Islamophobia in Canada

[kactus]

13 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The U.S. is part of NATO too, but that didn't stop you from singling out the "US of A".

Canada invented the "Responsibility to Protect" for domestic and international objectives, and milked it for all it was worth under Jean Chretien in the former Yugoslavia.

Ok.....let's start again....US of A, Canada, Belgium, Denmark.....Oh wait they all members of Nato....Da!

 

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, kactus said:

Ok.....let's start again....US of A, Canada, Belgium, Denmark.....Oh wait they all members of Nato....Da!

 

 

See...now how hard was that ?   

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, kactus said:

Ask your beloved US of A and Nato who created the balkanisation of former Yugoslavia. 

The 'schadenfreude' of 13th SS brigade still haunting you...

 

Division...get it right, Fritz.

[PIK]

4 hours ago, kactus said:

Ask your beloved US of A and Nato who created the balkanisation of former Yugoslavia. 

The 'schadenfreude' of 13th SS brigade still haunting you...

Actually NATO saved the muslim butt.

[Argus]

7 hours ago, kactus said:

Ask your beloved US of A and Nato who created the balkanisation of former Yugoslavia. 

Complete drivel, but typical of those who embrace Islam and hate the West.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, PIK said:

Actually NATO saved the muslim butt.

The West never do anything good. Haven't you realized that yet? Everything bad in the world is the West's fault. Anything good happens despite the West. I'd really like to take some of these people and parachute them into Egypt or Nigeria  or China so they'd be happy.

 

[Argus]

So to reiterate, the term Islamophobia is a meaningless epithet used against anyone who questions Islamic doctrine or the interpretation of Islam being made by Imams or the behavior or culture or values of Muslims in general. It was invented by progressives to protect Islam from reform, and used by them and Islamists against anyone who wants to reform Islam, even if they're Muslims. It arises, on the part of progressives, from a generalized hate of Western society and a grievance/victim mentality which always seeks to align itself with anyone else perceived as anti-West, or who might be the 'victim' of Western or White oppression - whether they actually are or not.

[dialamah]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

So to reiterate, the term Islamophobia is a meaningless epithet used against anyone who questions Islamic doctrine or the interpretation of Islam being made by Imams or the behavior or culture or values of Muslims in general. It was invented by progressives to protect Islam from reform, and used by them and Islamists against anyone who wants to reform Islam, even if they're Muslims. It arises, on the part of progressives, from a generalized hate of Western society and a grievance/victim mentality which always seeks to align itself with anyone else perceived as anti-West, or who might be the 'victim' of Western or White oppression - whether they actually are or not.

So much bullshit.  Islamaphobia refers to those people who are so afraid of Islam, they are unable to talk rationally about it.  They think a motion proposing a study is a law against free speech, that Muslims are just itching to impose the Most extreme form of Sharia on Wsterners, they spread myths fuelled by fear and ignorance, while denying and discounting anything suggesting Muslims aren't a threat to Western civilization.

Please note that I am replying to you, but this is not explicitly about you.  If you see yourself in the description above, that is not my problem.  If you don't, then you have no need to take my comments personally.

 

[DogOnPorch]

5 minutes ago, dialamah said:

So much bullshit.  Islamaphobia refers to those people who are so afraid of Islam, they are unable to talk rationally about it.  They think a motion proposing a study is a law against free speech, that Muslims are just itching to impose the Most extreme form of Sharia on Wsterners, they spread myths fuelled by fear and ignorance, while denying and discounting anything suggesting Muslims aren't a threat to Western civilization.

Please note that I am replying to you, but this is not explicitly about you.  If you see yourself in the description above, that is not my problem.  If you don't, then you have no need to take my comments personally.

 

 

Islamophobia's only function is to silence criticism of your preferred cult.

[DogOnPorch]

I mean...heck....what could possibly be wrong with a religion that smashes airliners full of people into skyscrapers?

 

[PIK]

18 minutes ago, dialamah said:

So much bullshit.  Islamaphobia refers to those people who are so afraid of Islam, they are unable to talk rationally about it.  They think a motion proposing a study is a law against free speech, that Muslims are just itching to impose the Most extreme form of Sharia on Wsterners, they spread myths fuelled by fear and ignorance, while denying and discounting anything suggesting Muslims aren't a threat to Western civilization.

Please note that I am replying to you, but this is not explicitly about you.  If you see yourself in the description above, that is not my problem.  If you don't, then you have no need to take my comments personally.

 

So much BS. Islamophobia is a word used to shut down conversations about a troubled religion. If that religion is so good why are muslims dying to get to a christian country?

[Argus]

31 minutes ago, dialamah said:

So much bullshit.  Islamaphobia refers to those people who are so afraid of Islam, they are unable to talk rationally about it.

You sound upset and not talking very rationally. I always talk rationally about Islam, and always refer to well-respected studies and surveys as well as mainstream reports of religious outrages perpetrated throughout the Muslim world, or in the West by Muslims. Others might not be so careful, but then the discussion often gets fractious given the noted habit of progressive defenders of Islam to hurl insults at anyone uncomfortable with it.

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They think a motion proposing a study is a law against free speech,

Not true. It's proposing a study which will be used as the pretext for a law against free speech. Given the revulsion so many progressive have for free speech that's a reasonable fear.

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that Muslims are just itching to impose the Most extreme form of Sharia on Wsterners,

I don't know anyone who says that. However, if you examine surveys taken in the Muslim world you find enormous majorities, sometimes over 90%, in all our immigration source countries wanting Sharia law imposed. So being wary of that is, I think, quite reasonable. OUR Muslims, after all, mostly came from THERE, as did virtually every imam in every mosque in Canada, and nobody screened any of them for their religious or social views. Thus the belief of progressives that OUR Muslims desires on the subject differ hugely from THERE is, I think, somewhat irrational. 

 

Edited September 18, 2017 by Argus

[jacee]

On 17/09/2017 at 9:07 AM, DogOnPorch said:

Yet here you are enjoying their internet. Using it to spread your Islam.

Where SHOULD we look to in order to see Islam practiced properly as Mohammad intended?

DoP

This is Canada. 

We defend freedom of religion, regardless. It is not 'spreading Islam' to defend people's right to practice Islam.

Your Islamophobia is not welcome.

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

I [...] always refer to well-respected studies and surveys as well as mainstream reports

Yes, you do.  You also assert that the parts of those studies that do not support your claim are wrong and/or the respondents are lying about those parts, but not the parts that support what you believe.  

1 hour ago, Argus said:

It's proposing a study

Yes it is, but some people claim it's a proposed law that limits free speech, or that it is a law already passed.   

1 hour ago, Argus said:

which will be used as the pretext for a law against free speech.

The same was said of the Ottawa Protocol prior to its adoption, but those people were wrong.  Even if that were the intent (and I don't believe for a minute that it is), common sense should tell people that given the scrutiny of the opposition and anti-Islam watchers, the chances of that happening are absolutely nil.

1 hour ago, Argus said:

if you examine surveys taken in the Muslim world you find enormous majorities, sometimes over 90%, in all our immigration source countries wanting Sharia law imposed.

If you examine those surveys, they want Sharia for themselves, not everyone.  In addition, they may only envision Sharia as applying to family law or inheritance and not necessarily criminal behavior.  The study takes pains to point that out.

1 hour ago, Argus said:

You sound upset and not talking very rationally.

 

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Given the revulsion so many progressive have for free speech that's a reasonable fear.

I notice you could not resist the impulse to toss in a couple of insults although the post you responded to contained none.   I thought you didn't do that.

[dialamah]

Canadians don't recognize Islamaphobia even as Mosques are subjected to hateful graffiti, death threats are sent to Mosques, Muslim women are attacked verbally and physically in public, and six Muslims are killed while praying.  Religiously motivated attacks against Muslims have risen 253% over four years, but Islamaphobia is a made up term by Liberals to kill free speech.  SMH

[PIK]

17 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Canadians don't recognize Islamaphobia even as Mosques are subjected to hateful graffiti, death threats are sent to Mosques, Muslim women are attacked verbally and physically in public, and six Muslims are killed while praying.  Religiously motivated attacks against Muslims have risen 253% over four years, but Islamaphobia is a made up term by Liberals to kill free speech.  SMH

You are right and those numbers tells me Islam is not welcome. Get over it. We live in a free society.

[PIK]

49 minutes ago, jacee said:

DoP

This is Canada. 

We defend freedom of religion, regardless. It is not 'spreading Islam' to defend people's right to practice Islam.

Your Islamophobia is not welcome.

We do not defend Islam 10th century practises. The thing that makes me lose all respect for you is in Islam you are nothing but a peice of meat for the men to do whatever they want, and you defend that?

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, PIK said:

You are right and those numbers tells me Islam is not welcome. Get over it. We live in a free society.

So its ok to attack and kill people who have done nothing wrong?

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, PIK said:

 Islam you are nothing but a peice of meat for the men to do whatever they want, 

I agree Islam has sone pretty outdated practices, but this bit simply isn't true. 

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I agree Islam has sone pretty outdated practices, but this bit simply isn't true. 

Maybe not amongst some progressive Muslims who live in Western countries, but for the majority of the Muslim world, it is true.

[DogOnPorch]

56 minutes ago, jacee said:

DoP

This is Canada. 

We defend freedom of religion, regardless. It is not 'spreading Islam' to defend people's right to practice Islam.

Your Islamophobia is not welcome.

 

And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

https://quran.com/8/39

That's from your Quran...

If only the kafir would just submit and stop complaining about the Only True Religion.

[dialamah]

Just now, Goddess said:

Maybe not amongst some progressive Muslims who live in Western countries, but for the majority of the Muslim world, it is true.

You would know, of course.

[DogOnPorch]

Islam does mean Submission.

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

You would know, of course.

Well, you've been asked quite a few times to state which Muslim countries have equality of the sexes.....

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

You would know, of course.

 

You seem to...