Surprise! Israel refuses cooperation with UN Gaza war probe

[bush_cheney2004]

For the same reasons that Canadians and Americans do not go back to where they are "originally from".

[overthere]

Lol yes it was Overthere. Its hilarious. Only the UN comes up with its conclusions BEFORE IT INVESTIGATES.

It makes the term "apprehension of bias" an understatement but hey now in this world just the word "Zionist" or "Israel" or "U.S." automatically means guilty. mean only the UN and many posters here come up with conclusions....

I think you meant to say 'only the UN and many posters here...'.

[overthere]

You seem quite sensitive about this. Many of these Jews are originally from Germany, Poland and Russia. Why shouldn't they go back there, instead of taking land from people who have been living in that place for centuries.

Furthermore, do you think it is offensive that we hear people like jbg saying that Palestinians should go live in Muslim countries?

Yeah, the Jews were really had a warm welcome last time in Germany and Poland.

Poland hates Jews. Today.

[overthere]

Why? Why is it a joke?

The United States joined with Australia, Canada, Israel, and three other countries in opposing the UNHRC's draft resolution on working rules citing continuing misplaced focus on Israel at the expense of action against countries with poor human-rights records. The resolution passed 154–7 in a rare vote forced by Israel including the support of France, the United Kingdom, and China, although it is usually approved through consensus. United States Ambassador to the United Nations, Zalmay Khalilzad, spoke about the "council's relentless focus during the year on a single country – Israel," contrasting that with failure "to address serious human rights violations taking place in other countries such as Zimbabwe, DPRK (North Korea), Iran, Belarus and Cuba." Khalilzad said that aside from condemnation of the crackdown of the Burmese anti-government protests, the council's past year was "very bad" and it "had failed to fulfill our hopes."^[108]

On 6 June 2008, Human Rights Tribune announced that the United States had withdrawn entirely from the UNHRC,^[109] and had withdrawn its observer status.

[dre]

Why shouldn't they go back there, instead of taking land from people who have been living in that place for centuries.

Most of the jews in Israel were not even alive back then. They are living where they were born and should not have to go anywhere at all. Israel should stop stealing from its neighbors however, and respect its internationally recognized borders.

[Rue]

He said Germany owes Jews reparations, so should carve off a piece of Germany for Jews. It's not an attack against Jews it's a suggested solution to the Palestinian-Israeli problem.

Please don't insinuate posters are racists unless you have better evidence.

It is an insult to me, to the children of holocaust survivors, and to holocaust survivors. Its not a suggestion, its a deliberate insult. I am not insinuating I am stating. It insults Jews who h ad to flee Europe to Israel.

For you to come on this forum and try rationalize it as a reasonable suggestion speaks for itself as well.

Right. Let's jusrt airlift Israelis today and dump them in Germany and slice it off of Germany. Brilliant.

Go on Moonlight join in. Justify it. Rationalize it. Knock yourself out. I state it again, It is a direct insult to my relatives who died in Europe, to holocaust survivors, to Germans, to anyone who understands why.

Read what he stated Moonlight Graha before you come on this board and lecture me.

As for reparations your attempt to spin it to mean that and not what he said is ridiculous. German has paid reparations and Israel has accepted them and the two countries are allies.

In fact Germany is one of Israel's most loyal allies.

Go on Moonlight, finish what you started. Tell us how you will deport from Israel Jews and force them to Germany.

Edited November 18, 2014 by Rue

[Rue]

You seem quite sensitive about this. Many of these Jews are originally from Germany, Poland and Russia. Why shouldn't they go back there, instead of taking land from people who have been living in that place for centuries.

Furthermore, do you think it is offensive that we hear people like jbg saying that Palestinians should go live in Muslim countries?

This thread was not about deporting Jews to Europe. The fact you and your entourage turned it into such a thread speaks for itself and the board's refusal to prevent this hihacking of the thread.

I seem quite sensitive do I. What was that Hudson. Is that your idea of trying to bait?

Lol. Move on Hudson and take Moonlight and your deport the Jews entourage with you,.

[Rue]

Well, speaking for myself I have two suggestions. 1) going back to Europe and carving off a piece of Germany in reparation for the Holocaust. 2) unless I'm mistaken wasn't the Ungava Peninsula once ttouted as being a possible Jewish homeland?

Go on Moonlight Graham. Explain how carving off a piece of Germany does not mean deporting the jews of Israel there. Go on. Finish what you started,

Go on explain how its reasonable and how making a snide comment about the Ungava Peninsula was not meant as an insult. Go on explain how its reasonable. Go on. Explain and finish what you started instead of lecturing me and holocaust survivors and daring to tell us we shoudl return to Germany. Go on. Explain how this is not patronizing, demeaning, and baiting of Jews who had to flee Europe. Go on. Do you want to finish or do you want to join the entourage and chant get out Jews.

See I am here Moonlight because you do not intimidate me, these anti Jewish diatribes do not imtimidate me and when you or anyone else wants to attack Jews and our memories under the pretext of criticizing israeli state policies I will speak out and call those words what they are hateful.

[Rue]

I think you meant to say 'only the UN and many posters here...'.

Yep. The same ones that now tell me its reasonable to ship off Jews to Germany.

It never fails. Someone always has a final solution for Jews. Always reasonable of course.

Edited November 18, 2014 by Rue

[Big Guy]

Wow! An awful lot of spitting and pissing suggested here. Is there a virtual medical mask that one can wear to be protected from all this virtual dissemination of bodily fluids. Are there things like virtual HIV and virtual Ebola.

I hope not.

[Moonlight Graham]

Go on Moonlight, finish what you started. Tell us how you will deport from Israel Jews and force them to Germany.

I never made the claim.

[Moonlight Graham]

Go on Moonlight Graham. Explain how carving off a piece of Germany does not mean deporting the jews of Israel there. Go on. Finish what you started,

Go on explain how its reasonable and how making a snide comment about the Ungava Peninsula was not meant as an insult. Go on explain how its reasonable. Go on. Explain and finish what you started instead of lecturing me and holocaust survivors and daring to tell us we shoudl return to Germany. Go on. Explain how this is not patronizing, demeaning, and baiting of Jews who had to flee Europe. Go on. Do you want to finish or do you want to join the entourage and chant get out Jews.

See I am here Moonlight because you do not intimidate me, these anti Jewish diatribes do not imtimidate me and when you or anyone else wants to attack Jews and our memories under the pretext of criticizing israeli state policies I will speak out and call those words what they are hateful.

???

Are you accusing myself and eyeball of being the same person or something?

Your false accusations are tiring. I don't know how you make up all this stuff in your head & then accuse people of it. Myself nor eyeball aren't being "anti-Jewish", and criticizing Israel isn't being anti-Jewish either. I can't debate with irrational people.

Edited November 18, 2014 by Moonlight Graham

[Smallc]

Why? Why is it a joke?

Because it continually targets countries like Israel and even Canada, while ignoring abuses in places like Syria and North Korea. A little contextual balance would be nice.

[dre]

Wow! An awful lot of spitting and pissing suggested here. Is there a virtual medical mask that one can wear to be protected from all this virtual dissemination of bodily fluids. Are there things like virtual HIV and virtual Ebola.

I hope not.

ROLMAO... Hes come completely unhinged hahahahaha.

[dre]

Go on Moonlight Graham. Explain how carving off a piece of Germany does not mean deporting the jews of Israel there. Go on. Finish what you started,

Go on explain how its reasonable and how making a snide comment about the Ungava Peninsula was not meant as an insult. Go on explain how its reasonable. Go on. Explain and finish what you started instead of lecturing me and holocaust survivors and daring to tell us we shoudl return to Germany. Go on. Explain how this is not patronizing, demeaning, and baiting of Jews who had to flee Europe. Go on. Do you want to finish or do you want to join the entourage and chant get out Jews.

See I am here Moonlight because you do not intimidate me, these anti Jewish diatribes do not imtimidate me and when you or anyone else wants to attack Jews and our memories under the pretext of criticizing israeli state policies I will speak out and call those words what they are hateful.

ROFL!

[jbg]

So for you to state what you did is just another snide insult. You know full well your suggestion is meant to insult and belittle holocaust survivors.

Right finish the insult. Why not suggest the Jews build condos at Dachau while you are at it.

Not all insults are treated alike.

[overthere]

It's too late now, but I once heard it suggested that the UN should have given Bavaria to the Jews after the war, with a lot of countries that collaborated with their slaughter kicking in some major coin to get them comfortably settled: Switzerland, Poland, France, Austria etc.

Actually UK, Canada, USA all had dirty hands too.

[overthere]

Is there any poster on this site who agrees with RUE?

I agree with much of what he says.

On that note, there has been rumored that perhaps Israel had something to do with 9/11, so the US would attack the Middle-East, who knows perhaps it was a US-Israel plan.

well it must be true if it was rumoured. How far up your own colon did you hear those whispers? Did you hear that the Jews killed six million of their o0wn people in a desperate cry for attention too?

9/11 is the best kept secret conspiracy in the entire history of conspiracies. 13 years and we're still waiting for a single fact to support your rumour.

[marcus]

Is there a good reason that Israel should cooperate in its delegitimization? The Goldsmith investigation results were eventually repudiated by Goldstone, of course after the damage is done. I really resent my tax money going to the U.N. to fund this garbage.

"Goldstone" report was never reputed. You may want to check your information so you don't spread misinformation - Here is what happened:

On 1 April 2011, Goldstone published a piece in The Washington Post titled 'Reconsidering the Goldstone Report on Israel and war crimes'. Goldstone noted that the subsequent investigations by Israel and recognized in the U.N. committee's report "indicate that civilians were not intentionally targeted as a matter of policy" while "the crimes allegedly committed by Hamas were intentional goes without saying." The other principal authors of the UN report, Hina Jilani, Christine Chinkin and Desmond Travers, have rejected Goldstone's reassessment arguing that there is "no justification for any demand or expectation for reconsideration of the report as nothing of substance has appeared that would in anyway change the context, findings or conclusions of that report with respect to any of the parties to the Gaza conflict".^[15][16] According to journalist Connie Bruck, writing in the the New Yorker magazine, "Goldstone came under such pressure that threats were made to ban him from his grandson’s bar mitzvah at a Johannesburg synagogue."^[

You should be more worried about your tax money going to Israel. The biggest welfare recipient of United States.

[Rue]

No Moonlight but you did start something you do not want to finish. Eyeball's comment speaks for itself as does your attempt to spin it and rationalize it. That comment of Eye's and your defence of it and attempt to respin it is what I challenged. No it does not surprise me you call me a name now and won't finish what you started and therein lies the point.

Its easy to come on this forum for some of you and chime in with the anti Jewish comments passing as anti Israeli comments. Too easy. Its not easy however coming on this board speaking in balanced terms where neither side of the conflict is presented as a demon and solutions are proposed that are fair to both sides.

Irrational? irrational is suggesting one slice up any country. Irrational? Irrational is referring to Zionism as a cancer.

You want to defend the words of such people go ahead. I am here to keep challenging them. Its my right.

[GostHacked]

Its easy to come on this forum for some of you and chime in with the anti Jewish comments passing as anti Israeli comments.

I thought it was anti-Israeli comments passing off as anti-Jewish comments?

[Rue]

How is it not both Ghost? Are you just chiming in or do you want to actually debate something. You saw the giggles. Is that what you want to join in on?tee hee giggle giggle. Let's talk about sending Jews to Germany and pass it off as reasonable discussion on this thread?

Call it what you want Ghost. Engaging me in semantics doesn't change it.

[Topaz]

_{1. Why is this thread being hijacked for a ludicrous attempt to piss on Israel with the USS Liberty incident? Hiow is that even remotely related to this thread other than a pathetic attempt try continue the pissing with a new theme? More to the point Topaz your reference was repudiated already on a previous thread and the alleged new information you claim you read is not new. It is in fact a new documentary reproduced the same old allegations that had already been repudiated. This device of re-running the USS Liberty thread each time there is a lull in the ability to piss on Israel is tiresome. You want to start a thread Topaz go ahead and the usual piss on Israel entourage will join along with you pretending the info is new but it has nothing to do with this thread.}

_{2. Topaz et al, if you think you are at a dead end pissing on Israel with this pathetic pretext of a thread at least have the decency to start a new thread when you recycle the USS Liberty b .s.}

_{1. Why is this thread being hijacked for a ludicrous attempt to piss on Israel with the USS Liberty incident? Hiow is that even remotely related to this thread other than a pathetic attempt try continue the pissing with a new theme? More to the point Topaz your reference was repudiated already on a previous thread and the alleged new information you claim you read is not new. It is in fact a new documentary reproduced the same old allegations that had already been repudiated. This device of re-running the USS Liberty thread each time there is a lull in the ability to piss on Israel is tiresome. You want to start a thread Topaz go ahead and the usual piss on Israel entourage will join along with you pretending the info is new but it has nothing to do with this thread.}

_{2. Topaz et al, if you think you are at a dead end pissing on Israel with this pathetic pretext of a thread at least have the decency to start a new thread when you recycle the USS Liberty b .s.}

Did I hit a nerve? WOW! I only care about the truth and from what I had discovered the truth wasn't out there but I did find another website from the US Generals that put out their point of view on this matter. I hope the links works here. http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/moorer.htm

[Rue]

The article you produced is not new. Its old. It was repudiated on this forum in a previous debate. It has nothing to do with this thread. If you want to start a thread on the USS Liberty passing off your latest "truth" go ahead. It has nothing to do with the Gaza war probe. Not a damn thing.

[PIK]

It does not matter where the jews went, the hatred would follow them to the ends of the earth. Actually Jordon should be given to the palistines.