Israeli War Crimes - Part 2

[GostHacked]

1. When have you been on the West Bank? What year, month and time? Where did you travel?

When was the last time you where there?

Meaning might makes right which explains the uninterrupted violence.

There's really nothing criminal going on in the ME at all, never has been.

Might IS right, we see that. So if the Arabs cannot complain, I can't see why the Jews need to complain.

[eyeball]

It is a fatal flaw to look at historical situations like North America through the lens of 21st century morality.

At least as fatal as using the morality of the past as an excuse for doing nothing to change the present.

[bush_cheney2004]

You continue to try to convince yourself and others and if I'm in the mood, I'll continue to point to your terrible comparisons. Others, can be the judge for their own decisions.

Reality doesn't care if anybody is convinced. Whining about "war crimes" while still committing them is high drama.

[Rue]

This did happen:

Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

Yes Israel at one point and according to the post you refer to:

"Channel 2 TV reported that in the 1990s, specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives."

Originally it was reported they were taken from children and Palestinians who were alive.

Then the rumours stated Israel was selling the organs for profit and went to Haiti to harvest organs after the earth quake.

In fact Abbas still blatantly lies about it.

Here are examplea of how this story has been falsified:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/time-magazine-forced-retract-anti-israel-allegation/

http://www.haaretz.com/news/guardian-our-israeli-organ-harvesting-headline-was-serious-error-1.1451

Riyad Mansour, THE Permanent Observer of Palestine Authority at the UN on Nov. 3, 2015 sent a letter to the UN Security Council (its President at the time, Matthew Rycroft of Britain) accusing Israel of harvesting organs of Palestinians.

Reuters ran the story the next day without checking it out for authenticity.

It was exposed as a complete falsehood and Reuters showed its not so subtle anti Israel bias.

Hey not withstanding the accusation was proven false PA President and holocaust denier Mahmoud Abbas continued to repeat the lie that Israel “executed” a 13-year old boy, Ahmed Manasra to harvest his organs. In ends up Manasra was in fact being treated in an Israeli hospital for injuries sustained from being hit by a car while fleeing after he and his cousin stabbed and nearly murdered a 13-year-old Jewish child when Abbas spread t hat lie.

It is absolutely true that at one point, Israel took organs from its own citizens, soldiers and Palestinian terrorists. It did so because ein Israel, Jewish and Muslim laws prevent harvesting of organs.

So the organs were taken from the dead and used on Israelis of all religions.

It was most certainly problematic and it was stopped when ethical issues were raised by Jewish groups and Muslim groups of Israeli citizens.

Then the PA and Hamas and anti Israeli journalists began spreading false stories.

I mean look at the way even Husdon Jones responded being oh so careful to respond to make it seem only Palestinian organs were harvested.

He just couldn't resist taking the bait and showing once again how you can take a story and manipulate and exploit it for partisan reasons.

For centuries Jews were accused of what is known as the blood libel.The early blood libel in fact continues to be repeated to this day and consists of the false accusation that Jews murdered an for that matter still murder Gentile children to use their blood for religious purposes. Its run all the time on Palestinian t.v. and on the t.v.'s in many Arab nations.

This libel probably originates in medieval Europe, but when the Palestinian terror groups found out about organs being taken for medical reasons, they jumped on it suggesting Israel sells the organs world wide, does all kinds of blood rituals, on and on.

By the way there has always been an illegal trade of body organs in Arab countries precisely because of Muslim laws prohibiting the harvest of organs.

Wealthy Arabs pay organ brokers who take the kidneys and other organs from Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans, Africans, Fillipinos, Indonesians.

There have been Israelis in organized mobs like mobsters in other countries, who have involved themselves in trading organs, however its not specific to Israel and never was. Its like saying child prostitution exists only in Israel.

In fact harvesting of organs from the dead in war zones has been around since transplant technology has been around and it often is used to fund terrorists or make certain organized criminals rich. When you trace the organized mobs behind it, you suddenly find its the same mobs dealing ith child pornography and trafficking of children, women for sex and refugees and gun dealers.

Yes no doubt Hudson Jones et al would love to claim its a phenomena particular to Israel. He couldn't resist.

Here you want to see how this shtick works using the dead for Palestinian terror propaganda, be my guest:

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2015/11/terorrist-mom-is-very-proud-and-now-her.html#.vjzz8rertgf

[Rue]

When was the last time you where there?

Might IS right, we see that. So if the Arabs cannot complain, I can't see why the Jews need to complain.

Recently. That is all the info you get. More importantly I lived there. I worked with Palestinians. I saw my friends and innocent people die in Israel.

Things and events you don't get to question but make me want to puke when I read crap from people who have no clue about the West Bank, Gaza nd Palestinians and claim to talk for them.

The same kind of people who try suggest people like me and Israelis hate Palestinians.

The same kind of people that make bull sheeyit generalizations as if all Israelis are criminals but get all up in arms if someone suggests Islam is a violent religion because they feel its an unfair generalization.

If you or your other arm chair experts ever go over to the land we are talking about, you will see just how small it is, how confined it is for both Jews and Musims and you will be greatily disappointed to know that most Palestinians like Israelis detest terrorism, the terror cells who hold them hostage and want the same things-fresh water, a place to work or farm, a place to live without fear.

Do me a favour don't ask questions you don't really want answers for.

Better still, tell me I have never been to Israel. Go on spit it out. Lol.

[Rue]

Meaning might makes right which explains the uninterrupted violence.

There's really nothing criminal going on in the ME at all, never has been.

No it does not mean that at all. You added that inference. Its called squatter's rights. The fact you don't understand the

law is one thing I get. The fact you then try be smarmy and infer something he law does not say is something else.

More to the point "might is right" is not the concept in any real estate law or for that matter any law in the Western world.

"Might is right" is some bull sheeyit moral issue you want to raise and suggest the law condones.

The reason squatter rights exist is because of the impracticality of moving people who live uninterrupted and establish roots.

Its an international legal concept not based on right but practicality.

Just so we are clear if you asked me what my moral belief is I would have told you. You didn't. You try infer it indirectly with your

comment and suggest Israel's rights only came about by belligerent occupation and I support that.

That is your selective, partisan, take on the conflict.

You ignore the role of the Arab League, the law of defacto recognition of borders, the right to self defence, etc.

You ignore the laws that don't suit your narrative and you probably also ignore the laws because as you said you don't read more than a few words before your attention span short circuits. You probably wouldn't get through a sentence of the case laws or conventions or treaties you woud be required to read to understand the legal concepts you think you understand to then understand they are not based on might but many other principals.

[eyeball]

No it does not mean that at all. You added that inference. Its called squatter's rights.

Yes it does mean that and rather explicitly when squatters use force to establish those rights

[Altai]

Turkish descented Dutch politician rejects to shake hand with Israel politician and show him Palestine flag LoL

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Edited September 7, 2016 by Michael Hardner
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[TimG]

Turkish descented Dutch politician rejects to shake hand with Israel politician and show him Palestine flag

Anti-semetism is something to be proud of? Perhaps the Israelis should refuse to shake the hand of a Turkish politician and show them a Kurdish flag. Frankly, it is pretty pathetic that any Turk thinks they have any right to criticism the Israel given the Turkish track record on the Kurds or the Amenians.

[Altai]

Anti-semetism is something to be proud of? Perhaps the Israelis should refuse to shake the hand of a Turkish politician and show them a Kurdish flag. Frankly, it is pretty pathetic that any Turk thinks they have any right to criticism the Israel given the Turkish track record on the Kurds or the Amenians.

Yes ofcourse you can do it. Criticizing illegal movements of someones is not a racist behavior.

[TimG]

Yes ofcourse you can do it. Criticizing illegal movements of someones is not a racist behavior.

It is racist when you ignore how much the Turks abuse the Kurds.

[Altai]

It is racist when you ignore how much the Turks abuse the Kurds.

LoL, your posts makes me laugh

[TimG]

your posts makes me laugh

The fact that you are in so much denial about how Turkey abuses the Kurds makes me sad.

Arabs have more rights in Israel than Kurds have in Turkey.

Edited September 7, 2016 by TimG

[Rue]

Yes it does mean that and rather explicitly when squatters use force to establish those rights

The vast majority of squatters are itinerants, migrants, refugees,. Most move because of weather, i.e., draught, flooding, famine, earth-quakes or civil wars.

For the most part squatters are not violent. You are confusing international law once again with your clearly preconceived notion of what you probably think goes on outside your gated neighbourhood? Lol you sound frightened that someone swarthy is coming to your neighbourhood?

Edited September 7, 2016 by Rue

[Rue]

Turkish descented Dutch politician rejects to shake hand with Israel politician and show him Palestine flag LoL

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What is funny about this? How is it related to the thread?

[Altai]

What is funny about this? How is it related to the thread?

Yes it is funny It is a protest against "war crimes" of Israel and all the other illegal actions of it. Related with the topic.

[Rue]

Yes ofcourse you can do it. Criticizing illegal movements of someones is not a racist behavior.

In the case of Turkey it is two faced. Turkey does to Kurds exactly what they claim Israel does to Palestinians. Turkey has done to Armenians exactly what it claims Israel has done to Palestinians. Turkey finances and has sheltered Muslim terrorist cells since Erdogan took power.

You really want to point fingers at Israel? How about you start in your own back yard:

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/turkey

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/turkey/report-turkey/

http://www.voanews.com/a/amnesty-calls-turkeys-campaign-against-kurds-collective-punishment/3155683.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_of_Kurdish_people_in_Turkey

https://www.thenation.com/article/turkey-is-fighting-a-dirty-war-against-its-own-kurdish-population/

Before you judge other countries take a look at the history of your country. Maybe you should learn about what your beloved

country did to Assyrians as well.

The Ottoman Empire was responsible for many genocides not just with Assyrians, Armenians and now Kurds.

Here you are laughing at being belligerent with Israel and pointing fingers at Israel and others while you support

a leader who trained and financed DAESH, housed and financed Al Quaeda and countless other terrorist cells

including Hamas and Hezbollah.

This is a man who just a week ago arrested 43,000 lowly civil servants.

Erdogan is a two bit dictator who has broken every law in your country to stay in power.

[Rue]

Yes it is funny It is a protest against "war crimes" of Israel and all the other illegal actions of it. Related with the topic.

So if I protest against Turkey's treatment of Kurds and the illegal crack down and arrest of hundreds of thousands in Turkey is that a giggle tee hee as well?

[Rue]

Yes ofcourse you can do it. Criticizing illegal movements of someones is not a racist behavior.

Some of us read the words of Erdogan and the people he supports. They aren't protesting illegal settlements on the

West Bank. They cheer on the destruction of the state of Israel.

You really want to play that shtick that its only about illegal settlements? Really? Lol. Sure. Whatever.

[GostHacked]

Recently. That is all the info you get. More importantly I lived there. I worked with Palestinians. I saw my friends and innocent people die in Israel.

So where you living now? And I guess the more appropriate question is .. why?

[GostHacked]

Yes it does mean that and rather explicitly when squatters use force to establish those rights

We have heard what rhetoric happens when it's the other way around. It's a one way street apparently.

[jbg]

Get real buddy.

There is a big difference between having disputes and launching airplanes, helicopters, tanks and a military who shoot and kill at anything that moves. Even women and children with a white flag in their hand, wanting to escape a building that is being bombed are okay to kill. Why? Because the Israeli government will do what it can to sweep it under the rug. There is a big difference between how Canada treats the natives and how Israel tears down Palestinian homes, killing, injuring and jailing protesters. Putting children in indefinite detentions. Creating Jew-only roads, towns and facilities. Creating cantons, separated by Jewish only roads. Cutting off towns from each other and hospitals by illegal walls. Making children walk miles to school, only to be harassed by religious zealots who have taken over their homes and lands.

It woiuld be far better if the Palestinians weren't putting missile and rocket launchers into civilian apartment buildings.

[Altai]

In the case of Turkey it is two faced. Turkey does to Kurds exactly what they claim Israel does to Palestinians. Turkey has done to Armenians exactly what it claims Israel has done to Palestinians. Turkey finances and has sheltered Muslim terrorist cells since Erdogan took power.

You really want to point fingers at Israel? How about you start in your own back yard:

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/turkey

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/turkey/report-turkey/

http://www.voanews.com/a/amnesty-calls-turkeys-campaign-against-kurds-collective-punishment/3155683.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_of_Kurdish_people_in_Turkey

https://www.thenation.com/article/turkey-is-fighting-a-dirty-war-against-its-own-kurdish-population/

Before you judge other countries take a look at the history of your country. Maybe you should learn about what your beloved

country did to Assyrians as well.

The Ottoman Empire was responsible for many genocides not just with Assyrians, Armenians and now Kurds.

Here you are laughing at being belligerent with Israel and pointing fingers at Israel and others while you support

a leader who trained and financed DAESH, housed and financed Al Quaeda and countless other terrorist cells

including Hamas and Hezbollah.

This is a man who just a week ago arrested 43,000 lowly civil servants.

Erdogan is a two bit dictator who has broken every law in your country to stay in power.

LoL you blamed me of posting out of the topic but currently you are posting out of the topic. You need to start another topic If you want to discuss about politics of Turkiye and I will reply your false claims.

Edited September 8, 2016 by Altai

[GostHacked]

It woiuld be far better if the Palestinians weren't putting missile and rocket launchers into civilian apartment buildings.

Where else would they put them? I am not being facetious, but you are not dealing with a recognized standing military. It is guerilla warfare in essence.

Not many places to hide in the West Bank or Gaza.

[DogOnPorch]

So Hamas is forced to store missiles in UN schools. Poor guys...