dora Mittelbau and did see the conditions, but was powerless to do anything about it...if that's what you're on about. Otherwise he was pretty much restricted to Peenemunde by the SS...a prisoner, as it were.

He was also a prisoner of the US Army for MANY years before becoming a US citizen and the designing the incredible Saturn V...his real life's work.

It was either the US getting him or the Soviets. I prefer the USA. Don't you?

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Being an anti-intellectual, I doubt you know anything about Von Braun.

He was a Nazi which the US made a deal and brought him over to start the US's rocket program. IF there are no good Muslims, there are no good Nazis.

Anti-intellectual means you despise the educated...as you do.

I despise the ignorant.

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No I didn't. I brought it up because you tried to laugh off the mistrust and suspicion about the organ stealing by Israel, as conspiracy theory. When in reality, Israel has been caught stealing Palestinian organs.

I believe, as a Canadian, I have to push my country to distance itself from countries who commit crimes.

Right. So why haven't you pushed "your country" to distance itself from Russia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Sudan, Bahrain, Yemen?

Your script isn't about calling out "countries" who commiit crimes, its about ignoring Muslim countries and any country that commits "crimes" except Israel. More to the point its about ignoring Muslim terrorists. By using the word "country" in your response to me you ignore ISIL, Al Quaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, Fatah. PFLP, Intifada, Islamic Jihad, Boka Raton nd Muslim extremist terrorists who are not officially countries.

Its your very selectivity as evidenced in your responses to me and others, the content, timing and choice of what you choose to

discuss that renders you lacking in any credibility.

You aren't here to push Canada to distance itself from countries committing crimes. You are here to single out Israel and limit your comments to Israel and use words when doing so that smeer all Israelis, all Zionists and all Jews and incites hatred.

You aren't here to discuss anything other than a rigid narrow script to the point now where there is zero change of wording between you and BIg Guy who also poses as a Canadian urging Canada to distance itself from Israel. The act is so identical and so blatant

you Sir need to move on and understand just as your script is to flood this board and incite hatred against Israel, mine is to defend it.

The clear difference between us is when I write I do not smeer all Palestinians or Muslims as you do Jews and Israelis and Zionists.

The cancer reference, the good Jew bad Jew routine, its all there and its going to be challenged every time you come on this board

and incite intolerance against Jews and Israelis.

Get this clear, if you or the people threading this board about Israeli crimes really cared about Palestinians you wouldn't be limiting your comments to demonizing Israel you'd be discussing finding peace with Israel.

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Israel is being punished for its "war crimes" with a new 10-year, $38 billion defense agreement with the United States:

The United States and Israel have reached final agreement on a record new package of at least $38 billion in U.S. military aid and the 10-year pact is expected to be signed this week, sources close to the matter told Reuters on Tuesday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-israel-idUSKCN11J12R

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If Canada distances itself from those that commit crimes, we'll have no allies left. If other countries follow our lead, they won't want to be our ally because of some of things we do. We should, as allies and friends and fellow human beings, try to remind and even pressure other countries to behave humanely, but not call them our enemy or completely shun and isolate them, that will only make matters worse, and often proud nations will just thumb their nose and dig their heels in even more. Look at Russia or North Korea.

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How can you be an SS man and NOT be a Nazi? Like how can you be a Muslim and NOT be a terrorist.

I think you transposed your analogy. And I'm not the usual one to be pointing that out.

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How can you be an SS man and NOT be a Nazi? Like how can you be a Muslim and NOT be a terrorist.

Not such a good Nazi. He sucked at the whole Nazi thing. As mentioned Himmler, head of the SS and a his boss...threw Von Braun in prison for treason...treason for wanting to build a rocket to the Moon rather than blow-up London.

It was considered 'defeatist.'

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Why the double standard? Almost every one of your posts include accusations of anti-semitism against someone. Are you some special (or should I say, chosen) individual who is above the rules you insist people should follow?

I attack ideas that go against humanity. I attack ideas that are unjust and untruthful. You seem to have a problem with that.

Zero double standard. If and when I accuse a poster of anti Semitism I point out their words that specifically apply a double standard to Jews or insult Jews. By the way trying to reinvent yourself to the status of "almost every one" as a tactic to avoid taking responsibility for your specific words

and hiding behind "we" is transparent.

Double standard. Find one post, one word from me where I have smeered all Palestinians, all Arabs, all Muslims as you have Israelis, Jews, Zionists.

Go on finish what you started, Find one post. You know where to find me.

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Overall irrelevant, but shows the notion that even the USA loved Nazis.

You smeer all Americans. You suggest because the US government after WW2 took in German scientists this gives you the right to state the entire nation loved Nazis. This coming from someone who has come on the board and complained people don't distinguish German citizens from Nazis and smeer them all as the same.

Tell me can you write one post without smeering the people of the entire nation? You blame all Israelis for the alleged actions of its government and/or IDF, now smeer all Americans as loving Nazis. Oh do continue.

Once again you show your true colours. I had an Uncle who was a foot soldier die in the US army fighting Nazis and another served as a psychiatrist in the US Army and wrote profiles used to understand the psychology of Nazism and to assist in investigations at Nuremberg.

I know many Americans who sacrificed in WW2 and had they not entered the war as Churchill has openly stated, Britain could not have survived the onslaught of Hitler and Hitler would not have been defeated. You think love of Nazis is what won the war?

What because Henry Ford was pro Nazi all Americans are? Please continue/

You really want to piss on the memory of Amerian people who died fighting Nazis and the sacrifice they made to defeat Hitler? Please continue.

Right. Nice to know though you are as ignorant and bigoted in smeer approach against Americans as you are Israelis.

Next your selecting out the US and no other country is interesting. Why? Why don't you mention the number of Nazis who fled to Syria, Iraq and Egypt and ran their governments after WW2? How about all the scientists that ended up in Moscow?

Well? Hey now Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil? We need Mr. Snowden to leak the details?

Of course you are now going to tell me you are "Canadian". Got it. Another "Canadian" oblivious about Canada's role in talking in Nazis.

Go on deny this:

source:http://www.torontosun.com/2016/06/19/last-nazi-trial-canada-has-been-haven-for-nazi-war-criminals

" To our shame, we have been a haven for Nazi war criminals.

“Canada has a very problematic record, I have to say,” notes Dr. Efraim Zuroff, chief Nazi hunter for the Simon Wiesenthal Centre in Israel. “The Americans have been very successful and the Canadians have not.”

An estimated 2,000 Nazi war criminals quietly slipped into Canada following the Second World War and the government did virtually nothing for 40 years. In 1985, prime minster Brian Mulroney established the Deschenes Commission to look into how war criminals managed to immigrate to Canada. Its recommendations led to the Canada War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity Act, passed in 1987, which gave Canadian courts the jurisdiction to prosecute the estimated 20 war criminals still living in this country.

It was a dismal failure.

After eight years without a single criminal conviction, Canada decided to switch to the American method of stripping ex-Nazis of their citizenship and seeking their deportation. “Since 1994, they’ve won 10 denaturalizations. Two voluntarily left Canada and not a single one of the eight who stayed to fight were deported. Seven died and just one is left,” Zuroff complains.

“It’s endless in Canada. The appeals just go on and on.” "

and deny this:

source: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/thousands-of-nazis-escaped-across-the-world-including-to-canada-book

Gerald Steinacher, author of Nazis on the Run: How Hitler’s Henchmen Escaped Justice, probes newly opened files from the International Committee of the Red Cross and other war-era archives to reconstruct the strategies of evasion and routes to freedom used by potential war-crimes suspects, including SS officers, National Socialist Party officials and other possible perpetrators of Holocaust-era atrocities.

As many as 8,000 ex-Nazis whose wartime activities should have been probed by Allied authorities reached Canada or Britain by questionable means, Steinacher found, though even more made their way through Italy to Spain or South America to live out their lives."

and deny this:

https://off-guardian.org/2015/04/26/canada-represents-a-reservoir-of-support-for-ukrainian-neo-nazis/

Yah you are Canadian. I know you know all about the Deschenes report it just slipped your mind:

http://www.lop.parl.gc.ca/content/lop/researchpublications/873-e.htm

The point is this. You select out Israel and the US as questionable countries. No one else.

In so doing you tried to change the subject of the thread which was and remains an attempt to ignore the conflicts in the Middle East and their deep ties to Islam and how they have transpired non stop since the 7th century.

Your agenda like the others you support is to select out partisan slivers of history and ignore the rest to create double standards for the US and Israel.

Here is another thing for you keep in mind. The torture of Jews in Nazi camps provided technology after these same scientists were then brought to the West. Some of it was used to make weapons. However the vast majority of it went into creating medicine and protective devices still used to this day and you use.

Out of the grim torture and inhumanity of Jews and other Nazi victims came technology that has gone on to save millions of lives and is now sold as consumer products you use. You so sure you want to point a finger at Yanks that fast? Look in your own medicine cabinet.

Now in regards to this thread you show vividly how you select which war criminal you want to notice. That selectivity renders your

your very comments partisan and therefore incomplete.

Singling out Israel or the US is no more valid than trying to blame all Muslims for the terrorists hijacking their society.

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It's ethics, principles and morality that's at issue not rocketry.

Really. Show me one post from you where you discussed the "ethics", "principles" and "morality" of Hamas tactics, of Palestinians who stab unarmed civilians, of Palestinian and Muslim extremists who use hospitals, schools, homes, innocent civilians as shields.

Spare me the bullsheeyit. You are here for one reason-to join in a chorus that will only select out and insult Israel for existing as a Jewish state by

using the pretext all its people are criminals.

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You smeer all Americans. You suggest because the US government after WW2 took in German scientists this gives you the right to state the entire nation loved Nazis. This coming from someone who has come on the board and complained people don't distinguish German citizens from Nazis and smeer them all as the same.

Without agreeing with the poster to whom you are responding, I think there is a very serious argument that the U.S. government was ambivalent it its opposition to the Nazis. That is beyond the scope of a thread on Israeli war crimes. I may very well write such a thread in the future but I don’t know if I’ll use it here or elsewhere, because of the severe cross-posting rules.

An estimated 2,000 Nazi war criminals quietly slipped into Canada following the Second World War and the government did virtually nothing for 40 years. In 1985, prime minster Brian Mulroney established the Deschenes Commission to look into how war criminals managed to immigrate to Canada. Its recommendations led to the Canada War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity Act, passed in 1987, which gave Canadian courts the jurisdiction to prosecute the estimated 20 war criminals still living in this country.

I don’t think Canada and the U.S. have an unmixed record with regard to Nazis and Nazism. They ran what amounted to show trials at Nuremberg. What is closer to this thread subject is the upset of the “world community” when Israeli commandos snatched Adolph Eichmann out of Argentina, gave him a real trial and hanged him.

Singling out Israel or the US is no more valid than trying to blame all Muslims for the terrorists hijacking their society.

We agree here.

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