No Military Action - Ever! Another Trudeau Gaffe?

[eyeball]

Of course not, I don't want to die! Geez Louise! This reminds me of Tim's suggestion that lefties were saddened at the prospect of saving money at the gas pump in the wake of lower oil prices.

Where you people get your crazy notions about how lefties think is anyone's guess.

[eyeball]

That said, if I truly thought or had reason to believe my death would bring about Planet Kumbiya I'd give it up.

Especially if I could do it without harming anyone in the process, that would be a really sweet deal.

[Wilber]

Of course not, I don't want to die! Geez Louise! This reminds me of Tim's suggestion that lefties were saddened at the prospect of saving money at the gas pump in the wake of lower oil prices.

Where you people get your crazy notions about how lefties think is anyone's guess.

Then why do you want nukes?

[Wilber]

That said, if I truly thought or had reason to believe my death would bring about Planet Kumbiya I'd give it up.

Especially if I could do it without harming anyone in the process, that would be a really sweet deal.

If you offing yourself would bring world peace, I would be good with that as well. Unfortunately, the world doesn't work that way.

[eyeball]

To be clear I'd rather we really don't have them but they would be a cheap effective alternative to the immense cost of a conventional defence.

Like I said just the fact we can build them, that we have the infrastructure, technical expertise, materials etc should be deterrence enough right there, I mean look at how terrified we get at the prospect of other nations even coming close to what we already have in place.

[eyeball]

If you offing yourself would bring world peace, I would be good with that as well. Unfortunately, the world doesn't work that way.

No I got to thinking about that other hippy who tried and it didn't really work so...

But I still think my f^*k-with-us-and-we-take-you-with-us plan coupled with a strictly neutral Prime Directive sort of approach is the best the way to go.

I'm all for lots and lots of humanitarian aid in war-torn parts of the world where it can help and we can do so relatively safely but that's it as far as I'm willing to interfere.

[Derek 2.0]

To be clear I'd rather we really don't have them but they would be a cheap effective alternative to the immense cost of a conventional defence.

Like I said just the fact we can build them, that we have the infrastructure, technical expertise, materials etc should be deterrence enough right there, I mean look at how terrified we get at the prospect of other nations even coming close to what we already have in place.

There is nothing cheap about strategic nuclear weapons.................likewise there is a difference between building a nuclear weapon and an effective nuclear deterrent.

[eyeball]

I said Doomsday Bomb(s) not strategic.

The difference is lost in light of the fear that other countries who even discuss putting in place what we already have are able to cause. Between that and the success of MAD to date I think I've made a good case for defensive posture a modern state that's determined to be neutral in today's world can take.

And I'm serious about the insurgent aspect of our posture.

It would be like attacking a hornet's nest with a really big ugly nuclear bomb at the core. Are you COMPLETELY out of your mind?

[eyeball]

All we'd have to do then is spend our peace dividend on making Canada the Shiniest Beacon on the planet so everyone will strive to be like us.

Kumbiya's your Uncle.

[Wilber]

I said Doomsday Bomb(s) not strategic.

The difference is lost in light of the fear that other countries who even discuss putting in place what we already have are able to cause. Between that and the success of MAD to date I think I've made a good case for defensive posture a modern state that's determined to be neutral in today's world can take.

And I'm serious about the insurgent aspect of our posture.

It would be like attacking a hornet's nest with a really big ugly nuclear bomb at the core. Are you COMPLETELY out of your mind?

No such thing as a doomsday bomb and the only way MAD can work is if you match the other guys deterrent. There isn't one country with an effective nuclear deterrent that doesn't spend more on its military than us so if is such a great idea, why isn't everyone doing it?

Your defense strategy is limited to two options, suicide and/or turning the country into another Afghanistan or Iraq. No thanks.

[PIK]

I wonder if the NK army would hold , if a war started or defect in large numbers.

[Derek 2.0]

I said Doomsday Bomb(s) not strategic.

That of course is pure fantasy.......You had might as well suggested building a Death Star.

An insurgency requires a populace united against a common threat……..your purported threat (United States?) could quell the majority of Canadian dissent with the promise of lower taxes, US netflix and cheap dairy products……….

I’ll heed your “insurgency” posture once the hippies up the ante from occupying city parks and drum circles outside the gates of their latest cause de celebre……….Let them eat pot brownies

Edited January 27, 2015 by Derek 2.0

[eyeball]

There isn't one country with a nuclear deterrent that also isn't spending money hand over fist provoking, making and keeping enemies with it's conventional weapons.

My defence strategy deliberately excludes doing that. It creates options and doesn't limit them at all.

[Wilber]

There isn't one country with a nuclear deterrent that also isn't spending money hand over fist provoking, making and keeping enemies with it's conventional weapons.

My defence strategy deliberately excludes doing that. It creates options and doesn't limit them at all.

I creates no options because it is only capable of doing one thing.

[eyeball]

That of course is pure fantasy.......You had might as well suggested building a Death Star.

An insurgency requires a populace united against a common threat……..your purported threat (United States?) could quell the majority of Canadian dissent with the promise of lower taxes, US netflix and cheap dairy products……….

I’ll heed your “insurgency” posture once the hippies up the ante from occupying city parks and drum circles outside the gates of their latest cause de celebre……….Let them eat pot brownies

You missed where the insurgency overthrew Colorado? The US is already lost to the Dark Side I'm afraid.

[Argus]

Last I read is yes, theres a metric shite-load of them, but they are starving for food, work at odd jobs to get rations of food and wouldnt last a week in combat. Not to mention the ability to mobilize them doesnt appear anywhere.

But you more knowledgeable war guys might differ in opinion.

Nobody thinks they could win. But they could slaughter and burn the hell out of Seoul and the heavily populated districts around it before they were defeated.

[Derek 2.0]

There isn't one country with a nuclear deterrent that also isn't spending money hand over fist provoking, making and keeping enemies with it's conventional weapons.

My defence strategy deliberately excludes doing that. It creates options and doesn't limit them at all.

As Wilber said........a near pure nuclear force was abandoned by the Super Powers in the 1960s because it limited options......The decades long, massive conventional force structure in Europe during the Cold War was what prevented a large scale nuclear exchange between the West and Soviets....because it allowed options.

[Derek 2.0]

You missed where the insurgency overthrew Colorado? The US is already lost to the Dark Side I'm afraid.

Sorry, but the Darkside, regained control of the State Senate and nearly the House.......and tossed a US Senator.....I wouldn't claim victory until post 2016

[eyeball]

I creates no options because it is only capable of doing one thing.

On the simplest level sure, defence. I'm also thinking beyond that box which is why I said mentioned peace dividends.

[guyser]

Nobody thinks they could win. But they could slaughter and burn the hell out of Seoul and the heavily populated districts around it before they were defeated.

I kind of doubt any of them apart from Un have that kind mobile abilities and infrastructure to even get them to Seoul

[eyeball]

As Wilber said........a near pure nuclear force was abandoned by the Super Powers in the 1960s because it limited options......The decades long, massive conventional force structure in Europe during the Cold War was what prevented a large scale nuclear exchange between the West and Soviets....because it allowed options.

Yeah, like unleashing their conventional forces on a hapless world instead of each other. Sick bastards.

[Derek 2.0]

I kind of doubt any of them apart from Un have that kind mobile abilities and infrastructure to even get them to Seoul

The North Koreans can attack Seoul from behind the DMZ with tube and rocket artillery, likewise plenty of IRBMs........

[Argus]

I kind of doubt any of them apart from Un have that kind mobile abilities and infrastructure to even get them to Seoul

They can WALK to Seoul. It's not like it's very far away from them.

[Derek 2.0]

Yeah, like unleashing their conventional forces on a hapless world instead of each other. Sick bastards.

Right.........but proxy wars in far off crap holes that nobody really cares about is far better than Planet of the Apes.......

[Derek 2.0]

They can WALK to Seoul. It's not like it's very far away from them.

Exactly, and is why the American forces(and their dependants) in South Korea have been moved further South from the DMZ......away from the actual threat posed by the North Koreans......