Derek 2.0 Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 All those governments are friendly towards Israel. They don't like to admit it in front of their people and will still huff and puff by making comments about how Palestinians are being abused, however, Saudi, Egypt and Jordan are all buddies with U.S. and Israel. The support (both military and political) they receive from the U.S. helps the dictators stay in power and they enjoy the status quo. Indeed, hence biting the hand that feeds........ Quote
marcus Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Now you're calling Jews the savages? How can I be? Many Jews oppose the selfishness and the immoral acts committed in the name of Zionism. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Shady Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Egypt's president has suggested the creation of an "all-Arab" military force. His stated reason is to fight ISIS. http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.643693 While the immediate reaction might be a positive one, the USA is not too enthusiastic about the idea. An Egypt, Jordan, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Saudi et al military backed up by oil $billions would certainly change the atmosphere in the Middle East. I doubt if Israel would be very happy about such a co-ordinated military force. The Americans have been encouraging more participation by Arab states but under the direction of the USA. If all these Arab states get together to form a massive Middle East military force they won't need the Americans and could challenge the Israelis. An interesting development. Yep. Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Israel are all on the same side against ISIL and Iran getting a nuclear weapon. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Yep. Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Israel are all on the same side against ISIL and Iran getting a nuclear weapon. Do you trust any of those aside from Israel? The Saudi's are no better than Iran. Same with UAE. Quote
Rue Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 Well Ghost I said it in the other posts, in an ideal world no one should have nukes. No one. Do I trust ANYONE with nukes.Truthfully no. I mean on one level yes I have a double standard believing France, Britain, the US, Israel are the most trustworthy. That of course is a Western double standard I admit. Do I trust Putin with such a weapon no.Would I trust any Muslim country with a nuke weapon no-because they are Muslims-no-beause they have no institutions that hold politicians accountable. Hell I am nervous about Brazil,South Africa, China. What if they had a civil war? I have a double standard with India yes. I do not worry about them as much as Pakistan. Ok so I honestly admit the bias. No b.s. but I admit to you, at one level how could any of us trust ANY human with such a devastating weapon. There is just so much instability and corruption out there can anyone guarantee such weapons do not get into the hands of dangerous people? Probably not. Its amazing when you think how close we came to nuke weapons being used with Korea, the Cuba crisis, Vietnam,in the 1973 Yom Kippur war and who knows what else has been hid from us. I don't like nukes. I don't like chemicals, I do not like weapons and I certainly think all the countries you mentioned,Jordan, Egypt,Saudi Arabia, could over night fall into the hands of extremists like Iran did. Hell its conceivable the same could happen in South Africa or Brazil. Can anyone say otherwise? Never met any human I trust. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 Well Ghost I said it in the other posts, in an ideal world no one should have nukes. No one. Do I trust ANYONE with nukes.Truthfully no. I mean on one level yes I have a double standard believing France, Britain, the US, Israel are the most trustworthy. That of course is a Western double standard I admit. There is a real problem here. Nukes are used on the battlefield and they were used in Iraq and Afghanistan. There are certain 'regulations' in which small tactical nukes are exempt from treaties like the NPT. Simpy because of their detonation yeild. So in fact nukes have been used on the battlefield, but they are small. Not sure how that makes a difference but to those holding the nukes it does. Also it seems quite 'easy' to purchase a nuke device through the black market. VICE did a doc where they specifically saught out a nuke device and it was easier than they thought. Now that is some scary stuff. So we may not see huge mushroom clouds, but small tactical nukes ARE and have been used in the battlefied. The US used them in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Russia has used them in Ukraine. You just won't hear the news media report on these small tactical nukes. Quote
Bonam Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 The US used them in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Russia has used them in Ukraine. Cite? You just won't hear the news media report on these small tactical nukes. So no cite? How convenient. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Cite? So no cite? How convenient. http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jan/25/world/fg-nuke25 tes THE WORLD | SHOWDOWN WITH IRAQ U.S. Weighs Tactical Nuclear Strike on Iraq For what one defense analyst says is a worst-case scenario, planners are studying the use of atomic bombs on deeply buried targets. January 25, 2003|Paul Richter | Times Staff Writer Email Share WASHINGTON — As the Pentagon continues a highly visible buildup of troops and weapons in the Persian Gulf, it is also quietly preparing for the possible use of nuclear weapons in a war against Iraq, according to a report by a defense analyst. Although they consider such a strike unlikely, military planners have been actively studying lists of potential targets and considering options, including the possible use of so-called bunker-buster nuclear weapons against deeply buried military targets, says analyst William M. Arkin, who writes a regular column on defense matters for The Times. Military officials have been focusing their planning on the use of tactical nuclear arms in retaliation for a strike by the Iraqis with chemical or biological weapons, or to preempt one, Arkin says. His report, based on interviews and a review of official documents, appears in a column that will be published in The Times on Sunday. Administration officials believe that in some circumstances, nuclear arms may offer the only way to destroy deeply buried targets that may contain unconventional weapons that could kill thousands. Some officials have argued that the blast and radiation effects of such strikes would be limited. Notice in the article that Bush said he would never use these weapons. http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/27/sprj.irq.war.int.main/index.html?eref=sitesearch CAMP DAVID, Maryland (CNN) -- The United States has dropped two 4,500-pound GBU-37 "bunker-buster" bombs on a target in Baghdad, shaking a large area and creating a large plume of smoke that rose over the city center. It marked the first time the bombs have been used in this war. Pentagon sources said a U.S. Air Force B-2 stealth bomber dropped the satellite-guided bombs at around 11 p.m. Thursday local time (2000 GMT). U.S. Central Command said a B-2 Spirit "targeted and struck a major link in Iraq's national communication network" located on the east bank of the Tigris River in downtown Baghdad. "The strike with two precision-guided munitions was to degrade the ability of the Hussein regime to command and control the actions of Iraq's military forces," Central Command said in a statement. Quote
jbg Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Yep. Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Israel are all on the same side against ISIL and Iran getting a nuclear weapon. Only our Obaminable President is in favor of ISIS and Iran going nuclear. He wants the authentic, Marco Polo experience with the Arabs with the fun of modern weapons thrown in. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Bonam Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jan/25/world/fg-nuke25 Notice in the article that Bush said he would never use these weapons. http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/27/sprj.irq.war.int.main/index.html?eref=sitesearch The GBU-37 is not a nuclear weapon. It contains only conventional explosives. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Only our Obaminable President is in favor of ISIS and Iran going nuclear. How so? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Michael Hardner Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Only our Obaminable President is in favor of ISIS and Iran going nuclear. You're really falling into to the hyperbole trap. I would keep in mind that MLW is the opposite of CNN or FOX News, in that extreme statements don't enhance your reputation. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
jbg Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 You're really falling into to the hyperbole trap. I would keep in mind that MLW is the opposite of CNN or FOX News, in that extreme statements don't enhance your reputation. I was and am in a pissed off mood. Virtually every ally of the U.S. and many domestic constituencies want to stop the Iran deal. It is unverifiable. It will give Obama a photo op and that's it. He is hellbent to leather to do the deal. As for ISIS his Defense Department pre-announces where and when it will strike in a spring offensive. I am not a military man but that seems unforgivably stupid. As to the tone. forgive me. I was tired and annoyed. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted March 2, 2015 Author Report Posted March 2, 2015 What are the particulars of that deal with Iran that every ally of the US and many domestic constituencies want to stop? I thought that it is secret and still being negotiated? If you know the details then please share them with me. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted March 2, 2015 Author Report Posted March 2, 2015 The situation of our war against ISIS is going from the bizarre to the ridiculous!! Tikrit is a city in Iraq and was the base of Saddam Hussein Sunni supporters and Saddam's home town. The coalition of the dumb has announced that a large ground force is now attacking Tikrit with the intention of taking it back from ISIS. This coalition of the dumb ground force is made up of parts of the Iraqi army, and a seasoned new militia unit; http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31689433 One of the main commanders in this offensive is General Qasem Soleimani. General Soleimani is leading the - ready for this - IRANIAN REVOLUTIONARY GUARD OVERSEAS OPERATION !!! also known as the Quds Force. So now we have the Iranian Shia militia as part of the coalition of the dumb! These ground troops are being supported by coalition air fire. I wonder if any Canadian planes are in that air support team? So now we have the really bad ISIS guys being attacked by the kinda bad Iranians and the sort of bad Syrian rebels and the really bad Al Qaeda guys. But all these bad, really bad, sorta bad and kinda bad guys are on our side and we are dropping bombs to help them win. I hope they are using some kind of colour code or different hats so they know who is supposed to be shooting at who. So there we have it folks, we have Canadian soldiers teaching (Who?) to fight, have Canadian airplanes dropping bombs on people who are trying to kill Iranians. We are also squeezing sanctions on Iran who is now fighting on the same side as we are. The only sane thing about this debacle is that we are finally engaging with Iran as something other than an enemy. BTW - It is fairly certain that it will soon be announced that Canada will continue to being part of the coalition of the dumb. We are being played like a fine fiddle! Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jbg Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 What are the particulars of that deal with Iran that every ally of the US and many domestic constituencies want to stop? I thought that it is secret and still being negotiated? If you know the details then please share them with me. Apparently the broad outlines are well-known and they are toothless. Sanctions are lifted and we have to take Iran's word on compliance. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) On these negotiations, I will comment once accurate information is presented and/or a final document is arrived at. Until then, I try to comment only on facts and not on speculation. Speculation tends to favour the speculator. Edited March 3, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Michael Hardner Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 The only sane thing about this debacle is that we are finally engaging with Iran as something other than an enemy. BTW - It is fairly certain that it will soon be announced that Canada will continue to being part of the coalition of the dumb. We are being played like a fine fiddle! What ? The "only sane thing" is also the only point you're making, ipso facto the entire thing is sane. Why are we the coalition of the dumb if we're now being smart ? Isn't this what we wanted to happen ? How are we being played ? Your post is a mishmash of objections to American policy from different points in history so it doesn't make sense in the present context. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Big Guy Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Posted March 3, 2015 I do not know what we are in this for. What is it that we want to happen? We are now part of a coalition which is giving air support to Iranian troops. Do we want the Iranians to win and take over Iraq? We are in a coalition of the dumb because Harper volunteered us to join in this civil war. The evidence is that the Sunni ISIS wants to set up a Sunni Caliphate which will be made up of people who are Sunni. Just take a map of the Middle East, overlay it with a map of the different religious factions and you will see that ISIS wants and is keeping the areas which are mostly Sunni. The reason that ISIS has been so successful in the area is because the locals support them. It is the West which drew up those artificial "country" boundaries based on what the West wanted. The locals want their own borders based on religion and the West can take those artificial boundaries and shove them where the sun don't shine! Since you feel my post is a mishmash I will try to summarize: - We have become a "USA - me too" country with no solid Canadian foreign policy. - We are involved in a civil war into which we have no business to be. - We do not know who are our allies and who are our enemies yet we drop bombs on them encouraging terrorism on our soil. - Supporting Israel is a mistake and she will drag us down with her - if we let her. - We should be looking to other Arab states in the region if we want to stay involved and have any influence there. Iranian ground forces and Iran is the only answer to Middle East peace. - This is not a NATO mission, this is not a UN mission, this an American "we made a mistake and we are going to make it worse" mission. Was Vietnam a smart coalition, was Somalia a smart coalition, was Iraq a smart coalition, was Afghanistan a smart coalition and this coalition to stamp out ISIS is a smart coalition? That is why I call this the coalition of the dumb. - To be in a war where do not even know our enemies is insane. - To seek out another Arab state that may be our ally (like Iran) is sane. I never said that we are now smart - we are still there are we not? Is that smart? How are we being played? Through Harper, we (Canadians) are being manipulated by the $multi trillionaires in the Middle East and the American hawks to try to give credibility to a failed American Middle East policy. We are being drawn in deeper and deeper just like we were in Afghanistan. I am sorry if my posts do not make sense to you. So be it. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 No worries.....PM Trudeau will save the day with Canadian "soft power"....and blankets.....lots of blankets. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Mighty AC Posted March 4, 2015 Report Posted March 4, 2015 - We have become a "USA - me too" country with no solid Canadian foreign policy. - We are involved in a civil war into which we have no business to be. - We do not know who are our allies and who are our enemies yet we drop bombs on them encouraging terrorism on our soil. - Supporting Israel is a mistake and she will drag us down with her - if we let her. - We should be looking to other Arab states in the region if we want to stay involved and have any influence there. Iranian ground forces and Iran is the only answer to Middle East peace. - This is not a NATO mission, this is not a UN mission, this an American "we made a mistake and we are going to make it worse" mission. Was Vietnam a smart coalition, was Somalia a smart coalition, was Iraq a smart coalition, was Afghanistan a smart coalition and this coalition to stamp out ISIS is a smart coalition? That is why I call this the coalition of the dumb. - To be in a war where do not even know our enemies is insane. - To seek out another Arab state that may be our ally (like Iran) is sane. I never said that we are now smart - we are still there are we not? Is that smart? How are we being played? Through Harper, we (Canadians) are being manipulated by the $multi trillionaires in the Middle East and the American hawks to try to give credibility to a failed American Middle East policy. We are being drawn in deeper and deeper just like we were in Afghanistan. Agreed. We have to move beyond fossil fuels and get the hell out of the middle east. Yet we have Conservatives and Republicans trying to keep our eggs in one basket and now they want to start another war and put more 'boots on the ground'. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Posted March 4, 2015 Agreed. We have to move beyond fossil fuels and get the hell out of the middle east. Not going to happen....."we" are not going to abandon geo-political and economic interests in the region. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Posted March 4, 2015 No worries.....PM Trudeau will save the day with Canadian "soft power"....and blankets.....lots of blankets. It appears that due to polls, Trudeau is now leaving the door open to whipping out supporting an extension of the current Iraq mission........ Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Posted March 4, 2015 Not going to happen....."we" are not going to abandon geo-political and economic interests in the region. Agreed.......that is until our economies are fueled by recycled hemp and the laughter of children Quote
eyeball Posted March 4, 2015 Report Posted March 4, 2015 See now, IMHO this is what constitutes real radicalizing rhetoric. If I was trying to recruit potential jihadists I'd steer them towards reading this sort of stuff - to give them a sense of the motivations and thinking driving their enemies. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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