DogOnPorch Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 I wouldn't be surprised if that happens. Those bodies though, never trump actual courts. Why? What makes Canada special? Its legal system? Parliament? What exactly is Canada's magical suit of armor vs Islam? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
PIK Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 What worries me is trudeau love affair with Islam. After the attacks the other day, he runs to a mosque to give a speech about the victims and he was not even ask, he just did it. That is what worries me, what is his plan for Islam in Canada. Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Hudson Jones Posted January 18, 2016 Author Report Posted January 18, 2016 In non-Muslim states, yes. Not so much in Muslim states. Please show proof that having sex with children is allowed in Muslim States. When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted January 18, 2016 Author Report Posted January 18, 2016 I can't think of many people in Canada who think our culture should change to be more reflective of Islamic values. That's your perspective. I don't think it will and many others agree as well. We have over 1 million Muslims living in Canada. They've mostly come through the regular immigration process or refugee programs. Is there a push for Canada to start adopting the Islamic values that you are so afraid of? When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted January 18, 2016 Author Report Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) What worries me is trudeau love affair with Islam. After the attacks the other day, he runs to a mosque to give a speech about the victims and he was not even ask, he just did it. That is what worries me, what is his plan for Islam in Canada. The plan continues as is. Let it be. We have over a million Muslims in Canada. That's out of 36 million people. Nothing has happened to Canada and Canadians because we have Muslims here. Why are you so afraid? Edited January 18, 2016 by Hudson Jones When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted January 18, 2016 Author Report Posted January 18, 2016 I'd point out that first off, the 10,000-25,000 is in addition to the Muslims we already bring into Canada, which have numbered 40,000-50,000 a year in recent years. So yes, the number of refugees is pretty small in the big picture, but it's accelerating a trend that's already underway. I'd also point out that like dialamah you're pointing to the small number as a positive. Doesn't that imply you recognize that the issues I'm talking about have some validity? I really do appreciate all the progress that has been made in Canada over the years, especially on womens' rights and gay rights. Which is why I'm extremely skeptical that these newly arriving social conservatives will have a positive impact on our country. Sure, I understand that many of them just want to be safe and raise their families and don't want to cause trouble for anybody. But there's still a portion within the community that holds views that are toxic and incompatible with our values. I will again mention the two progressive Muslims I quoted earlier in the thread who pointed out that there are Imams who do preach that western women are whores and deserve to be treated like garbage. That's not coming from Breitbart or Stormfront, that's coming from the progressive Muslims that people are always saying need to be listened to. -k I think the difference between you and I is that when I think Muslims, I don't see this: When I think Muslim, I just see another person. My image of Muslims comes from my experience with them and the travels I have done. Many people who are Islamophobes, tend equate Muslims to the extreme caricatures that are out there. Like the small group of extremists who are in London and who protest with signs saying: "Islam will dominate" or "Submit to Islam". I see those guys as nothing other than a yapping minority, who are using freedom of speech to be stupid. Kind of like the extremist Christian group, Westboro Baptist Church who love to freely express their stupidity. I'm glad no one sees Christians the same way. When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Rue Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Please show proof that having sex with children is allowed in Muslim States. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Contemporary_Pedophilic_Islamic_Marriages http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2011/10/02/sharia-law-has-led-to-the-legislation-of-child-marriage-in-6-countries.html http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259971/child-marriage-iran-dr-majid-rafizadeh http://www.unicef.org/jordan/UNICEFJordan_EarlyMarriageStudy2014-E_COPY_.pdf http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/22/syrian-child-brides-seeking-asylum-open-new-front-european-migrant-crisis/ http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2010/menachildmarriage.aspx http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/MassMuslimMarriage.htm http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/614083/Fatema-Alkasem-Child-Refugee-Brides-Netherlands-Paedophilia-EU-European-Union http://www.honordiaries.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/HonorDiariesForcedMarriageFactSheet.pdf http://egyptianstreets.com/2015/08/01/child-marriages-form-15-of-all-marriages-in-egypt/
Argus Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Why are you so afraid? Maybe he cares about what happens to Canada. You ever consider that? I know it's a strange concept. In my experience most progressives hate Canada, and certainly don't care what happens to it, as long as it becomes less western, less capitalist, and less white. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) Many people who are Islamophobes, tend equate Muslims to the extreme caricatures that are out there. Like the small group of extremists who are in London and who protest with signs saying: "Islam will dominate" or "Submit to Islam". I see those guys as nothing other than a yapping minority, who are using freedom of speech to be stupid. Kind of like the extremist Christian group, Westboro Baptist Church who love to freely express their stupidity. That argument has long been discredited by opinion polls showing what hundreds of millions of Muslims think, what values they support, and what laws and punishments they believe in. Why can't a woman walk around in Cairo, even wearing a burka, without being sexually harassed and assaulted? Why have 99% of women in Egypt had to undergo genital mutilation? Why do the great majority of people in Jordan and Pakistan believe its acceptable for a husband to beat his wife if displeased with her? Why do the great majority of people in Afghanistan and Tehran believe you should be executed if you leave Islam? Why do people in Palestine and Saudi Arabia support death for blaspheme? Edited January 19, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Rue Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 I think the difference between you and I is that when I think Muslims, I don't see this: When I think Muslim, I just see another person. My image of Muslims comes from my experience with them and the travels I have done. Many people who are Islamophobes, tend equate Muslims to the extreme caricatures that are out there. Like the small group of extremists who are in London and who protest with signs saying: "Islam will dominate" or "Submit to Islam". I see those guys as nothing other than a yapping minority, who are using freedom of speech to be stupid. Kind of like the extremist Christian group, Westboro Baptist Church who love to freely express their stupidity. I'm glad no one sees Christians the same way. Given what you have written about Israelis, Jews, Zionists, or anyone who you agrees with the right of Jews to have their own state, your above sanctimonious defense portraying yourself as a model of tolerance for Muslims and trying to use pictures to call others bigots to me is utter nonsense. I also believe if you think you can infer others are anti Muslim bigots on this forum then I can infer you are a Muslim sympathetic to Muslim extremist beliefs posing as a Christian. Knock off the sanctimony and not so subtle accusations of others for the same reason you do not like it done to you. Discuss the issues please. You have no proof anyone is a bigot. Please stop baiting people with passive negative inferences and address the issues.
Hudson Jones Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Posted January 19, 2016 Maybe he cares about what happens to Canada. You ever consider that? I know it's a strange concept. In my experience most progressives hate Canada, and certainly don't care what happens to it, as long as it becomes less western, less capitalist, and less white. Again, that's based on the opinion that Canada will magically change into something totally different. We have had Muslims living in Canada for a long time. We have over 1 million Muslims now and they have not had any negative influence on our society. Muslims are working in our hospitals, schools, banks, governments, etc. All this fear is amusing. History does repeat itself. Scared white Canadians did the same thing when there were boats coming from India, China, Vietnam, Kosovo, Ukraine and etc. Even when the Irish and Italians started migrating here, there was a lot of crying from scared people that the immigrants would bring in their less sophisticated culture and ruin Canada. When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Posted January 19, 2016 Given what you have written about Israelis, Jews, Zionists, or anyone who you agrees with the right of Jews to have their own state, your above sanctimonious defense portraying yourself as a model of tolerance for Muslims and trying to use pictures to call others bigots to me is utter nonsense. I also believe if you think you can infer others are anti Muslim bigots on this forum then I can infer you are a Muslim sympathetic to Muslim extremist beliefs posing as a Christian. Knock off the sanctimony and not so subtle accusations of others for the same reason you do not like it done to you. Discuss the issues please. You have no proof anyone is a bigot. Please stop baiting people with passive negative inferences and address the issues. Your lack of attention to what people say on here and their position has already been stated by several people who you have tried communicating with. Your post above is another example of one of your biggest shortcomings. First of all, I'm not Christian. Second, I don't have any negative views of "Jews". In fact, I have a lot of positive feelings towards people who happen to be Jewish. On the topic of human rights and the Middle East alone, some of the leading activists are Jewish. If we are talking about ideologies, then I do have issues with many ideologies. Everything from Wahabists/Salafism, to Zionism. Any time an ideology and its followers want to trample over another person's rights in order to further their own agenda, then I speak out against it. I don't care if they're Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Atheist, Buddhist or anything else. When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) Why can't a woman walk around in Cairo, even wearing a burka, without being sexually harassed and assaulted? That's an extreme description of what happens to a woman in Cairo, especially if she is wearing a burka. However, let`s play your simplistic, superficial game; My answer to that is, put that woman in most other Muslim countries and she would be okay. Put her in Iran, Turkey, Iraq, Indonesia, Malaysia, Syria (before the bombings started) and many other Muslim countries and she will be fine. This goes to show that you are seriously lacking in judgement and comprehension of how things work if you blame a religion and everyone who follow it on the acts of some individuals. Edited January 19, 2016 by Hudson Jones When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Boges Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 I'm glad no one sees Christians the same way. Perhaps if extreme Christian groups committed acts of terror at the same clip as Muslim groups people would. What would you say if a Christian killed 6 Canadians because of his/her religion? The comparison to the WBC isn't equivalent. The fact that you'd compare what they do to international terrorism shows your extreme bias.
Hudson Jones Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Posted January 19, 2016 Perhaps if extreme Christian groups committed acts of terror at the same clip as Muslim groups people would. What would you say if a Christian killed 6 Canadians because of his/her religion? The comparison to the WBC isn't equivalent. The fact that you'd compare what they do to international terrorism shows your extreme bias. The thing is, many people in the Middle East and Africa see the so-called "collateral damage" from military actions as terrorism. Thousands of innocent people have been killed by Western countries. Whether bombs dropping on weddings or hospitals, to trigger happy, raping mercenaries, contracted out by the U.S. government. Or the disgusting behaviour at Abu Ghraib and numerous other unreported actions by Westerners. When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 How many millions of "Westerners" have emigrated or sought refugee status in Muslim nations ? Canada's Airborne Regiment was not contracted out by the U.S. government. Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 So I glazed over the past few pages of garbage and I still don't see the thread getting back on track. Good thing there was no Germanphobia that would have prevented people like me and DogonPorch from being born in Canada.
DogOnPorch Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 So I glazed over the past few pages of garbage and I still don't see the thread getting back on track. Good thing there was no Germanphobia that would have prevented people like me and DogonPorch from being born in Canada. There indeed was a thing called Germanphobia. My father and his brothers all went through it. Solution: join the air force. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 The thing is, many people in the Middle East and Africa see the so-called "collateral damage" from military actions as terrorism. Thousands of innocent people have been killed by Western countries. Whether bombs dropping on weddings or hospitals, to trigger happy, raping mercenaries, contracted out by the U.S. government. Or the disgusting behaviour at Abu Ghraib and numerous other unreported actions by Westerners. What type of Western military actions are going on in Burkina Faso?
Rue Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) Hudson Jones thaank you for clarifying you are not a Christian missionary when you lecture on tolerance. I knew you were not Christian. It was referenced because you were accusing others of being anti Muslim and now once again I say by doing that people can argue back you are anti Christian using your exact exercise of casting aspersions on others. The point remains your past posts and continuing posts make it clear you smeer Europeans, Jews, Christians anyone even Mulsims a s bigots if they have concerns as to Muslims engaging in crime, terrorism , rape, or advocating certain Islamic beleifs. You also in your continuing references to Zionism and Israel smeer all Jews in the very bigoted manner you accuse others now of doing with Muslims. In your world wiping out Zionism as a cancer is not anti Jewish but people criticizing extremist Muslim values makes them anti Muslim. Got it. Your posing as a model of Muslim tolerance and now Jewish tolerance is puke inducing. Edited January 19, 2016 by Rue
Argus Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Again, that's based on the opinion that Canada will magically change into something totally different. We have had Muslims living in Canada for a long time. We have over 1 million Muslims now and they have not had any negative influence on our society We have had Muslims in Canada for about forty years. There were so few of them in the 1971 census they didn't even have their own category. They were lumped in with 'other' under religions. But they have been doubling in numbers every ten years. A million now, soon to be two million, then four million. And there is absolutely no sign they are abandoning Islam or the values it teachers. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 1.7 billion people in that particular visible minority... Old school Canadian values will naturally dominate...naturally... Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hudson Jones Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Posted January 19, 2016 We have had Muslims in Canada for about forty years. There were so few of them in the 1971 census they didn't even have their own category. They were lumped in with 'other' under religions. But they have been doubling in numbers every ten years. A million now, soon to be two million, then four million. And there is absolutely no sign they are abandoning Islam or the values it teachers. So few of them in 1971! The good old days! Hopefully we can Make Canada Great Again! When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
WestCoastRunner Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 We have had Muslims in Canada for about forty years. There were so few of them in the 1971 census they didn't even have their own category. They were lumped in with 'other' under religions. But they have been doubling in numbers every ten years. A million now, soon to be two million, then four million. And there is absolutely no sign they are abandoning Islam or the values it teachers. You forgot to mention the Asians. Is there any other segment of our population you want to include? I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Hudson Jones Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) What type of Western military actions are going on in Burkina Faso? What does that have to do with what we're discussing. I am not blaming all conflicts on Western actions. Everyone knows that ISIS would not have formed if U.S. and the rest of the crusaders had not intervened in Iraq. We all know that there would be a lot less resentment towards the West and it would have been a lot more difficult for ISIS and other terrorist groups to recruit people, if the West did not have such a terrible track record when it comes to killing innocent civilians, torturing and raping people and their backing of dictators throughout the world. You have the option of being honest about the cause and effect, or go into superficial mode and turn into an extreme sports fan, cheering for and showing unconditional love for your team. Edited January 20, 2016 by Hudson Jones When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
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