America under President Trump

[?Impact]

US District Judge Ann Donnelly issues a temporary stay order against Trump's executive order to deport people from the seven countries.

[The_Squid]

It's well known that political chaos is good for business!   Trump, being a great business man, is just creating the right atmosphere for investment....   

[marcus]

8 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

That's right.....the rest are all BANNED !     So sad, eh ?

Not Saudi, Egypt and Qatar where most of the 9/11 terrorist came from and most of the funding for Al Qaeda and Islamic State comes from.

How does this ban make sense if those countries are not on it?

[bush_cheney2004]

11 minutes ago, marcus said:

Not Saudi, Egypt and Qatar where most of the 9/11 terrorist came from and most of the funding for Al Qaeda and Islamic State comes from.

How does this ban make sense if those countries are not on it?

 

We don't now what levels of cooperation these other nations are providing for counter-terrorism compared to those on the list.   The Saudis are fighting a proxy war with Iran (e.g. Yemen).  The U.S. government is not going to provide a list of criteria and scoring for each country in the world for obvious reasons.  I expect that President Trump's national security team is relying on intel and threat assessments already developed by the previous administration since he has only been in office for a week.

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 11/21/2016 at 3:51 PM, Argus said:

I'm not interested in your desire to change laws. Take it to another topic. This one is about why the Canadian courts are so slow as compared to the UK and US, among others. Since both have harsher laws on drugs and prostitution than we do this cannot be said to be the cause.

Sorry commented in the wrong place, My apology.

Edited January 29, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

Though I can understand the sediments and the reasons for ban but Countries selected by Trump were stupid and chosen based on politics. Iran for example among the 7 countries chosen has the most pro-American population and is the least religious in middle east, whereas Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and Egypt and UAE NOT among the 7 countries have the most anti-American and most religious fanatics. In fact the 2001 World Trade Center attack (and terrorist attacks thereafter) was carried out by nationals of those countries. There has been no terrorist attack by any Iranian against US targets. The countries were selected not as a safety measure but based on politics. If their government was friendly to US then they escape a ban and if the government was unfriendly than a ban was imposed and we all know in those dictatorships governments don't represent the people. Idiot Trump is punishing his friends and awarding his enemies. There are many scientists now barred from entering the US. As they said politics is dirty and Trump's way is the dirtiest of all. It shows how stupid and dumb average Americans are when their top politician is so stupid.

Edited January 29, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

 ...There has been no terrorist attack by any Iranian against US targets.

 

False...Iranian sponsored terrorist attacks have been conducted against U.S. embassies and other locations.  Iran has sponsored terrorist organizations for decades.

The United States is a sovereign state and can bar entry to any foreign national for any reason, or no reason at all.   This includes Canadians.

[CITIZEN_2015]

26 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

False...Iranian sponsored terrorist attacks have been conducted against U.S. embassies and other locations.  Iran has sponsored terrorist organizations for decades.

The United States is a sovereign state and can bar entry to any foreign national for any reason, or no reason at all.   This includes Canadians.

A dumb comment and it comes as a no surprise to me (No offense intended but you must be American). Those terrorist attacks were conducted by the governments not by the people of Iran (they are well known to be state sponsored terrorism but the 2001 attack was not state sponsored by say Saudi government)). The two (the nations and the self imposed governments ruling by massive imprisonments, torture, executions) are two SEPARATE entities. In those countries people have no choice as who is in the government or what form of government they have. Unlike the US there is no democratic election. Whereas in US the people are responsible for the actions of their government because they are elected democratically.

 

Just to clarify something. Are you denying that Iran has the most pro-US or pro-Western population in the middle east? and they were chosen to be banned. If you do then you know nothing about politics,

Edited January 29, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

... Are you denying that Iran has the most pro-US or pro-Western population in the middle east? and they were chosen to be banned. If you do then you know nothing about politics,

 

A "dumb comment" considering that Israel is in the Middle East and is the most "pro-US" nation in the region.

Iranians and Iran are responsible for terrorist attacks against the U.S. and allies in the region no matter what kind of sorry ass excuses are made.

The U.S. can ban entry to any foreign national it chooses, and there is nothing you can do about it.

 

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

Another dumb comment. Israel maybe geographically located in middle east but most of its citizens are from Europe or their ancestors are. When I said Iran has the most pro-American, pro-Western populations in middle east I meant among the Muslim nations and you knew it but you tried to avoid the question and refused to accept that you are wrong by a manipulative response including Israel in the analysis. So bush_cheney, among all the muslim counties in Mid east do you accept or deny that Iran has the most pro-American population?????. Answer this at least.

Yes the US is a sovereign country and apparently they do what they want (including staging a military coup in Iran in 1953 overthrowing a democratically elected government and killing democracy in Iran forever) but so is Iran and Iran has banned US citizens from entering Iran in response.

 

Trump is no better than Russian dictators who built the Berlin wall. He is building many walls. America will be disgraced in the world during his presidency.They always say Fascism and Communism are the same points on a circle. They are correct.

Edited January 29, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Another dumb comment. Israel maybe geographically located in middle east not most of its citizens are from Europe or their ancestors are. When I said Iran has the most pro_US pro-Western populations in middle east I meant among the Muslim nations and you knew it but you tried to avoid the question and accept that you are wrong by a manipulative response including Israel in the analysis. So among all the muslim counties in Mid east do you accept or deny that Iran has the most pro-American population?????. Answer this at least.

 

Since you have acknowledged your huge mistake I will provide you with the correct answer.   For polled nations in the ME excluding Israel, Lebanon has the highest favourable rating for the United States (Pew Research Center) at 39%.   Most likely because of the large minority Christian population.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/06/23/1-americas-global-image/

 

Iranians have a more unfavourable view of the U.S:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-02-03/new-poll-says-iranians-like-zarif-dislike-us

 

[Argus]

So among the less noticed of Trump's decisions this weekend was revamping the national security council. Trump knowing more about ISIS and everything else than the generals, as he has stated already, he decided the joints chief of staff were not needed on the council. And in any case he had a much more knowledgeable replacement. Steve Bannon....

And you people are all worried about a few immigrants who can't go to the US!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38787241

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

So among the less noticed of Trump's decisions this weekend was revamping the national security council.

 

Oh, it got plenty of notice in the U.S., just not in Canada !

[CITIZEN_2015]

17 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Since you have acknowledged your huge mistake I will provide you with the correct answer.   For polled nations in the ME excluding Israel, Lebanon has the highest favourable rating for the United States (Pew Research Center) at 39%.   Most likely because of the large minority Christian population.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/06/23/1-americas-global-image/

 

Iranians have a more unfavourable view of the U.S:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-02-03/new-poll-says-iranians-like-zarif-dislike-us

 

In your link Iran is not even listed. And my question was among muslim countries and you admittded yourself that Lebanan is 39% Christian as why.

My point was Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, UAE were not among the 7 selected countries. Do you acknowledge or refuse to accept (blindly) than Iranians are more pro-American than those countries I listed????

And learn a bit about Iranian society:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/28/opinions/mason-iran-misunderstood/

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0119/p09s02-coop.html

 

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

My point was Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, UAE were not among the 7 selected countries. Do you acknowledge or refuse to accept (blindly) than Iranians are more pro-American than those countries I listed????

 

I know more about Iran than you can ever learn from America's Google.   Iranians are not the most "pro-American", no matter how progressive you choose to present them.   The "reformers" have consistently failed to gain power or majority support among the population.   My university roommate was Iranian (Persian)...he died in the Iran-Iraq War (Iranian Navy).

Edited January 29, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[CITIZEN_2015]

10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The "reformers" have consistently failed to gain power or majority support among the population.   My university roommate was Iranian (Persian)...he died in the Iran-Iraq War.

This comment alone shows how little you know about Iran politics. The reason the reformers failed to gain power was NOT because they didn't have enough support among people for God's sake. All I say is educate yourself and the fact that you have a Persian roommate some 40 years ago does not make you an Iranian expert. The under 40 in Iran today are the majority and they are pro-American. 40 years ago memories of 1953 coup by CIA and Britain and the Shah's rule kept in power by America was fresh in people's memory. Those days are gone for long.

Edited January 29, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This comment alone shows how little you know about Iran politics. The reason the reformers failed to gain power was NOT because they didn't have enough support among people for God's sake. All I say is educate yourself and the fact that you have a Persian roommate some 40 years ago does not make you an Iranian expert. The under 40 in Iran today are the majority and they are pro_American. 40 years ago memories of 1953 coup by CIA and Britain and the Shah's rule kept in power by America was fresh in people's memory. Those days are gone for long.

 

Nonsense....the under 40 terrorists don't care what you think about them in Canada.   They are still sponsoring and training terrorists for a proxy war against the Saudis and terror attacks against Israel.   Their human rights violations are commonly reported in Canada....against Canadians. 

Iran is not the most "pro-American" population in the ME for Muslim nations.   They still chant, "Death to America".

Iranians with cash and a like for the West fled to the USA....more than 500,000 emigres or with Iranian ancestry.

Edited January 29, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[CITIZEN_2015]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Nonsense....the under 40 terrorists don't care what you think about them in Canada.   They are still sponsoring and training terrorists for a proxy war against the Saudis and terror attacks against Israel.   Their human rights violations are commonly reported in Canada....against Canadians. 

Iran is not the most "pro-American" population in the ME for muslim nations. 

With every comment and every word you prove how uninformed and uneducated (related to subject under discussion) you are. The governments are sponsoring those acts not the people and I have clearly indicated that unlike US they are two separate entities. And if the attacks are against Saudis and Israel then they are not terrorist attacks as both regimes in those two countries are the worst when it comes to terror. They are acts of wars but not terrorist attacks. The human right violations against IRANIAN-Canadians (not Canadians) are not directed against  Canada specifically and is another proof that the nations and governments in those countries are two separate entities.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

With every comment and every word you prove how uninformed and uneducated (related to subject under discussion) you are.

 

Not credible from someone who didn't understand that Israel was in the Middle East.   I don't care what you think or do about Iran from Canada, but apparently it is very important to you what my president and country do about Iranian travel to the U.S.

Just watch it on the U.S. news.

[dialamah]

39 minutes ago, Argus said:

So among the less noticed of Trump's decisions this weekend was revamping the national security council. Trump knowing more about ISIS and everything else than the generals, as he has stated already, he decided the joints chief of staff were not needed on the council. And in any case he had a much more knowledgeable replacement. Steve Bannon....

And you people are all worried about a few immigrants who can't go to the US!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38787241

 

Sweet!   From your link -  "Last week, Mr Bannon described the US mainstream media as "the opposition party", saying it should "keep its mouth shut".

Wonder how long till that translates into some kind of 'executive action' for the security of the country?

[CITIZEN_2015]

8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Iran is not the most "pro-American" population in the ME for Muslim nations.   They still chant, "Death to America".

Again another solid proof how uninformed you are as related to the subject at hand. A few thousand or few tens of thousands bused from remote villages and paid by government (otherwise they starve as this is their only source of income) brought to cities to chant all these now represent the 80 million Iranian people!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

[CITIZEN_2015]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Not credible from someone who didn't understand that Israel was in the Middle East.   I don't care what you think or do about Iran from Canada, but apparently it is very important to you what my president and country do about Iranian travel to the U.S.

Just watch it on the U.S. news.

It is not important at all. In fact I understand the political motive for that. He gains plenty of votes when in the aftermath of the attack on US citizens on US soil (I think by Pakistani citizens) he announced that he will ban muslims until he finds out what the hell is going on. I am just trying to say that it was politically motivated and not really for safety reasons of American citizens. And I understand that Israel is geographically located in middle east but you don't understand that they mostly came from Europe they are not middle eastern and certainly not muslims.

Edited January 29, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[kimmy]

Just hearing that Mika Zibanejad of the NHL's New York Rangers may not be able to get back into the US if he leaves to play games in Canada. Zibanejad has dual Swedish/Iranian citizenship.

 -k

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Again another solid proof how uninformed you are as related to the subject at hand. A few thousand or few tens of thousands bused from remote villages and paid by government (otherwise they starve as this is their only source of income) brought to cities to chant all these now represent the 80 million Iranian people!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

 

Nonsense..and doesn't matter anyway for U.S. policy.  Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism and nuclear proliferation threat.   Iran is engaged in a proxy war with Saudi Arabia, an American (and Canadian) ally.    The Iranian people are responsible for Iran.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

It is not important at all. In fact I understand the political motive for that. He gains plenty of votes when in the aftermath of the attack on US citizens on US soil (I think by Pakistani citizens) he announced that he will ban muslims until he finds out what the hell is going on. I am just trying to say that it was politically motivated and not really for safety reasons of American citizens.

 

President Trump announced such a policy long before he was even elected.   Why is anybody shocked that he actually did what he said he would do.

No foreign national has the right to enter the United States...not even "progressive" Iranians.