bush_cheney2004 Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Sure you can when you're dealing with a culture that places such a high premium on vengeance. OK...so illegally bombing Serbs or kidnapping Haiti's president is OK ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 I can imagine that. I'm sure that, like Trudeau and Chamberlain, you feel all military action is pointless, wasteful, and solves nothing. If everyone thought like you, all over the world, we would definitely be much better off. Unfortunately, I don't think that point of view is safe to embrace as government policy quite yet. At least Chamberlain was capable of admitting appeasement was a failed policy and did what he could to reverse it, although too late. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
On Guard for Thee Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Australia went into Iraq in 2003, took 1 casualty, then left after a while. They returned in 2005 and took several dozen casualties, and left in 2008. Chretien instead committed Canada to a decade in Afghanistan, and we took 158 fatalities. Why are you lauding Chretien's great wisdom? Simply because he knew bettr than to engage in an illegal war. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Posted January 24, 2015 Simply because he knew bettr than to engage in an illegal war. So you were in favour of Chretien's decision to commit combat troops to Afghanistan, is that right? Quote Back to Basics
jbg Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 It also opens a window on the typical Conservative's mind - they'll happily commit us to war at the drop of a hat for the flimsiest reasons.I am certainly not a "Conservative" (with a capital or small "c"). Don't the great democracies have to do the right thing? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Simply because he knew bettr than to engage in an illegal war. The consequences of engaging in a 'legal' war in Afghanistan were probably worse than if we'd gone into Iraq. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) I am certainly not a "Conservative" (with a capital or small "c"). Don't the great democracies have to do the right thing? They can do the left thing too. Edited January 24, 2015 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
GostHacked Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 I really don't get why you lefties continue to dwell on this considering the Liberals put us in Afghanistan, which arguable was way worse and longer lasting (and most pointless) than if we'd gone to Iraq. Liberals, democrats, they are one in the same. Both sides would have supported it at that time no matter what, considering the perceived terror threat after 9/11. Quote
GostHacked Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Simply because he knew bettr than to engage in an illegal war. What makes a war legal? Quote
PrimeNumber Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Liberals, democrats, they are one in the same. Both sides would have supported it at that time no matter what, considering the perceived terror threat after 9/11. To the right if you don't agree with them then you must be a Liberal supporter. They can't perceive the fact that you can disagree with all parties involved. All I know is at the time I said it's a bad idea to go wasting time, money and resources on anything to do with the middle east. Five years ago I was saying it's a bad idea, today I'm saying its a bad idea and 30 years from now I will continue to say it is a bad idea. Because as history has proven time and time and time and time again, it is a bad idea. Edited January 24, 2015 by PrimeNumber Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
Big Guy Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Your idea that it is a bad idea is a good idea! Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
overthere Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Why are you lauding Chretien's great wisdom?..... Simply because he knew bettr than to engage in an illegal war. So you think Canada was not involved in the Iraq war? Hahhahahaha. You need to find some new heroes, Jean Chretien is severely tainted and not just by his lies about Iraq.. http://www.globalresearch.ca/canadas-secretive-role-in-iraq/5328959 Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
On Guard for Thee Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 So you were in favour of Chretien's decision to commit combat troops to Afghanistan, is that right? I didn't say I was in favor, only that it was at least a legal war. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 The consequences of engaging in a 'legal' war in Afghanistan were probably worse than if we'd gone into Iraq. The consequences in the aftermath of Afg. aren't very good, but certainly nowhere near as bad as what's left in the wake of Iraq. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 What makes a war legal? I realize it sounds a bit odd and crazy but there are recognized guidelines for when a war is legal and when it's not. I think the UN websites list them. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Posted January 24, 2015 I didn't say I was in favor, only that it was at least a legal war. So just to be clear - were you in favor of Chretien's decision to send troops to Afghanistan, or not? Quote Back to Basics
jbg Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 So just to be clear - were you in favor of Chretien's decision to send troops to Afghanistan, or not?Like Kerry on Iraq he was for it until he was against it. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
overthere Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 The consequences in the aftermath of Afg. aren't very good, but certainly nowhere near as bad as what's left in the wake of Iraq. The only real differnce is that Iraq is a much larger player in ... well in everything... than Afghanistan. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
On Guard for Thee Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 So just to be clear - were you in favor of Chretien's decision to send troops to Afghanistan, or not? Of course hingsight is 20/20 so we all know how bad it all turned out. However, at the time I was in favor with the hopes the Taliban could be routed. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 The only real differnce is that Iraq is a much larger player in ... well in everything... than Afghanistan. You mean they have more oil. Quote
ironstone Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 I suppose whenever Trudeau visits a mosque,they may be advising or telling him "take no action against ISIS".The more radical Muslims in Canada must consider Trudeau to be a useful idiot,which appears to be true. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
poochy Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 Well, maybe it is time for someone with a more teenage like understanding of and ability to discuss important issues to run the country. Seriously, maybe it is, personally i give that notion a 1 chance in 100 of being aligned with reality but who knows, perhaps those who support him are on to something. Quote
ironstone Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 Well, maybe it is time for someone with a more teenage like understanding of and ability to discuss important issues to run the country. Seriously, maybe it is, personally i give that notion a 1 chance in 100 of being aligned with reality but who knows, perhaps those who support him are on to something. I agree with you that Trudeau does indeed have a "teenage like" understanding of issues but so far has not shown much ability to discuss any important issues.I have said before,there is no denying that he is perhaps Canada's most popular celebrity,but he also sounds like one. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
overthere Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 Well, maybe it is time for someone with a more teenage like understanding of and ability to discuss important issues to run the country. Seriously, maybe it is, personally i give that notion a 1 chance in 100 of being aligned with reality but who knows, perhaps those who support him are on to something. It would follow the family tradition of being hopeless at somehting. For Trudeau Sr, the economy was something that completely baffled him for his entire career. That was ironic for a man who never saw a social program he didn't like, and that the country could not afford. Wage and price controls, anybody? It is not yet clear which field(s) of governance Trudeau Jr is woeful at yet, but it is already certain that they exist. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Moonbox Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 The only real differnce is that Iraq is a much larger player in ... well in everything... than Afghanistan. Exactly. Afghanistan - the 3000 year-old armpit of Asia, always among the most violent, backwards and isolated places on Earth. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
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