GostHacked Posted December 22, 2015 Report Posted December 22, 2015 Maybe when we stop spending billions on policies that create refugees in the first place. It does not matter how many times you and I repeat this, we have some that just don't get it (and possibly on purpose) to create an argument where there really should be none.
jbg Posted December 22, 2015 Report Posted December 22, 2015 3 million Muslims in U.S. and 1 million in Canada. When do you suppose these dangerous people will finally murder us all? As we saw in San Bernardino whenever they want to. Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted December 22, 2015 Report Posted December 22, 2015 Maybe when we stop spending billions on policies that create refugees in the first place. Are you saying they didn't have wars and massacres on their own? Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted December 22, 2015 Report Posted December 22, 2015 Don't come back at me with another ad hominem argument, What ad hominem argument was that? if you have a response to the content of this post then do it with some proofs of areas where large groups of Muslims don't spell death for other cultures. I have more to fear from lightning. FWIW this is absolutely not the same thing as saying that there are no nice muslims. There's lot's of nice lightning too, like Muslims, the vast VAST majority of it doesn't spell death at all. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 22, 2015 Report Posted December 22, 2015 Are you saying they didn't have wars and massacres on their own? No. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
tworivers Posted December 22, 2015 Report Posted December 22, 2015 Maybe when we stop spending billions on policies that create refugees in the first place. That does not change the facts I was talking about and good luck with that idea. Here is another one that needs to change in Canada , multiculturalism has failed so we need to adjust our thinking.
Argus Posted December 22, 2015 Report Posted December 22, 2015 It does not matter how many times you and I repeat this, we have some that just don't get it (and possibly on purpose) to create an argument where there really should be none. Yeah, it really doesn't matter given neither of you have any facts to back you up. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted December 22, 2015 Report Posted December 22, 2015 Yeah, it really doesn't matter given neither of you have any facts to back you up. You have evidence our military involvement in Iraq/Syriais generating a surplus? Given you're some kind of big shot at Revenue Canada it stands to reason you'd know. This should be good news for tworivers who as we can see is very concerned about the poor people of Surrey. Your own concern for poor people is of coures almost legendary. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Rue Posted December 22, 2015 Report Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) Yesterday , like everyday , I gave some homeless folks food and some warm clothes. One of the homeless talked to me which is rare because most people usually ignore or call them lazy so they are scared for their safety. I asked her what happened that she and her son live on the street. Long story short they fell not through the crack in our system but the gaping hole that is there and they are all but forgotten. She is trying to work 2 minimum wage jobs and the 15 year old son delivers papers. Now here in Surrey BC we do not have the funding or the space for most poor and homeless people. There are no politicians here getting there picture taken with them and they are invisible , so my question is to all these folks here who want to help the refugees in other countries... When will we help our own people as we seem to be able to find billions for them to come here and what ignore the problem here we have had for many years ? I hear you loud and clear. Seems to me to, that politicians of the day ride whatever they find the trendy cause and ignore the actual reality in front of their face. I do not like trendy causes and do gooders who jump on the trendy cause of the day. This current government is using Syrian refugees as a feel good fix to avoid reality. No a photo op won't feed the poor on our streets. I do not think a sheltered rich boy like Trudeau is capable of understanding the cycle of poverty you eloquently described. I don't see it. Myself I believe you and me have to work on our own at a grass roots level with others and not rely on government. It starts in a soup kitchen, church, house of worship, vans driving and doing patrols and leaving food, someone acknowledging the addictive drugs, alcohol, pandemic suicide in aboriginal communities, etc. I work in the system. I don't see government being any help. I do though see miracles happen. They happen by just one individual helping another without any fanfare. I know good people who work on the streets and in the system as a job and as volunteers. Those are my heroes. Not politicians getting photo ops. So I say thank you to you for helping, don't stop helping-you do miracles-far more than any smiley photo op. Edited December 22, 2015 by Rue
WestCanMan Posted December 22, 2015 Report Posted December 22, 2015 What ad hominem argument was that? I have more to fear from lightning. There's lot's of nice lightning too, like Muslims, the vast VAST majority of it doesn't spell death at all. So you didn't go with an ad hominem argument but you came back with something blatantly stupid, nice curve there eyeball. If you lived in an area where Muslims were powerful enough to make the rules you would fear them a lot more than lightning, but if you can find a place on earth where that isn't the case please enlighten me. I will be shocked to see you post anything more substantial than your own opinion. If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
eyeball Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) So you didn't go with an ad hominem argument but you came back with something blatantly stupid, nice curve there eyeball. Excuse me but I came back with a blatantly verifiable fact. You've acknowledged you were wrong to accuse me of making an ad hominem argument when I pressed you on your claim so you should be able to admit I'm entirely correct when I claim I stand a much greater chance of being killed by lightning than by an Islamic terrorist. How Scared of Terrorism Should You Be? Not very. You are four times more likely to be killed by a lightning bolt than by a terror attack. Source If you lived in an area where Muslims were powerful enough to make the rules you would fear them a lot more than lightning, but if you can find a place on earth where that isn't the case please enlighten me. I will be shocked to see you post anything more substantial than your own opinion. If you recall we're talking about Islamophobia in Canada not Khandar or the Caliphate, go check the thread title yourself if you don't believe me. I'm shocked at how easily you walked into this one. Maybe it says a lot about the capacity of fear to thoroughly render someone incapable of cogent thought but that said...I'm not shocked to see people who accuse others of using ad hominem fallacies turn right around and commit the informal fallacy of moving goalposts around when they're desperate to maintain the credibility of their case. You want my opinion? Here's one, these debating tactics do not indicate an ignorant phobia that needs pitying, they indicate an inciteful loathing that should be excoriated. It's a real pleasure to do so with the same material you've provided to feign your ignorance. Edited December 23, 2015 by eyeball A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Excuse me but I came back with a blatantly verifiable fact. You've acknowledged you were wrong to accuse me of making an ad hominem argument when I pressed you on your claim so you should be able to admit I'm entirely correct when I claim I stand a much greater chance of being killed by lightning than by an Islamic terrorist. As usual around here, your source does not apply to Canada or Canadians with respect to terror attacks or lightning strikes. Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 You're right, there's apparently an even greater chance of death by lightning in Canada. U.S. Lightning Deaths in 2015: 26 Lightning is a common meteorological hazard in Canada, which regularly kills and injures people. Based on an analysis of media reports, vital statistics, hospital admission and ER records, and fire loss data, it is estimated that each year on average in Canada, there are between nine and 10 lightning-related deaths and up to 164 lightning-related injuries. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 You're right, there's apparently an even greater chance of death by lightning in Canada. Good job....that wasn't so hard, now was it ? Canada is not the United States...even lightning knows the difference. It's just another kind of phobia caused by watching so much American television. Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Good job....that wasn't so hard, now was it ? Canada is not the United States...even lightning knows the difference. It's just another kind of phobia caused by watching so much American television. Moose are the killers around here. But I've never seen them gather to chant Death to America. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Good job....that wasn't so hard, now was it ?No, I'm not afraid of admitting I'm wrong at all. It's just another kind of phobia caused by watching so much American television.If you say so. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Moose are the killers around here. But I've never seen them gather to chant Death to America.Death to Canada you mean. This is not a thread about Islamophobia in America. Get with the program. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) Death to Canada you mean. This is not a thread about Islamophobia in America. Get with the program. My wife and a good chunk o' the clan live-in or are-from the US of A. I make little distinction between Americans and Canadians...however, there is more distinction these days than there was thanks to international terrorism. Passports and such. There was a time when all you needed were mouse ears on the kids... Edited December 23, 2015 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 What was old is new again....the good 'ol America hating days of Pierre Trudeau are back! Blame Islamophobia..... Economics trumps Virtue.
Ike Softner Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 What was old is new again....the good 'ol America hating days of Pierre Trudeau are back! Blame Islamophobia..... Who hates Americans? Apparently I'm a rebel. I kinda lIKE that label. Rebel Ike.
eyeball Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) My wife and a good chunk o' the clan live-in or are-from the US of A. I make little distinction between Americans and Canadians...however, there is more distinction these days than there was thanks to international terrorism. Passports and such. There was a time when all you needed mouse ears on the kids... That distinction is just a product of fear which indicates who's most fearful. I'll never forget the look on this American skippers face when he pulled into our harbour one Friday night when I told him there was no customs dock or agent available to welcome screen him or his boat until Monday morning. I suggested the pub was open and to come on up for a beer. He shook his head and muttered something about asking for it and dropped anchor and waited till Monday morning. Edited December 23, 2015 by eyeball A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 That distinction is just a product of fear which indicates who's most fearful. No...the passports are quite real. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Souriquois Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) https://twitter.com/ezralevant One of the worst offenders. This guy is the worst:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Gaffney His absurd conspiracy theories about Islam have spread all over the Western world. Ezra Levant repeats his nonsense. The guy is really out there. But his theories reach the mainstream because he is very well funded... by defense contractors like Lockheed Martin no less. Islamophobia is spiraling out of control. I'm not even Muslim and I find it scary. I can imagine Muslims find it scarier. Edited December 23, 2015 by Souriquois
dialamah Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Some here have expressed doubt that Muslims would ever help Christians. On Monday in Kenya, Islamic militants attacked a bus carrying both Muslims and Christians and ordered the Muslims and Christians to separate so they could kill Christians; the Muslims refused and told the militants "You'll have to kill us all". The Muslim passengers who were mostly women told the Islamic militants to kill them all or leave them alone, witnesses said. They gave the Christian women their hijabs and helped others hide behind bags in the bus, passenger Abdiqafar Teno told CNN. "They told them, 'If you want to kill us, then kill us. There are no Christians here," he said.
DogOnPorch Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Some here have expressed doubt that Muslims would ever help Christians. On Monday in Kenya, Islamic militants attacked a bus carrying both Muslims and Christians and ordered the Muslims and Christians to separate so they could kill Christians; the Muslims refused and told the militants "You'll have to kill us all". Who expressed doubt? Oskar Schindler saved thousands of people from the SS-RSHA. Does that mean Reinhard Heydrich was really a nice fellow? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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