America under President Trump

Boges · July 14, 2020

Uh Oh! Better start banning 3M from shipping N95 masks to Canada again.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/politics/delayed-use-defense-production-act-ppe-shortages/index.html

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"While we are making more respirators than ever before, the reality is demand for respirators continues to exceed supply. This is an industry-wide challenge," said Tim Post, a spokesperson for 3M, which he said is producing N95 respirators at a rate of more than 50 million per month in the US.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has issued guidance on reusing N95 masks, but nurses who spoke to CNN argued that the rate with which they are reusing masks has left them vulnerable.

Michelle Brum, a nurse who works in Hyannis, Massachusetts, and co-chairs a nurses' union, said that months into the outbreak of the virus her hospital continues to keep N95 respirators locked up to prevent staff from using them beyond the allotted amount.

Shady · July 14, 2020

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

You're the one who cited an article references surfaces. It not my fault you don't read what you reference.

We're several posts in and you still haven't addressed the several communities that saw BLM protests and didn't see a notable spike.

Look, I'm not denying protests don't play a factory in the spread. But you're basically saying the out-of-control outbreak we're seeing right now in the US is solely due to BLM protest. And early re-opening played no factor.

That's ridiculous!

And I posted several links to government officials in Miami, Houston, and Los Angeles that directly point to protests as being s significant factor. You can keep ignoring those facts, but they're not going away. Either is the spike in cases that coincides perfectly with the weeks of protests. Either is the fact that if opening was to blame, cases would've being to spike 2 to 3 weeks later, not 6 to 8 weeks. You're a political hack.

Boges · July 14, 2020

1 minute ago, Shady said:

Yes, the spike in cases that coincides exactly with protests is just a coincidence!

Are you aware of the term Correlation is not Causation?

Boges · July 14, 2020

2 minutes ago, Shady said:

And I posted several links to government officials in Miami, Houston, and Los Angeles that directly point to protests as being s significant factor. You can keep ignoring those facts, but they're not going away. Either is the spike in cases that coincides perfectly with the weeks of protests. Either is the fact that if opening was to blame, cases would've being to spike 2 to 3 weeks later, not 6 to 8 weeks. You're a political hack.

I'm not denying they're a factor. You're contending it's pretty much the ONLY factor and the Re-opening had nothing to do with it. How's that for political hackery?

Again ignoring rates in DC, Washington State, Europe and Canada where protests also happened. AND ignoring Arizona which didn't have any high profile protests, that I'm aware of but have some of the highest infection rates in the country right now.

Edited July 14, 2020 by Boges

Shady · July 14, 2020

40 minutes ago, Boges said:

Are you aware of the term Correlation is not Causation?

Yes, it's just a complete coincidence. Yet places that reopened didn't see any increase in cases 2, 3, 4, 5 weeks after opening.

Boges · July 14, 2020

3 minutes ago, Shady said:

Yes, it's just a complete coincidence. Yet places that reopened didn't see any increase in cases 2, 3, 4, 5 weeks after opening.

I'm saying there are multiple factors. Memorial Day for example. That actually lines up quite nicely with spikes we've been seeing.

Just think of the spikes we'll see associated with the Fourth of July.

bush_cheney2004 · July 14, 2020

President Trump is getting more of what he wants with re-opening the American economy. Scheduled airline flights have recovered back to more than 50% compared to last year at this time.

13-July-scheduled-flights-covid-19-USA-C

https://www.oag.com/coronavirus-airline-schedules-data

BubberMiley · July 14, 2020

3 hours ago, Shady said:

Yes, the spike in cases that coincides exactly with protests is just a coincidence!

I always agreed with you that it could only be a result of the protests and then commented about how incredibly wrong you were to say it wasn't a problem out of doors. Too bad they took your advice. I bet they feel stupid now for listening to you.

bush_cheney2004 · July 14, 2020

President Trump bags another win with UK deciding to ban Huawei from 5G networks.

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UK bans Huawei from 5G networks in “victory for the Trump administration”

The UK government today announced a ban on Huawei equipment in 5G wireless networks, along with a plan to urge home-Internet providers to stop buying Huawei gear. The UK government's announcement said that US sanctions imposed in May factored heavily into the decision, which was "taken today in a meeting of the National Security Council (NSC) chaired by the Prime Minister [Boris Johnson]."

"Following US sanctions against Huawei and updated technical advice from our cyber experts, the government has decided it is necessary to ban Huawei from our 5G networks," UK Digital Secretary Oliver Dowden said in the announcement. A New York Times report called today's UK announcement "a victory for the Trump administration and a reversal of an earlier decision that underscores how technology has taken center stage in the deepening divide between Western powers and China."

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/07/uk-bans-huawei-from-5g-networks-in-victory-for-the-trump-administration/

Boges · July 14, 2020

33 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

President Trump is getting more of what he wants with re-opening the American economy. Scheduled airline flights have recovered back to more than 50% compared to last year at this time.

https://www.oag.com/coronavirus-airline-schedules-data

Lots of domestic flights, I reckon.

Shady · July 14, 2020

37 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

I always agreed with you that it could only be a result of the protests and then commented about how incredibly wrong you were to say it wasn't a problem out of doors. Too bad they took your advice. I bet they feel stupid now for listening to you.

But it isn't necessarily a problem outdoors, if you're not crammed in with thousands of people. There's people walking in the park near where I live every day, and they're not catching covid. There's also people playing soccer in the field every day, and they're not catching covid.

bush_cheney2004 · July 14, 2020

9 minutes ago, Boges said:

Lots of domestic flights, I reckon.

Lots of domestic and international flights. The U.S. is the largest airline travel market in the world.

Flight Aware shows numerous inbound and departing international flights despite any travel bans.

https://flightaware.com/live/

BubberMiley · July 14, 2020

10 minutes ago, Shady said:

But it isn't necessarily a problem outdoors, if you're not crammed in with thousands of people. There's people walking in the park near where I live every day, and they're not catching covid. There's also people playing soccer in the field every day, and they're not catching covid.

So it only happens if protesting police is involved. Interesting theory.

Good thing no one listens to you.

Shady · July 14, 2020

21 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

So it only happens if protesting police is involved. Interesting theory.

Good thing no one listens to you.

Any kind of large gatherings. Are you purposely being obtuse?

eyeball · July 15, 2020

On 7/13/2020 at 6:51 AM, Shady said:

But lockdowns are irrelevant if after lockdowns people don't do what they're suppose to do. It will just be a vicious cycle.

Sounds like a recipe for authoritarianism unless not doing what you're supposed to do is a right. It will also be a really stupid cycle apparently.

Boges · July 16, 2020

Yeah it's the campaign manager's fault. :lol:

https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/16/donald-trump-replaces-re-election-campaign-manager-amid-tanking-polling-numbers

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President Donald Trump shook up his campaign staff on Wednesday amid sinking polling figures less than four months before the US presidential election, replacing campaign manager Brad Parscale with veteran GOP operative Bill Stepien.

“I am pleased to announce that Bill Stepien has been promoted to the role of Trump Campaign Manager,” Trump said on Facebook. “Brad Parscale, who has been with me for a very long time and has led our tremendous digital and data strategies, will remain in that role, while being a Senior Advisor to the campaign.”

Trump and Parscale’s relationship had been increasingly strained, with the president annoyed by the publicity Parscale had garnered in the role. But the final straw appeared to be a Tulsa, Oklahoma, rally last month that drew an unexpectedly low crowd of about 6,200 people after Parscale had bragged that more than a million people had requested tickets. The president was furious.

Has an incumbent ever made up a double digit deficit with 3 months to go?

WestCanMan · July 16, 2020

4 hours ago, Boges said:

Has an incumbent ever made up a double digit deficit with 3 months to go?

Polling was never as in accurate as it is now. The 2016 polls in the US were a total farce and there's no reason to believe that it's any more accurate now.

Make what you will of this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-15/most-pennsylvanians-believe-secret-voters-support-trump

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Still, 46% of Pennsylvania voters believe Trump will win their state this year, compared to 45% predicting a Biden win. And more than half, 54%, said they were surprised by Trump’s win four years ago.

There's a good chance that this election will come down to voter fraud. The number of people who can vote without ID, and the number of falsified mail-in ballots will be a huge factor.

Boges · July 16, 2020

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There's a good chance that this election will come down to voter fraud. The number of people who can vote without ID, and the number of falsified mail-in ballots will be a huge factor.

More like Voter Suppression. In the face this pandemic, will there be enough people willing to volunteer at polling stations to make voting easy and accessible. We've seen in Primaries already that people have had to wait hours to vote. And that's not even for a general election.

That's why there's a push for mail-in balloting. Not because people are looking to cheat.

dialamah · July 16, 2020

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

There's a good chance that this election will come down to voter fraud

Only if Trump loses...

WestCanMan · July 16, 2020

2 hours ago, Boges said:

More like Voter Suppression. In the face this pandemic......

That's BS and you know it.

The Dems fought to keep blacks from having the right to vote, then they tried to stop them from voting, and for the last two elections they've been trying to rig the system every way possible to sneak in a victory.

Before the last election the Dems and their idiot leader said loud and clear [paraphrasing] "there's no way that anyone can rig the election and anyone who says so is an joke" and then the second Hillary lost they started screaming "This election was rigged!" when they knew that it wasn't. Then they used their smear campaign, disguised as an investigation, to win control of the House in the Mid-Terms.

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That's why there's a push for mail-in balloting. Not because people are looking to cheat.

Kool-Aid much?

Isn't it weird that everything that the dems want to do to make it "easer to vote" just makes it "easier to cheat"?

1) No ID (I could go to the polling stations all day with just a phone book and cast ballots for 60 people if that was the case),

2) let illegals just vote (because it's so easy to track them all you just know that all those votes are legit, right? Or maybe every illegal could just register 5 fake names and vote for them all, no one knows how many there are...)

3) Mail-in ballots. So instead of bothering to make all those fraudulent trips to the polling station just to vote 60 times, and where it's easier to get caught in the act, Dems can rattle some ballots off on the printer and vote 60,000 times in half as long.

Mail-in ballots are honestly better for Republicans than for Dems. The Dems have the majority of the young voters who don't fear covid and just hear a bit of news on the radio, they don't know wtf is going on in the world and they'll party their way through a covid hospital just to get a cold beer. Covid won't stop millennials from voting. It's the Republicans that have the seniors' votes and the seniors are the ones who'd be the most afraid of the virus.

WestCanMan · July 16, 2020

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Only if Trump loses...

That's just a platitude and you know it.

Before the last election the Dems and their idiot leader said loud and clear [paraphrasing] "there's no way that anyone can rig the election and anyone who says so is an joke" and then the second Hillary lost they started screaming "This election was rigged!" when they knew that they were lying. Then they used their smear campaign, disguised as an investigation, to win control of the House in the Mid-Terms. The Dems are ALL ABOUT cheating to win elections.

Boges · July 17, 2020

17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Isn't it weird that everything that the dems want to do to make it "easer to vote" just makes it "easier to cheat"?

I'm not American, so I don't know how it all works. But you still have to register. You just can't show up and say. Uhhh let me vote.

And they have to actually send you a verifiable ballot to vote. In Canada we get this voter forms that allow us to vote. I can't see it being much different. You can always make up way one could cheat.

But the big issue in this election, which you didn't address in your long post was that voting shouldn't be made more difficult because of the pandemic.

As you note, mail-in balloting would actually suppress older more conservative voters. But it would also make older people, who often volunteer during elections less likely to do so.

So their's a democratic crisis on the horizon.

BubberMiley · July 17, 2020

On 7/14/2020 at 10:48 AM, Shady said:

Yes, it's just a complete coincidence. Yet places that reopened didn't see any increase in cases 2, 3, 4, 5 weeks after opening.

They saw incremental increases that grew exponentially.

I see you're still struggling with the term "exponentially". I realize it's math, which is hard and therefore "gobbledygook ". But here's a hint: it doesn't have to be a whole number exponent to be an exponent.

Boges · July 17, 2020

There's definitely an exponential rise in cases: 77,000 yesterday. They'll be at Dr. Fauci's prediction of 100,000 daily cases before August.

There's a good chance they'll hit 4 million cases by next week. Meaning the infection rate is doubling.

And deaths are rising too. Almost 1,000 deaths yesterday.

For perspective, Canada recorded 17 deaths. Italy had 20. The UK had 66. And Belgium, who still has the highest per capita death rate from the spring saw 4 deaths yesterday.

New York, which saw the bulk of the outbreak deaths in the Spring only had 23 deaths yesterday.

Shady · July 17, 2020

1 hour ago, BubberMiley said:

They saw incremental increases that grew exponentially.

I see you're still struggling with the term "exponentially". I realize it's math, which is hard and therefore "gobbledygook ". But here's a hint: it doesn't have to be a whole number exponent to be an exponent.

No that’s just not true. Keep making excuses though. In most states there weren’t incremental increases, and cases haven’t grown exponentially. You people really need to learn what that term means.