WestCoastRunner Posted December 27, 2015 Report Posted December 27, 2015 I'd believe all religions were equal...equally peaceful....equally violent...if they in fact WERE. But they are NOT. You, however, can tell yourself anything you wish to justify Islam's actions on the world stage. My questions still stand: Did Mohammad murder anybody? Did Mohammad rape anybody? Did Mohammad molest children? Did Mohammad lead armies to conquer territory for the religion he created? Did Jesus....? Same questions. Since Jesus and Mohammad are figments of the imagination, I would say No. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
DogOnPorch Posted December 27, 2015 Report Posted December 27, 2015 Since Jesus and Mohammad are figments of the imagination, I would say No. So you don't believe Mohammad existed? How about Julius Caesar? Alexander? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted December 27, 2015 Report Posted December 27, 2015 Yes we do...Mohammad's history is well documented. Yeah, in a book he wrote. No thanks.
DogOnPorch Posted December 27, 2015 Report Posted December 27, 2015 Yeah, in a book he wrote. No thanks. So you also do not believe Mohammad was a historical figure. How about Caligula? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted December 27, 2015 Report Posted December 27, 2015 So you also do not believe Mohammad was a historical figure. How about Caligula? I don't believe that we have an accurate account of things that happened that far back in most cases. I have no belief in religious texts.
DogOnPorch Posted December 27, 2015 Report Posted December 27, 2015 I don't believe that we have an accurate account of things that happened that far back in most cases. I have no belief in religious texts. So...all lies? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_career_of_Muhammad Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted December 27, 2015 Report Posted December 27, 2015 There's no way to validate the accuracy. It all comes from the same book.
DogOnPorch Posted December 27, 2015 Report Posted December 27, 2015 There's no way to validate the accuracy. It all comes from the same book. If you insist Muhammad was made-up...who made him up? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted December 27, 2015 Report Posted December 27, 2015 If you insist Muhammad was made-up...who made him up? By that logic, anything that anyone wrote down was real.
DogOnPorch Posted December 27, 2015 Report Posted December 27, 2015 By that logic, anything that anyone wrote down was real. You're free to believe Muhammad never existed. I find it amusing that your argument hinges on it. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted December 27, 2015 Report Posted December 27, 2015 You're free to believe Muhammad never existed. I find it amusing that your argument hinges on it. He may have existed, and he may not have. He may have lived in his mom's basement. Your argument hinges on a work of fiction. I think that speaks for itself.
DogOnPorch Posted December 27, 2015 Report Posted December 27, 2015 He may have existed, and he may not have. He may have lived in his mom's basement. Your argument hinges on a work of fiction. I think that speaks for itself. So you feel that the history of Islam is contained only in the Quran? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted December 27, 2015 Report Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) He certainly wasn't a prophet. And here is the thing. You can say that about Jesus in any Christian country. If you say this about Mohamed in any Muslim country you will be lucky if you are only assaulted. You could easily be arrested and imprisoned. So when people tell me how Islam is tolerant, I ask just where are these tolerant Muslim countries. Edited December 28, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 And here is the thing. You can say that about Jesus in any Christian country. If you say this about Mohamed in any Muslim country you will be lucky if you are only assaulted. You could easily be arrested and imprisoned. So when people tell me how Islam is tolerant, I ask just where are these tolerant Muslim countries. I believe the topic is islamaphobia in Canada. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 And here is the thing. You can say that about Jesus in any Christian country. If you say this about Mohamed in any Muslim country you will be lucky if you are only assaulted. You could easily be arrested and imprisoned. So when people tell me how Islam is tolerant, I ask just where are these tolerant Muslim countries. I'm not sure what happened along the way. It doesn't seem that the religious text is any worse. The believers on the other hand...
Guest Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 I'm not sure what happened along the way. It doesn't seem that the religious text is any worse. The believers on the other hand... Exactly. Something happened to some Muslims that gave them the belief that somehow, killing people who don't agree with them is a good idea, and not a way to go straight to hell. It's probably the same with other religions, but the difference, as someone has earlier made the point of, is in the numbers.
DogOnPorch Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure what happened along the way. It doesn't seem that the religious text is any worse. The believers on the other hand... What's your take on the passages I posted from the Quran a few posts back? So far everybody has ignored them in hopes that they will go away. Or as you might claim...a figment of the imagination. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/25285-islamophobia-in-canada/?p=1127385 Edited December 28, 2015 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 What's your take on the passages I posted from the Quran a few posts back? So far everybody has ignored them in hopes that they will go away. Or as you might claim...a figment of the imagination. A study that was done (I posted the link) found that the Bible was actually a more violent book than the Quran. Clearly, something else is at work.
Guest Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 A study that was done (I posted the link) found that the Bible was actually a more violent book than the Quran. Clearly, something else is at work. There is. It's the insanity of the people who believe the book, not the book.
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 We don't actually know that in either case. The timelines involved don't allow it. Whether we "know" it or not is beside the point. The religions are based on the saying of 'prophets', real or imagined. The personality and behaviour and statements of those prophets are what guide their followers. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 A study that was done (I posted the link) found that the Bible was actually a more violent book than the Quran. Clearly, something else is at work. Fair enough. Can you post a link to the NT verse that calls for the death of all unbelievers? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 I believe the topic is islamaphobia in Canada. Sure. But the whole notion that someone is an "islamophobe" rests upon the assumption that people who dislike Islam are 'afraid' of it in an unreasonable way, or that they dislike it for unreasonable or illegitimate reasons. If we can suggest there are valid and legitimate reasons to be wary of the spread of Islam in Canada than objections to it are not unreasonable. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 I'm not sure what happened along the way. It doesn't seem that the religious text is any worse. The believers on the other hand... You don't have the ability to make the determination of whether religious texts are or are not 'better or worse' since you've likely read neither and also read nothing about how their followers religious authorities interpret those texts. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 A study that was done (I posted the link) found that the Bible was actually a more violent book than the Quran. Clearly, something else is at work. That study was based on parables in the old testament. I'm unaware of any mainstream Christian religion which suggests its followers should abide by the violent messages in them. You certainly can't say the same about the violent messages in the Quran as they are acted upon every day and have any number of religious figures supporting them, not to mention whole countries and their laws. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 I've already stated that the believers of Islam, including those doing the interpretation, seem to be an issue. What more do you want me to say?
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