Islamophobia in Canada

[Argus]

7 hours ago, Hydraboss said:

Maybe that's the score.  Are you sure?

Consider this:  A white guys kills 6 muslims in a mosque.  Score:  6-0

Now a Somalian gang kills a white guy at a mall.  If the gang members are all muslim, is this still a hate crime or does it just get recorded as a murder?  Does anyone report whether the killing was because the white guy wasn't muslim?  Not a chance because.....Canada.

Score:  Still 6-0

I guarantee you more Christians in Canada have been murdered by Muslims than the reverse. A whole LOT more.

[GostHacked]

Well this is not Canada, but Norway. http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ignorance-unveiled-anti-immigrant-group-mistakes-bus-seats-for-burqas-1.3529632

Watch out for those bus seats. I guess people will see what they want to see and not what is actually there.

[GostHacked]

Just now, Argus said:

I guarantee you more Christians in Canada have been murdered by Muslims than the reverse. A whole LOT more.

Christians or .. white people?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Well this is not Canada, but Norway. http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ignorance-unveiled-anti-immigrant-group-mistakes-bus-seats-for-burqas-1.3529632

Watch out for those bus seats. I guess people will see what they want to see and not what is actually there.

Thank God they were Norwegians.  I thought they were Brits.

[Argus]

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

If we're going to keep stats , then let's keep stats on everyone.  What are the stats on Muslims in Canada who commit hate crimes against women, gays and Jews?

We don't record such things. The progressives insist that ethnic crime is lower than white crime, and yet fight furiously to ensure no statistics are kept based on race, religion or national origin. Much as in Sweden.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, Hydraboss said:

...and THIS is why these discussions can never go anywhere....

Stats based on race/religion/culture will never be kept in Canada because there is a huge fear from both sides of any debate that the numbers could prove them wrong

Not from my side. In fact, I'd love to be proven wrong.

[WestCoastRunner]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

We don't record such things. The progressives insist that ethnic crime is lower than white crime, and yet fight furiously to ensure no statistics are kept based on race, religion or national origin. Much as in Sweden.

I just provided a link above that proves that far, far more non-Muslim women are victims of domestic killings than non-Muslim women.  Do you people have blinders on when this evidence is presented to you in black and white. It doesn't get much clearer than that with regards to domestic violence against Muslim women. 

[Argus]

37 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

So we are in agreement that domestic killings against Muslim women are far far less then against non-Muslims. Good to know. 

Given the number of Muslims as a percentage of the population even if you were right and there were only 3-4 Muslim names that would not put the domestic killings as below that of Canadians as a whole.

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, Argus said:

We don't record such things.  

Then how can you 'guarantee' it with no data ?  Incidentally, I think it would be better to record these stats except for people who abuse them to promote their agenda.

[Argus]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Then how can you 'guarantee' it with no data ?  Incidentally, I think it would be better to record these stats except for people who abuse them to promote their agenda.

Because I read about them in the media all the time, but I can't recall the last time I read about a Muslim being murdered by a non-Muslim unless it was a drug killing. That mosque incident is the only one I can recall. It's like the holy grail for media in the US - Black women being gang raped by white guys. Every time there's a suggestion they flock like sharks to the smell of blood, even though according to the official stats 99.9% of interracial rape is Black men raping white women - which the media is completely uninterested in.

Edited August 2, 2017 by Argus

[Hal 9000]

9 hours ago, jacee said:

You tell them what to wear, think, do, say, be?

I'm curious what they'd say about that. Lol

Irony and hypocricy are totally lost on you.  You are so self absorbed, that you have no self awareness - none!

[Hal 9000]

4 hours ago, dialamah said:

It's horrible that you were assaulted.  I have been assaulted as well, by a man who didn't think a woman should talk back or say no; only difference is that he wasn't Muslim and sex was part of putting me in my place.

I think stats should be kept as well.  My belief that the threat posed by Muslim men is no greater than the threat posed by non-Muslim men is no more valid than your apparent belief that Muslim men do pose a bigger threat, without actual data to back it up.

How can you say that after what Sweden and Germany and other European countries are dealing with - are you people seeing what's going on over there?  They are planning no male festivals because of assaults against women - and it's not white european dudes doing it. 

[OftenWrong]

22 hours ago, GostHacked said:

You don't get to speak for women , just like Rue does not speak for all Jews, just like I don't speak for all reasonable people. You speak for yourself, and yourself only.

We can certainly echo the sentiment of those who do speak out, regardless of who we are. But who will speak for those who have no voice? I'm talking about oppressed people living in fear of retribution.

Edited August 3, 2017 by OftenWrong

[Hal 9000]

Stats aren't kept for a reason.  Instead what we get is all men lumped together.  That makes it easier for women and the gov't to hate all men rather than just muslim men - thanks for that muslims.  

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said:

Stats aren't kept for a reason.  Instead what we get is all men lumped together.  That makes it easier for women and the gov't to hate all men rather than just muslim men - thanks for that muslims.  

I've never been raped by a Muslim, but I have been raped by a non-Muslim.  I've been groped by non-Muslims, old-stock, white Canadian males since I was 16-years-old.    Every woman in my family since my grandmother has been molested in some way by a non-Muslim, white Canadian guy; some of these men touched girls as young as six.  So STFU about how "Europeans" are so much more moral or better than Muslims.  You aren't.

 

 

[WestCoastRunner]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Given the number of Muslims as a percentage of the population even if you were right and there were only 3-4 Muslim names that would not put the domestic killings as below that of Canadians as a whole.

That doesn't make sense.  The populations of Aboriginals and Muslims are pretty close and yet I can count 29 Aboriginal women killed compared to 3 or 4 out of a total of 156.  

[dialamah]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

 

Frankly, it's not just Islam.  Any religion that teaches and inculcates from a very young age that women are lesser human beings will have a higher rate of violence against women.

True.

From StatsCan:

Territories have highest rate of family violence.   Within the provinces, Ontario has the lowest rate while Saskatchewan has the highest.  Family violence has decreased 14% from 2009 and homicides committed by family members have also declined significantly.

The majority of Muslims live in Ontario and Quebec, followed by BC.    Info at  Stats Can and Wikipedia. 

It looks like the locations with the highest Muslim population have the least family violence and the places with the fewest Muslims have the highest rates.   Also interesting that while more Muslims have come into Canada, overall rates of family violence and family homicide have decreased.  

Clearly, whatever is the cause for family violence, it's not being driven by "Muslims".  

Interestingly, research suggests economic downturn increases family violence rates, as do natural disasters such as floods, hurricanes or wildfires.   The most at-risk women are aboriginal and young women, immigrant women, lesbian women.   When non-White women report domestic violence, they are less likely to be taken seriously.  

Can we please stop pretending Muslims are the only or main perpetrators of family violence, and focus on solutions that will work for everyone, Muslim or not?

 

 

 

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

Because I read about them in the media all the time, 

Do they print their religion or just their nationality ?

[Hal 9000]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

I've never been raped by a Muslim, but I have been raped by a non-Muslim.  I've been groped by non-Muslims, old-stock, white Canadian males since I was 16-years-old.    Every woman in my family since my grandmother has been molested in some way by a non-Muslim, white Canadian guy; some of these men touched girls as young as six.  So STFU about how "Europeans" are so much more moral or better than Muslims.  You aren't.

I've never said non-muslims are perfect, but let's be real, Muslim men treat women more poorly than western men.

[OftenWrong]

16 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

I've never said non-muslims are perfect, but let's be real, Muslim men treat women more poorly than western men.

Of course there are bad people in every society. What makes Muslim men a more specific problem is the cultural acceptance of such behaviour toward women.

[dialamah]

15 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Of course there are bad people in every society. What makes Muslim men a more specific problem is the cultural acceptance of such behaviour toward women.

In Canada there is no cultural acceptance of such behavior.

[OftenWrong]

4 minutes ago, dialamah said:

In Canada there is no cultural acceptance of such behavior.

“Man who beat wife said he didn’t know it was against law,” read a recent headline in the New Brunswick Telegraph Journal. The man – Mohamad Rafia, a Syrian refugee – didn’t just beat his wife, he beat her with a hockey stick. For half an hour.

Rafia told a Fredericton court that he didn’t know it was a crime in Canada to beat your wife with a hockey stick for half an hour.

Following the attack, Rafia’s wife was taken to a local hospital and initially lied to protect her husband. She later revealed that he beat her with a hockey stick – for half an hour – pulled her hair, hit her in the face and threatened to kill her.

Rafia was charged and pleaded guilty to assault causing bodily harm and uttering threats. He was sentenced to eight days in jail and one year of probation.

This shocking and disturbing story failed to make national media, but the Telegraph Journal provides the startling details.

Rafia was a privately sponsored refugee who arrived in Canada more than 14 months ago with his wife and children. He spoke to the court in Arabic and his testimony was translated through an interpreter.

“He was not aware of the law and he was coming from a background where the laws are completely different,” said the interpreter.

Link

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

I've never been raped by a Muslim, but I have been raped by a non-Muslim.  I've been groped by non-Muslims, old-stock, white Canadian males since I was 16-years-old.    Every woman in my family since my grandmother has been molested in some way by a non-Muslim, white Canadian guy; some of these men touched girls as young as six.  So STFU about how "Europeans" are so much more moral or better than Muslims.  You aren't.

 

 

You don't think the fact you have been living in a non-Muslim country might have been a reason you were molested or raped by non-Muslims rather than Muslim men.  In some countries in the middle east, a western woman is not allowed to go out by herself and must live in a guarded, secure compound because of the risk to her.

[dialamah]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You don't think the fact you have been living in a non-Muslim country might have been a reason you were molested or raped by non-Muslims rather than Muslim men.  

Why yes I do.  But some here seem to think that Muslim men raping and assaulting women is a Muslim thing, when really its more of a "man" thing.

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Why yes I do.  But some here seem to think that Muslim men raping and assaulting women is a Muslim thing, when really its more of a "man" thing.

Would like to look into this further.

Edited August 3, 2017 by blackbird