America under President Trump

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Here's a rundown on things Trump failed to do. 

And this was before these recent spikes.

 

Good for Trump...he can succeed or fail based on his decisions and actions.

Scared of COVID ?   Stay home !

[Cannucklehead]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

We don't get to pick and choose which constitutional rights are protected for U.S. citizens.

That means guns, free speech (including hate speech), religion/churches too...not just protests.

That might fly in Canada, but Trump knows better for the USA.

Lol we aren't sending in gestapo agents in unmarked vans to kidnap protestors unlike your country.  

[Boges]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

Good for Trump...he can succeed or fail based on his decisions and actions.

And we can analyze his prospects based on those things. 

Look at this fake polling by Fox News. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-holds-lead-over-trump-as-coronavirus-concerns-grip-nation

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Cannucklehead said:

Lol we aren't sending in gestapo agents in unmarked vans to kidnap protestors unlike your country.  

 

Yes you do...happened at the G20 meeting several years back.

I always find it amusing that wannabes in Canada only spend their time worrying about American rights they agree with, while ignoring many others.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

And we can analyze his prospects based on those things. 

Look at this fake polling by Fox News.

 

If the Democrats can't beat Trump now, they are a sorry ass bunch.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

If the Democrats can't beat Trump now, they are a sorry ass bunch.

At least you're conceding he's in deep doo doo. 

Edited July 20, 2020 by Boges

[Cannucklehead]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Yes you do...happened at the G20 meeting several years back.

I always find it amusing that wannabes in Canada only spend their time worrying about American rights they agree with, while ignoring many others.

Nice try but I remember police arresting protestors and them complaining about it, but police are not gestapos....

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

At least you're conceding he's in deep doo doo. 

 

Trump is just another U.S. president...he will win or lose just like all the rest.

Truman...Johnson...Carter...Bush SR. -   fine company in the "deep doo doo".

Democrat Michael Dukakis had a 17 point lead in the polls in 1988....still lost the election.

 

[Boges]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

Trump is just another U.S. president...he will win or lose just like all the rest.

Truman...Johnson...Carter...Bush SR. -   fine company in the "deep doo doo".

Democrat Michael Dukakis had a 17 point lead in the polls in 1988....still lost the election.

Truman technically was re-elected. 

Trump has time to turn this around. But it seems he almost doesn't want to win. He consistently denies the reality of the COVID situation and fights with everyone. 

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

I never said they are worse. But they aren't much better. Unlike every other Developed nation that has this disease under control and is re-opening anyway. 

The actual Fatality rate is impossible to calculate because we don't know exactly how many people are. 

Deaths per million is a good way to establish that the US doesn't actually have that bad a death rate. But that can't be the only metric to evaluate the severity of the outbreak. 

 

What we're seen (California is the outlier) is that states that didn't suffer too badly from the initial outbreak opened very fast. And now they're suffering from a worse resurgence of the virus. 

What's a better outcome for the economy. Rushing to be the first to re-open only to have to pause or roll-back re-opening because of a second wave? 

Or what's been seen in Europe and Canada where the rate of the disease was taken down to very low levels and the economy has slowly re-opened. 

Most of Ontario will be at Phase 3 of Opening at the end of the week (Meaning Gyms and indoor dining). That was achieved without the crush of hospitalization that states like Arizona, Florida and Texas saw. And those states may have to shut down to stave off an infection that's growing out of control. 

They've certainly had to be more authoritarian about mask wearing than other places that adopted mask wearing without much protest. 

California is not an outlier. 1 out of 3 three larger more populated southern states is not an outlier. It's a trend. It isn't much of a trend if you're looking for an "OMG, see how terrible" though because you're still not seeing the kind of numbers you were in the Democrat run states at the beginning of the pandemic.

Population density and culture would factor into whether or not  a percentage of total population is a better indication of anything than fatality rate of percentage of infected would be. The fact remains they are different metrics. Saying the one is the same as the other is a lie. The fake news interviewer was lying in his fact check, looking for this gotcha on Trump, just as i said he was. Divert from now till next year if you like that will still be a fact.

And what governors decide to do is still not an effective smear on Trump.

Edited July 20, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[Boges]

Just now, Infidel Dog said:

California is not an outlier. 1 out of 3 three larger more populated southern states is not an outlier. It's a trend.

What I'm saying is that California did a thorough shut down and seemed to have beat the thing. 

Conservative posters on this site proclaimed California as a success story. Not so much now, it appears. 

 

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Population density and culture would factor into whether or not  a percentage of total population is a better indication of anything than fatality rate of percentage of infected would be. The fact remains they are different metrics saying the one is the same as the other is a lie.

Deaths per capita is an effective way of comparing one community to another. 

The most important stat right now is Hospitalization. And many states are mightily struggling with that right now. 

 

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The fake news interviewer was lying in his fact check, looking for this gotcha on Trump just as i said he was. Divert from now till next year if you like that will still be a fact.

Wasn't the interview on Fox News? 

[bush_cheney2004]

16 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Nice try but I remember police arresting protestors and them complaining about it, but police are not gestapos....

 

They were when Stephen Harper was PM....lots of bitching and moaning about the his "storm troopers".

...same with the Trump haters....just a different ox.

 

[Infidel Dog]

Yes Boges. Trump used deaths per infection. You prefer deaths per capita. Good for you, but it still doesn't make the 2 metrics the same thing. Yes the mainstream interviewer was Chris Wallace on Fox Sunday - trying like a bandit for a gotcha on Trump almost as hard as you are but his lying fact checks weren't working any better than your diversions from the point. Not with me, anyway.

Edited July 20, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[bush_cheney2004]

11 minutes ago, Boges said:

Trump has time to turn this around. But it seems he almost doesn't want to win. He consistently denies the reality of the COVID situation and fights with everyone. 

 

That's what Trump has been doing for over three years...why would he change now ?

Millions of Americans are denying control of their lives by COVID, and not just Trump voters.

[Boges]

9 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Yes Boges. Trump used deaths per infection. You prefer deaths per capita. Good for you, but it still doesn't make the 2 metrics the same thing. Yes the mainstream interviewer was Chris Wallace on Fox Sunday - trying like a bandit for a gotcha on Trump almost as hard as you are but his lying fact checks weren't working any better than your diversions from the point. Not with me, anyway.

Death Rate per infection would make the US look good because they have so many infections. A country where the infection rate has significantly dropped but earlier in the outbreak had a lot of deaths would be doing better currently. Italy, Spain, France etc. 

The US is approaching 4 million infections. So it's crazy that only 140,000 of those resulting in deaths is a good thing.

Especially considering the US is the only developed nation that even still has an exponential ongoing outbreak. 

Edited July 20, 2020 by Boges

[bush_cheney2004]

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

Especially considering the US is the only developed nation that even still has an exponential ongoing outbreak. 

 

Wrong...Brazil.  

[Cannucklehead]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Wrong...Brazil.  

Though it has several characteristics of one, including the largest economy in South America or Central America, Brazil is still considered as developing due to its low GDP per capita, low living standards, high infant mortality rate, and other factors.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Cannucklehead said:

Though it has several characteristics of one, including the largest economy in South America or Central America, Brazil is still considered as developing due to its low GDP per capita, low living standards, high infant mortality rate, and other factors.

 

Nope....BRIC nations are no longer lumped that way.  

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Wrong...Brazil.  

We've done this already. 

https://www.investopedia.com/updates/top-developing-countries/

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The gross domestic product (GDP) per capita, which tallies of all the goods and services produced in a country in one year, is a useful metric for categorizing countries as either developed, or developing nations.

As a rule of thumb, countries with developed economies have GDP per capitas of at least $12,000(USD), although some economists believe $25,000 (USD) is a more realistic measurement threshold.

Developing countries include:
Argentina, with a per capita GDP of $12,494.
Brazil, with a per capita GDP of $8,727.
Chile, with a per capita GDP of $13,576.
China, with a per capita GDP of $8,123.

Brazil is actually worse than Argentina and Chile in its own Continent. 

Edited July 20, 2020 by Boges

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

We've done this already.

 

Tell China it is not a developed nation while it continues to kick Canada's ass in many metrics.

Edited July 20, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Tell China it is not a developed nation while it continues to kick Canada's ass in many metrics.

China isn't in the G7.

I like how you pivot from the argument that the US is the only developed nation with an serious ongoing COVID-19 issue to quibbling whether Brazil or China are developed nations. 

It's amusing. 

But, let's say that Brazil is a developed nation. It's not great company to be in. You're also in there with Russia and India. Slow Clap. 

Edited July 20, 2020 by Boges

[bush_cheney2004]

6 hours ago, Boges said:

It's amusing. 

But, let's say that Brazil is a developed nation. It's not great company to be in. You're also in there with Russia and India. Slow Clap. 

 

Just pointing out how twisted your hate for Trump can be...."only the United States"....nonsense.

It's amusing....

[WestCanMan]

Hopefully one day we'll all be looking back at the rabid stupidity and the blatant hypocrisy of the American MSM and their sycophant horde and we can laugh about it.

Leftists are already at the point where no one will admit to watching CNN. Maybe we're not as far away as we think? 

 

[Boges]

26 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Hopefully one day we'll all be looking back at the rabid stupidity and the blatant hypocrisy of the American MSM and their sycophant horde and we can laugh about it.

Like Chris Wallace on Fox News? 

Edited July 21, 2020 by Boges

[Infidel Dog]

22 hours ago, Boges said:

Death Rate per infection would make the US look good because they have so many infections. A country where the infection rate has significantly dropped but earlier in the outbreak had a lot of deaths would be doing better currently. Italy, Spain, France etc. 

The US is approaching 4 million infections. So it's crazy that only 140,000 of those resulting in deaths is a good thing.

Especially considering the US is the only developed nation that even still has an exponential ongoing outbreak. 

And if you test more you have more infections. That was Trump's point in the claim  cases of infections are an untrustworthy stat when they are making hyperbolic statements about the high number of cases. The stat contains mitigating factors. In fact, that might have been a better Gotcha for Wallace to use if he'd been aware of it. Trump is using infection rate built into the stat when it serves him.

Wallace didn't do that though. Instead he used a different stat to judge Trump's and mistakingly call him a liar.

It's interesting though that both stats show the same thing the pandemic has lessened judged by both metrics. The fall is more explicit with death rates against infections is all. But both deaths per 100k population and death per infection show a precipitous drop from pandemic highs. In fact even per 100k America is below some of the more developed countries in Europe.

You seem to want to divert from Trump though and when convenient make the point that the Governors of states like Florida and Texas are guilty of some horror show crime by reopening. I notice though that California is also experiencing the same slight rise in deaths and infections without reopening. California is Democrat run.  I also notice when you compare these states to Europe you forget about Sweden. Texas reopened in April. There never was a lockdown in Sweden. Sweden has yet to experience any kind of second wave. So if your point is Republicans (and only republicans) reopening states  is some sort of proof of bad management because look at the more socialist controlled countries of Europe, very well. Explain Sweden.

BTW Wallace didn't do anything other MSM commentators aren't doing in comparing Trump's stat to a different metric and hoping people don't notice it still doesn't show the horror they're hoping for.

Edited July 21, 2020 by Infidel Dog