Big Guy Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Flash - There has been another mass shooting in California: http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html This is the 8th, no, 10th, no, 96th or ....... Does anybody care anymore? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Maybe, but this is going to make legendary San Bernardino traffic jams even worse. Praise the Lord and please pass the ammunition. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ReeferMadness Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) I understand 12 dead. They're looking for 1-3 suspects, heavily armed and wearing body armour. And something about dealing with a potential explosive device. They attacked a centre that dealt with developmentally challenged individuals. Edited December 2, 2015 by ReeferMadness Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Flash - There has been another mass shooting in California: http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html This is the 8th, no, 10th, no, 96th or ....... Does anybody care anymore? According to the mass shooting tracker, this is mass shooting number 352 this year. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Most recent reports now say 3 killed. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Moonlight Graham Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Stay classy gun advocates! Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 How many dead now ? 14....for those keeping score in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
-TSS- Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 There's speculation that the perpetrators were mistaken about the target as there is some planned parenthood-activity on the same premises. In other words anti-abortion lunatics at it again. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Perps down....perps down ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Perps down....perps down ! Carry on crazy. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 Carry on crazy. Come again ? Shooting perps is crazy ? Sorry, we don't hug 'em down here ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) Seems they are getting things to a close. 834 Hardt Street was one take-down scene. https://www.google.ca/maps/place/834+Hardt+St,+San+Bernardino,+CA+92408,+USA/@34.0730099,-117.2701807,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x80dcac9d85d90483:0xb500aafa368d1448 Edited December 3, 2015 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 Flash - There has been another mass shooting in California: This is the 8th, no, 10th, no, 96th or ....... Does anybody care anymore? It's over 300 this year according to one report I heard today, just as I was thinking to myself how tedious they're starting to get. I saw my ability to ponder my own numbness as a sign I'm not completely without feeling yet. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 "I fought the Law...and the...Law won" - Sonny Curtis (1958) Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 Flash - There has been another mass shooting in California: http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html This is the 8th, no, 10th, no, 96th or ....... Does anybody care anymore? Second today, according to NPR. I care. Me and NPR. Quote
Wilber Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) Second today, according to NPR. I care. Me and NPR. I think people care but you have to ask yourself, what's the point? There is no real desire to change anything so why get excited about something that is guaranteed to happen over and over. 300 million guns obviously aren't enough to make Americans safe. Edited December 3, 2015 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
ReeferMadness Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 The twitterverse is going crazy with talk of gun control (both sides hurling insults) and race. There is a report that one of the shooters was a disgruntled employee. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Guest Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 I think people care but but you have to ask yourself, what's the point? There is no real desire to change anything so why get excited about something that is guaranteed to happen over and over. 300 million guns obviously aren't enough to make Americans safe. I agree. If Sandy Hook didn't do it, I daresay nothing will. Quote
Bonam Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) I agree. If Sandy Hook didn't do it, I daresay nothing will. How could anything change? Each event serves as further confirmation to each side of their own ideology. And everyone is firmly entrenched in their ideology. For example, most gun control proponents are against any system that would prevent the mentally ill from having access to guns. And in a broader sense, the whole conversation on the topic is stupid... you have people who believe in a universal right to own guns, and you have people who want to blame the existence of guns for everything, and almost no one talking about reasonable solutions. The inability of the US to do anything about the issue of mass shootings isn't unique to this one issue, it's a broader symptom of the growing polarization of political discourse and inability of people to see the "other side" as a partner to negotiate solutions with rather than an enemy to be condemned. You see this at all levels of society, from facebook comment threads right on up to federal government organs. Edited December 3, 2015 by Bonam Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 I agree. If Sandy Hook didn't do it, I daresay nothing will. Sandy Hook was mom's legal guns accessed by crazy son...so what does the government do ? Ban guns for both ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 Sandy Hook was mom's legal guns accessed by crazy son...so what does the government do ? Ban guns for both ? It doesn't matter. No one did anything, as far as I know. If twenty kids can't galvanise, I can't imagine anything doing so. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 And everyone is firmly entrenched in their ideology. Fight war with peace and words, I guess is the only answer. Here's the New York Daily News: Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) It doesn't matter. No one did anything, as far as I know. If twenty kids can't galvanise, I can't imagine anything doing so. That's not true....the states of Connecticut, New York, and Maryland passed legislation specific to Sandy Hook. Federal bills were drafted but failed to win passage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Connecticut Edited December 3, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ReeferMadness Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 For example, most gun control proponents are against any system that would prevent the mentally ill from having access to guns. Really? Cite??? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Bonam Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 Really? Cite??? I don't bother with cites on this site. The level of dialog here is too low to bother putting in the effort. What I will say is that whether discussing it on this forum or watching discussions in the media, whenever anyone (typically from the gun rights side) brings up the idea of screening people for mental illness, someone else (typically from the gun control side) usually shoots it down by saying that the issue of mental illness is tangential, that even bringing it up is stigmatizing the mentally ill and inherently bigoted, etc. Quote
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