DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Anti-Pedophilia Bill Rejected In Pakistan As ‘Anti-Islamic’ http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/15/anti-pedophilia-bill-rejected-in-pakistan-as-anti-islamic/ Pretty much puts a torpedo into that argument, eh? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Exactly. It's only an issue when the perpetrator is white or Christian. Apparently your discussion has two sides. I represent the side that says its not an issue if non-white, non-Christians engage in rape and you represent the side that says its not an issue if White Christians engage in rape. Do I have that right?
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Apparently your discussion has two sides. I represent the side that says its not an issue if non-white, non-Christians engage in rape and you represent the side that says its not an issue if White Christians engage in rape. Do I have that right? An entire country...Pakistan...decided to continue allowing marriage and sex with children. Why? Because Mohammad did it. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Shady Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Apparently your discussion has two sides. I represent the side that says its not an issue if non-white, non-Christians engage in rape and you represent the side that says its not an issue if White Christians engage in rape. Do I have that right? No you don't. I think your issue is with intersectional feminism. Which is now the latest excuse to justify bad behaviour.
GostHacked Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Maybe those who are taking Islam and Muslims to task should take our government to task in how our government treats these nations like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, while using the RCMP to rile up useful idiots to create more fear of Islam and bust them for plots that the RCMP contrived up. No no, we can ignore this, let's throw more crap around here.
Shady Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Maybe those who are taking Islam and Muslims to task should take our government to task in how our government treats these nations like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, while using the RCMP to rile up useful idiots to create more fear of Islam and bust them for plots that the RCMP contrived up. No no, we can ignore this, let's throw more crap around here. Sorry buddy, but the Koran, and the treatment of women and children as property existed long before the RCMP or even Canada existed. It's centuries old. But blame the West, make excuses for the rest continues.
GostHacked Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Sorry buddy, but the Koran, and the treatment of women and children as property existed long before the RCMP or even Canada existed. It's centuries old. But blame the West, make excuses for the rest continues. So do you believe the RCMP should be engaging in entrapment techniques for people that would not have become terrorists in the first place? This kind of thing leads you and others on this bandwagon of Islamophobia. I don't expect a well thought out answer.
Charles Anthony Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Guys, Stop derailing the thread. We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
Argus Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) No you don't. I think your issue is with intersectional feminism. Which is now the latest excuse to justify bad behaviour. Agreed. The zealots of the left have a pantheon of causes, and most of them are more important than a few hundred women being sexually assaulted. They're on a mission to defend the notion that all cultures are equal, and that advancing the cause of third world people sweeping aside the evils of Western culture and capitalism is the true calling of a progressive. Edited January 17, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dialamah Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 According to the site "Girls not Brides" the internationally recognized age for 'child' is 18; people who marry at younger ages are considered 'child-brides'. Thus, Canada is one of the many countries who allows child brides, since children of 16 are legally allowed to marry with parental consent. Until 2008, that age was 14. (Kudos to the Harper Conservatives for passing this legislation). The situation in the States is even more surprising; while most States limit legal marriage ages to 16 with parental consent, some States allow for marriages of children as young as 12 (Massachusetts), 13 (New Hampshire), 14 (Texas). Other States allow for marriage of younger kids, if both court and parental assent are granted; there are no minimum ages in Arizona, California, Colorado, North Carolina and West Virginia. One might think that a judge would have the common sense not to allow very young children to marry, but unfortunately that does not appear to be the case: IN the United States today, thousands of children under 18 have recently taken marital vows — mostly girls married to adult men, often with approval from local judges. In at least one case, a 10-year-old boy was legally married. One might also think that such marriages are only within certain immigrant communities, and again one would be wrong: One of the striking aspects of Tahirih's further research, including a 2011 study on forced marriage in the U.S., is that there is no single profile of the girls and women involved. They came from families of Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and other faiths, from immigrant families from many countries and from non-immigrant communities, too. If there is a common denominator, it's this, says Smoot: "Whenever you have a community that is closed, where it's difficult to reach outside it, where there are great stakes to oppose community norms, that contributes to child marriage happening." Obviously, while child-marriages in the States and Canada are happening, they are not happening to nearly the extent they do in developing countries, where one third of the girls are married before age 18, and one in 9 is married before the age of 15. The prevalence of child marriage in these countries is a result of a variety of factors, including culture, security, status of women and poverty. Child marriages happen in many cultures and religions, but the most important drivers are poverty and the lack of opportunity/education afforded women. Attempts in this thread to paint Muslims as "bad" because of the prevalence of child-marriage in that culture misses the mark because of the fact that child-marriage is practiced around the world, and not just by Muslims. Child-marriage is not an indicator of societal pedophilia; more often, it is a sign of poverty/lack of education. While some Middle Eastern (and other) immigrants coming to Canada may still cling to their cultural ways, it's even more likely that the women and girls will benefit from Canada's protection of women and children, and from the increased opportunities for education and work. Objecting to these immigrants because of child-marriage issues doesn't *help* the women one is supposedly concerned about. Instead, it seeks to leave those women trapped in that world. Disqualifier: Nothing in this post should be taken to mean that I agree with, support or condone marriage laws for 9-year-olds, Sharia law, children getting married, rape, murder or terrorism by non-white, non-Christians. These activities are abhorrent to me regardless of religious affiliation, color of skin or ethnic background of the perpetrator. .
dialamah Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 No you don't. I think your issue is with intersectional feminism. Which is now the latest excuse to justify bad behaviour. No idea what *intersectional feminism" means and suspect its some kind of red herring, so I'll ignore it. Still, I'd like an answer to my question: since you choose to bring out the bad behavior of non-white, non-Christians, does that mean you approve the same behavior in white Christians? Because you know, I keep getting accused of the reverse and I'd like to know if you think it's a valid argument when used on you.
waldo Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 According to the site "Girls not Brides" the internationally recognized age for 'child' is 18; people who marry at younger ages are considered 'child-brides'. Thus, Canada is one of the many countries who allows child brides, since children of 16 are legally allowed to marry with parental consent. Until 2008, that age was 14. oh my... that's going to sting the phobes here! Why MLW Shady's own provided link speaks to the proposed (withdrawn) Pakistan bill as an intent to raise the legal age for marriage in Pakistan from the current 16 to 18 years of age. I expect MLW member 'Shady' will be along shortly to offer his clarification.
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Yeah...just tripping over the child brides getting married on the weekend, here. How many (too) young Canadian girls were married-off to old men in your hood, waldo? Ten? Twenty? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
waldo Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 How many (too) young Canadian girls were married-off to old men in your hood, waldo? Ten? Twenty? I knew we could bring your focus back to Canada... I just knew it! Oh wait, aren't you in a real quandary now, hey... cause the last thing you want is to speak to the thread OP and actually focus on Canada... and actually have to support your oft expressed phobia in real demonstrated and practical applications within Canada! Isn't that right?
Argus Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) oh my... that's going to sting the phobes here! Why MLW Shady's own provided link speaks to the proposed (withdrawn) Pakistan bill as an intent to raise the legal age for marriage in Pakistan from the current 16 to 18 years of age. I expect MLW member 'Shady' will be along shortly to offer his clarification. The current legal age for marriage in Pakistan is largely unimportant given the endemic corruption there, and the growing tide of religious fanaticism. Since the religious council has decreed that the existing law is 'unislamic and blasphemous' don't expect anyone to be enforcing it any time soon. The CII has already ruled the minimum age stipulated for marriage in the Child Marriages Restriction Act of 1929 does not comply with Islamic laws. In May 2014, amid severe criticism from various quarters, the council had endorsed its earlier ruling that girls as young as nine years old were eligible to be married “if the signs of puberty are visible”. http://tribune.com.pk/story/1027742/settled-matter-bill-aiming-to-ban-child-marriages-shot-down/ Edited January 17, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 The current legal age for marriage in Pakistan is largely unimportant please! MLW member 'DogOnPorch' has correctly put the focus of this thread back on Canada. Perhaps you could leverage your want to extend upon a Pakistan reference accordingly... you know, Canada.
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 please! MLW member 'DogOnPorch' has correctly put the focus of this thread back on Canada. Perhaps you could leverage your want to extend upon a Pakistan reference accordingly... you know, Canada. The claim was that only folks from Western nations engage in child molestation. Proven incorrect. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 The claim was that only folks from Western nations engage in child molestation. Proven incorrect. Where was that claim made? Or are you assuming that when someone (such as myself) points out that the those things you are using as a reason to limit or eliminate immigration from the Middle Eastern region, is also practiced in your culture/region, they are somehow also claiming it doesn't happen anywhere else?
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Where was that claim made? Or are you assuming that when someone (such as myself) points out that the those things you are using as a reason to limit or eliminate immigration from the Middle Eastern region, is also practiced in your culture/region, they are somehow also claiming it doesn't happen anywhere else? Paranoid, aren't you? http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/25285-islamophobia-in-canada/?p=1131955 Child molestation is a crime in Canada. A very serious one. Not so in many places on planet Earth...as was just proven. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/15/bill-banning-child-marriage-fails-in-pakistan-after-its-deemed-un-islamic/?tid=sm_tw Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Paranoid, aren't you? http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/25285-islamophobia-in-canada/?p=1131955 Child molestation is a crime in Canada. A very serious one. Not so in many places on planet Earth...as was just proven. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/15/bill-banning-child-marriage-fails-in-pakistan-after-its-deemed-un-islamic/?tid=sm_tw Your links did not support your point.
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Your links did not support your point. You're free to read whatever you like into Pakistan's decision in order to save your sense of credulity. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hudson Jones Posted January 17, 2016 Author Report Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) If pedophelia is a white-people problem, why do so many non-white countries have a significant percentage of girls married under the age of 15? -k In those countries, they're allowed to under their law. In the Western countries, the minimum age for marriage is different. The highest percentages of marriage by 15 are in africa and many are either majority Christian or at least half Christian. Countries like Iran and Iraq who are both majority Muslim are under 5%. This only goes to show that it's not about religion but cultural norms. But you're confusing the situation with men who seek out little kids, usually under 10 year olds for sexual gratification. This is of course, against the law. My question to you is: Should white men be feared for being pedophiles because there are sex tours in Southeast Asia where you see white men going to? Because there is a high percentage of white men in prisons for pedophilia? Because white man is likely to be a pedophile in the U.S. compared to other racial backgrounds? Let's add to that; What about the epidemic of school shootings in the U.S. Why are they almost always white boys? What is the solution to the problem we have with white men and white boys who are usually the ones committing pedophilia in North America and shooting up schools? Edited January 17, 2016 by Hudson Jones When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
dialamah Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 You're free to read whatever you like into Pakistan's decision in order to save your sense of credulity. The quote you linked to, which I presume is this one, does not claim that "only white people commit pedophilia". Just because I constantly see news about white pedophiles, committing crimes against children, and since majority of them are white men, I don't get all panicky when my children are around other white men and I don't cry about allowing white males into the country. The news story you linked to says this: The bill, which proposed raising the marriage age for females from 16 to 18, also called for harsher penalties for those who would arrange marriages involving children. If a law allowing marriage between 16-year-olds is pedophiliac, then Canada is also a nation of pedophiles, since we also allow 16-year-olds to marry. No doubt you are intending to reference this part of the news story: "Clerics on the council object to minimum age requirements, arguing instead that an individual can marry once reaching puberty, which can be as early as the age of 9.", Given your continuing lack of reading comprehension, it probably comes as a surprise to you that 9-year-olds marrying is NOT the law in Iran; it's merely what some clerics think is a good idea. You can find Catholic clerics in various countries who'd also ok such young marriages. Do some research on Ecuador and Columbia. It may also surprise you to learn that not a single person on this board has ever said they support pedophilia of any kind, by any person, in any country. Nor has anyone said they support children getting married.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 ....Let's add to that; What about the epidemic of school shootings in the U.S. Why are they almost always white boys? What is the solution to the problem we have with white men and white boys who are usually the ones committing pedophilia in North America and shooting up schools? How does one questionable racial assertion for the U.S. become applicable to all of North America (Mexico, Canada, USA) ? Economics trumps Virtue.
dialamah Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 How does one questionable racial assertion for the U.S. become applicable to all of North America (Mexico, Canada, USA) ? For the point that predominantly White men, or even White American men are the most likely to commit mass murders (in the US, anyway). So should we now be generally afraid of White men, or White American men? The answer to that, in case you were wondering, would be "NO", because what a few do is not a prediction of what the many will do. Anyway, it's not a 'questionable' racial assertion; it's fairly proven out in various statistics and iirc, applies around the globe, not just in America. But as it's off-topic to this thread, I'm not going to research.
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