America under President Trump

[bush_cheney2004]

17 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Agreed, Trump is sketchy at best, quasi-Russian oligarch following Putin’s geopolitical roadmap of US disengagement from all potential Russian spheres of influence.  He is trying to broker a zero-sum winner takes all economic win against all foreign countries, not just China, which is why we have to be wary.  We always had to be wary, mind you.  

 

Correct...Canada should always be wary as it is no longer a world middle power and is even more dependent on the U.S. economy.   When previous U.S. presidents engaged Soviet leadership and supported Russian spheres of influence, was Canada just as wary ?

Of course, Canada is free to engage and stand up to the Russians if it wants....so what is Canada waiting for ?

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Correct...Canada should always be wary as it is no longer a world middle power and is even more dependent on the U.S. economy.   When previous U.S. presidents engaged Soviet leadership and supported Russian spheres of influence, was Canada just as wary ?

Of course, Canada is free to engage and stand up to the Russians if it wants....so what is Canada waiting for ?

Canada’s economy and population are growing rapidly, so even if some politicians and some Canadians don’t want to recognize the fact and ensure that the safety and security of the country are equal to the stature, that doesn’t make such people right.  They’re just dummies who either have to figure it out or learn the hard way.  Hopefully there aren’t enough of them in office to compromise the country’s sovereignty.  

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canada’s economy and population are growing rapidly, so even if some politicians and some Canadians don’t want to recognize the fact and ensure that the safety and security of the country are equal to the stature, that doesn’t make such people right.  They’re just dummies who either have to figure it out or learn the hard way.  Hopefully there aren’t enough of them in office to compromise the country’s sovereignty.  

 

OK....if that is the case, then what specifically is/will Canada do to confront and challenge the Russians, in the Arctic, in eastern Europe, or elsewhere ?   If it means more reliance on the United States (Trump or no Trump), then it will be just more of the same impotence and reduced relevance.   Sending Chrystia Freeland to bark out a speech that implores the Americans to keep doing and paying more does not count.

President Trump's sin has been to freely expose just how dependent Canada is, something not of his making....Canada's choice long ago.

[Dougie93]

Throw Canada under the bus, freeze them out, the Elites who run Canada cannot be voted out, they are Fifth Column for Beijing inside the perimeter of Fortress America.

Canada should be given a taste of its own medicine, kick them out of the Hegenomy, let them get the full measure of no man's land, treat them with contempt as they treat America.

 

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Throw Canada under the bus, freeze them out, the Elites who run Canada cannot be voted out, they are Fifth Column for Beijing inside the perimeter of Fortress America.

Canada should be given a taste of its own medicine, kick them out of the Hegenomy, let them get the full measure of no man's land, treat them with contempt as they treat America.

 

Your self-loathing is incredible Ontario soldier.  Who has contempt for the US?  Not Canada.  You make the mistake of identifying parties and politicians with countries.  Trudeau and the Liberals are not Canada, nor are Trump and Republicans the US.  Even within those parties opinions vary widely.  The peoples of both countries are just people trying to figure out the best way to run the country.   Neither country has a monopoly on the truth.  Being critical of politicians is important if you want careful policy in both countries.  I see strengths in both countries.  You may prefer one approach to the other, but that doesn’t make the less preferable choice deplorable.  Stop using extreme mischaracterizations.  You don’t know how good you have it.  

Edited September 1, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

37 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Your self-loathing is incredible Ontario soldier. 

Quite the opposite, I have too much self respect to self identify with Canadian Confederation at this juncture.

I don't need Canada, my people were British North American long before there ever was a Canada, Canada is not my sovereign, Canada is simply an agreement.

Pequistes don't want out because we loath our homelands, we simply loath Ottawa with its High Brown Strathcona jackboots upon our necks,

Edited September 1, 2019 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

President Trump was/is America's choice, and Canada (the country) didn't/doesn't like it by a wide margin.

Too bad....not Canada's choice....ever.

American trade and foreign policy will continue to force Canada and other nations to wean themselves off of America's teats...or live with the consequences of not doing so.

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

President Trump was/is America's choice, and Canada (the country) didn't/doesn't like it by a wide margin.

Too bad....not Canada's choice....ever.

American trade and foreign policy will continue to force Canada and other nations to wean themselves off of America's teats...or live with the consequences of not doing so.

I agree.  

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

President Trump was/is America's choice, and Canada (the country) didn't/doesn't like it by a wide margin.

Too bad....not Canada's choice....ever.

American trade and foreign policy will continue to force Canada and other nations to wean themselves off of America's teats...or live with the consequences of not doing so.

Trade protectionism is only about the industrial entrenched interests, to include agriculture since it's factory farming now.

Information however is not subject to tariffs, and information is the most valuable commodity now.

The American capital markets are where the money is, they can be accessed from almost anywhere in the world.

[ReeferMadness]

Americans, you should feel very comfortable with this guy in charge.  He sounds so... competent.

 

Trump has repeatedly said over the years he's never heard of a Category 5 hurricane.

[ReeferMadness]

On 5/5/2016 at 5:31 PM, Hal 9000 said:

I think Trump is much smarter than people give him credit for.

Here's a comment that hasn't aged well. 

Yesterday, Trump said on TV he'd never heard of a category 5 hurricane, a claim he has made 3 times during previous category 5 hurricanes.

Today, he congratulated Poland on the 80th anniversary of it being overrun by Nazi Germany.

Can he make a more idiotic comment tomorrow?  It's impossible to say anymore.

[Rue]

Trump has dementia and no one says a damn thing. The difference is when Reagan had it for his 8 years his wife leaned over him regulating every comment and whispering in his ear. Trump is unchecked. The 8 years of Reagan having dementia created the precedent. Now its just ridiculous. reagan was surrounded by people in control, Trump on the other hand fires everyone and everything. Reagan was surrounded by a strong cabinet Trump has mostly acting Secretaries always getting fired. As sick as Reagan really was, he remained cordial and respected his limitations and took medication and had safeguards built in, Trump not at all.

He genuinely has dementia. Whether its Alzheimer's or another cause its a fact. His slurred words, the lack of control of his hands, the inability to make eye contact, the inability to concentrate, the garbled syntax, the paralysis in his mouth, the gait, its all there to see and its sad. 

 

[-TSS-]

"We're going to build a Wall and Mexico is going to pay for it" could be a similar defeating soundbite for Trump as "read my lips, no new taxes" was for Bush snr in the 1992 elections.

[Yzermandius19]

11 hours ago, -TSS- said:

"We're going to build a Wall and Mexico is going to pay for it" could be a similar defeating soundbite for Trump as "read my lips, no new taxes" was for Bush snr in the 1992 elections.

Not at all, Trump's base is firmly behind him, Bush Sr did not. The reason HW Bush. lost is because he ran into Bill Clinton and the economy wasn't doing well, there is no Bill Clinton running for the Dems in 2020 and the economy is booming.

Also HW Bush never had outrageous opening offers for the sake of negotiation leverage as his brand to justify his actions, while Trump does. Trump can also blame the Democrats which is not something Bush could sell effectively since he could have obstructed the new taxes if he wanted to and didn't, while Trump is trying to build the wall and being obstructed.

An apple to oranges comparison if ever there was one.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Yzermandius19]

14 hours ago, Rue said:

Trump has dementia and no one says a damn thing. The difference is when Reagan had it for his 8 years his wife leaned over him regulating every comment and whispering in his ear. Trump is unchecked. The 8 years of Reagan having dementia created the precedent. Now its just ridiculous. reagan was surrounded by people in control, Trump on the other hand fires everyone and everything. Reagan was surrounded by a strong cabinet Trump has mostly acting Secretaries always getting fired. As sick as Reagan really was, he remained cordial and respected his limitations and took medication and had safeguards built in, Trump not at all.

He genuinely has dementia. Whether its Alzheimer's or another cause its a fact. His slurred words, the lack of control of his hands, the inability to make eye contact, the inability to concentrate, the garbled syntax, the paralysis in his mouth, the gait, its all there to see and its sad. 

 

Reagan fired lots of people, and there is no evidence Trump has dementia. It only looks like Trump has dementia, to people who are already under the impression he has dementia, but it's all confirmation bias. If you don't think Trump has dementia, or aren't sure and looking at it objectively, there is nothing to see, only the wishful thinkers who want Trump to have dementia are claiming he has it, no one else.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

22 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Not at all, Trump's base is firmly behind him, Bush Sr did not. The reason HW Bush. lost is because he ran into Bill Clinton and the economy wasn't doing well, there is no Bill Clinton running for the Dems in 2020 and the economy is booming.

Also HW Bush never had outrageous opening offers for the sake of negotiation leverage as his brand to justify his actions, while Trump does. Trump can also blame the Democrats which is not something Bush could sell effectively since he could have obstructed the new taxes if he wanted to and didn't, while Trump is trying to build the wall and being obstructed.

Well also the Gulf War was a bust.

The Baroness Thatcher had convinced HW to make Kuwait his Falkland Islands. 

That's why he went from "not our problem" to "this shall not stand" so fast, Thatcher met with him and told him to man up, and he bought it.

Problem being it didn't have the high drama of the Falklands, because it was basically a pummeling of a bunch of hapless Iraqis in the desert, Highway of Death.

Highway of Death killed Kuwaiti Falkland Islands, so he didn't get the victory bump from his military adventure reelection game plan.

This is also why Tony Blair went into Iraq in 2003, Falklands Doctrine

Blair had actually lost his election in 1982 running for Labour, so he swore he'd never let the Tories beat him as a dove ever again, he was channeling Thatcher too.

Hilariously, Thatcher then threw him under the bus for it, saying that actually going into Iraq was a "mistake" lol

Edited September 4, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Well also the Gulf War was a bust.

The Baroness Thatcher had convinced HW to make Kuwait his Falkland Islands. 

That's why he went from "not our problem" to "this shall not stand" so fast, Thatcher met with him and told him to man up, and he bought it.

Problem being it didn't have the high drama of the Falklands, because it was basically a pummeling of a bunch of hapless Iraqis in the desert, Highway of Death.

Highway of Death killed Kuwaiti Falkland Islands, so he didn't get the victory bump from his military adventure reelection game plan.

Indeed. The situation for Trump in 2020 is vastly different from Bush in 1992. Ain't no Ross Perot in 2020 either, for yet another example.

2020 is a lot more like 1972, 1984 and 2004 than it's like 1992 or 1980.

2020 is more like 1996 and 2012 than it's like 1992 or 1980 as well.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Indeed. The situation for Trump in 2020 is vastly different from Bush in 1992. Ain't no Ross Perot in 2020 either, for yet another example.

2020 is a lot more like 1972, 1984 and 2004 than it's like 1992.

It's 1972 all over again,  Trump Nixon smash McGovernism.

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It's 1972 all over again,  Trump Nixon smash McGovernism.

1972 seems to be the closest parallel for sure.

2020 is not 1980 or 1992, the Democrats have no Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton to run against Trump, the economy isn't in bad shape and there is no big foreign policy fail that the electorate will punish Trump for either. Trump is not Jimmy Carer, and he's not Bush 41.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1972 seems to be the closest parallel for sure.

2020 is not 1980 or 1992, the Democrats have no Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton to run against Trump, the economy isn't in bad shape and there is no big foreign policy fail that the electorate will punish Trump for either.

The Democrats got George McGovern and no Tulsi Battle Angel.   Toast.

[Yzermandius19]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The Democrats got George McGovern and no Tulsi Battle Angel.   Toast.

Biden wants to grab all the guns too, guns that can fire multiple bullets, which is basically all of them, Creepy Uncle Joe just ain't down with them. 

Toast City.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Biden wants to grab all the guns too, guns that can fire multiple bullets are too dangerous for Creepy Uncle Joe. 

Toast City.

Can't be a landslide in this day and age, but nothing has shifted in the electoral college from four years of leftist shrieking at the Silent Majority.

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Can't be a landslide in this day and age, but nothing has shifted in the electoral college from four years of leftist shrieking at the Silent Majority.

It's gotten a little bit worse for Democrats actually, a lot of the swing states from 2016 will be further to the right in 2020 than they were in 2016, and Trump is more popular now than on the day he was elected. His approval rating in swing states is well above his national average.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

13 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

It's gotten a little bit worse for Democrats actually, a lot of the swing states from 2016 will be further to the right in 2020 than they were in 2016, and Trump is more popular now than on the day he was elected. His approval rating in swing states is well above his national average.

Trump Derangement Syndrome doesn't work. 

Anybody who would even consider voting for him is not moved in the slightest by TDS, except further towards Trump just to stick it to the shrieking Commies and Trannies.

Outside of the insulated Blue Bubble, people don't so much dislike the Democrats as they would like to see them hung from the lampposts.

Can't do that, but you can stick with Trump for another fours at least.

Then there is the SCOTUS, there are lots of people who will vote for Trump simply to make sure the Democrats don't get to replace RBG.

They may not like Trump, but they dislike liberal activist judges far more than they dislike Trump.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Trump Derangement Syndrome doesn't work. 

Anybody who would even consider voting for him is not moved in the slightest by TDS, except further towards Trump just to stick it to the shrieking Commies and Trannies.

Outside of the insulated Blue Bubble, people don't so much dislike the Democrats as they would like to see them hung from the lampposts.

Can't do that, but you can stick with Trump for another fours at least.

Then there is the SCOTUS, there are lots of people who will vote for Trump simply to make sure the Democrats don't get to replace RBG.

If Wisconsin and Florida are more red in 2020 than they were in 2016, which seems likely, the Democrats need to flip Texas to win. Good luck with that, especially when you are running on McGovernism and all your candidates are ridiculous gun grabbers.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19