marcus Posted November 14, 2014 Report Posted November 14, 2014 Here we go again. Israel commits (not 'possible war crimes' - we all know they did) war crimes, then does what it can derail any investigation. This is exactly what Apartheid South Africa did. Of course, Israel knows that the findings will cement the fact that Israel violated international law during its one-sided operations in the Gaza. Israel has officially declined to cooperate with the UN Human Rights Council committee’s investigation into the country's 50-day 'Operation Protective Edge' over possible war crimes committed, saying it is obvious the probe will find it guilty. The Israeli government refused entry to the investigation team on Wednesday, which arrived in Jordan’s capital of Amman with plans to travel through Israel and into the Gaza Strip. The decision not to cooperate was due to the team’s “one-sided” view of the events, Haaretz reported, citing Foreign Ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nachshon. “The council’s obsessive hostility toward Israel, the committee’s one-sided mandate and committee chairman William Schabas’ declared anti-Israeli positions” were listed as reasons for refusal by Nachshon. This is another indication that Israel cannot be trusted to police itself and to commit to international law. This is why less time should be wasted in trying to engage with Israel and more effort should be made in isolating it and putting political and economical pressure on it. That kind of pressure will not be instigated by Western governments, as they are heavily influenced by the Israeli lobby groups. This is why international movements like BDS are so important in pushing to end the impunity that Israel has had for so long. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2014 Report Posted November 14, 2014 Good luck with that....U.S. military and economic aid will continue to flow to Israel...with extreme impunity. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted November 14, 2014 Report Posted November 14, 2014 Just going after Israel is pointless, you need to boycott it's network of support as well. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Hal 9000 Posted November 14, 2014 Report Posted November 14, 2014 It's a witch hunt, the UN has already showed its hand. They know exactly what their findings will be, nothing Israel can do about it. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Rue Posted November 14, 2014 Report Posted November 14, 2014 Another day another piss on Israel thread. Wow. I mean who saw that coming. Say now do we think Hamas, ISIL, Al Nusra, Al Quaeda,Hezbollah, the governments of Iran and Syria cooperate with the UN? Oh but hey now, this is not about that. Sorry me bad. We only discuss things that incite name calling against Israel. It really a very simple agenda. Nothing else matters now does it. Now say its really complex. I mean its just really hard to understand why Israel would find the UN a running joke. I mean come now. If the UN can be used to call Israel negative names, we mention it. When it fails to do or say a thing about the Boca Raton, genocide in Sudan, Muslim extremists and terrorists killing innocent Africans, Israelis Arabs, Kurds, well we just you know selectively skip that. Why. Well in case you haven't noticed this forum is an opportunity to serve as an anti Israel urinal and an opportune site for inflammed anti Zionist prostates. Quote
Argus Posted November 14, 2014 Report Posted November 14, 2014 Israel has officially declined to cooperate with the UN Human Rights Council committee’s investigation into the country's 50-day 'Operation Protective Edge' This would be the "council" which used to be a committee, but so discredited itself it had to change it's name, right? And then proceeded to almost immediately discredit itself anew? Gee, I can't figure out why people doubt the integrity of a human rights committee stuffed with the representatives of despotic dictators. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hudson Jones Posted November 14, 2014 Report Posted November 14, 2014 Another day another piss on Israel thread. Wow. I mean who saw that coming. Say now do we think Hamas, ISIL, Al Nusra, Al Quaeda,Hezbollah, the governments of Iran and Syria cooperate with the UN? ISIL, Al Nusra and Al Qaeda have been designated terrorist organizations. Iran has allowed nuclear inspectors into their facilities. And Israel? They have neither been designated a terrorist state by the UN nor have they allowed nuclear inspectors into their nuclear facilities. I guess the UN is giving Israel a pass. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Unlike Iran, Israel is not a NPT signatory. The UN isn't giving Israel anything. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jacee Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 (edited) Israel knows it's guilty, won't admit to it. It's a dance. I think that BDS worked on S Africa and is working on Israel too. . Edited November 15, 2014 by jacee Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Unlike Iran, Israel is not a NPT signatory. The UN isn't giving Israel anything. Oh look. More excuses by the apologist crowd. They are a signatory to the Geneva Convention and a member of the UN. Then why do they not follow international law and why do they not cooperate with the UN. This shows that this isn't about following the law. Why don't you just admit that Israel is an arrogant rogue state that doesn't give a sh*t about international law and human rights? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Oh look. More excuses by the apologist crowd. No excuses....real policies backed up by muscle and money to defeat those who want Israel "rejected and wiped out". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jacee Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 (edited) No excuses....real policies backed up by muscle and money to defeat those who want Israel "rejected and wiped out". Israel is wiping itself out. . Edited November 15, 2014 by jacee Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Israel is wiping itself out. . Sure it is.....by getting bigger every day ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jacee Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Good luck with that....U.S. military and economic aid will continue to flow to Israel...with extreme impunity. Go ahead and brag about wasting your money killing Palestinian kids. :/ . Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Israel is wiping itself out. . Really? From what I can see Israel is growing......but I'm sure Rue will tell me I'm wrong in 1000 words or more. Quote
jacee Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Sure it is.....by getting bigger every day ! Go ahead and brag about US sponsored illegal Israeli land grabs. :/ . Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Go ahead and brag about wasting your money killing Palestinian kids. :/ . Your own nation is doing that right now. Fire rockets....get bombed....any questions ? Even ISIL won't help Gaza !! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jacee Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Your own nation is doing that right now. Fire rockets....get bombed.... Guilty of war crimes. . Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 (edited) Guilty of war crimes. . That must mean something in Canada...oh wait...it doesn't. Even ISIL won't help Gaza !! Edited November 15, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Israel has every right to defend itself against attack. Palestinians have every right to repel invaders. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Moonlight Graham Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 "The decision not to cooperate was due to the team’s “one-sided” view of the events, Haaretz reported, citing Foreign Ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nachshon." Well of course it's going to be one-sided, the war was pretty darn one-sided... Hamas should also be held to account, but yet another example of how Israel is a rogue state completely uncooperative of any international law that doesn't happen to benefit them. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
jbg Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Here we go again.Another anti-Israel thread? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 (edited) Lots of nations ignore "international law" when it benefits them. Canada and the U.S. are doing it right now. Hamas is being held accountable....Israel bombs them and destroys their terrorism leadership, infrastructure, and munitions. The UN hasn't been much help in that regard...big surprise. Edited November 15, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 (edited) This is another indication that Israel cannot be trusted to police itself and to commit to international law. This is why less time should be wasted in trying to engage with Israel and more effort should be made in isolating it and putting political and economical pressure on it. That kind of pressure will not be instigated by Western governments, as they are heavily influenced by the Israeli lobby groups. This is why international movements like BDS are so important in pushing to end the impunity that Israel has had for so long.Is there a good reason that Israel should cooperate in its delegitimization? The Goldstone investigation results were eventually repudiated by Goldstone, of course after the damage is done. I really resent my tax money going to the U.N. to fund this garbage. Edited November 18, 2014 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Another anti-Israel thread? Yes, of course. The world's seventy third worst human rights violator deserves many threads dedicated to its evil! And it has nothing to do with them being Jews! Nothing at all! Don't even think it! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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