Why Islam is dangerous

[DogOnPorch]

A bit more on Eid and the horrific animal slaughter associated with it. I know...we eat KFC and cows...blah, blah, blah. But have you ever seen the streets run red with blood?

Here's footage of post Eid in Dhaka...trigger warning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zpKnnlcC3k

Now, from a health perspective, alone, this is dangerous. Will Islam give-up animal slaughter? Unlikely as Islam is perfect.

[eyeball]

...back in the 80s when Islam was just a blip.

We should have left well enough alone when we had the chance instead of stirring it up against us.

Muhammad was a brutal man...had a thing for children...hated criticism, poetry, music and of course...Jews.

Jesus/Buddha/Krishna...have none of that baggage.

We still have baggage that's every bit as brutal and disgusting and it's a lot bigger than a blip.

[DogOnPorch]

We should have left well enough alone when we had the chance instead of stirring it up against us.

We still have baggage that's every bit as brutal and disgusting and it's a lot bigger than a blip.

Just you are unable to explain it...understood.

[eyeball]

Of course I can, our baggage is well understood. Western governments are just unwilling to face it is all.

Why some students of history don't is probably a result of their own personal baggage.

[DogOnPorch]

Of course I can, our baggage is well understood. Western governments are just unwilling to face it is all.

Why some students of history don't is probably a result of their own personal baggage.

You're making me guess. Shall we start....where? Ancient Greece?

I do get it that you are anti-Western Civilization and such. I accept this. The West is irredeemably bad and you'd like to see it destroyed. Making your political stripe 'Anarchist'. Not all that far from mine: 'Beware of Dogs'. British Columbia...such a diverse place.

[eyeball]

I do get it that you are anti-Western Civilization and such. I accept this.

I'm simply critical of our misbehaviour, behaviour that you apparently find acceptable to the point of celebrating.

[DogOnPorch]

I'm simply critical of our misbehaviour, behaviour that you apparently find acceptable to the point of celebrating.

I'm very much pro-Western Civilization.

[?Impact]

I'm not Jewish. What makes you think I'm a Jew?

Any idea how many people Muhammad murdered?

Yes, Muhammad was a terrible person and murdered a lot of people. I don't have a number, but I bet it is less than 0.5% of what George Bush murdered.

Edited September 15, 2016 by ?Impact

[Argus]

Yes, Muhammad was a terrible person and murdered a lot of people. I don't have a number, but I bet it is less than 0.5% of what George Bush murdered.

Muhammad started a movement which was responsible for the slaughter of hundreds of millions of people. So I'm guessing you'd be insanely wrong.

Edited September 15, 2016 by Argus

[?Impact]

Muhammad started a movement which was responsible for the slaughter of hundreds of millions of people. So I'm guessing you'd be insanely wrong.

What does that say about Jesus?

[Moonlight Graham]

Irrelevent.

Posting thread drift is a form of trolling.

No not usually. Only if you do it to intentionally make other posters PO'd or intentionally derail a thread. But enough of this discussion, I don't want to troll anymore

Edited September 15, 2016 by Moonlight Graham

[Argus]

What does that say about Jesus?

Jesus (assuming he existed) wasn't a conquering warrior prince but an itinerant preacher. Thus the vast difference between the religions which they spawned.

[kimmy]

What does that say about Jesus?

How many deaths are a direct result of Christianity?

And let's not muddy the water by conflating stuff done by Christians to stuff that can be blamed on Christianity. "George W Bush was a Christian and hundreds of thousands of deaths can be argued to be a result of decisions W made while president, therefore those deaths are a result of Christian teachings" is an absolutely crappy argument, so let's not even bother with it.

There's a lot of material to work with-- Crusades, a Spanish Inquisition, witch burnings, violent eradication of pagans, residential schools, some amount of religiously-motivated hate crimes, potentially an argument that religious support enabled the slave trade, and I'm probably not even scratching the surface.

So what about Islam? Given the numbers of people executed by Islamic states in past and present times for crimes like homosexuality or blasphemy or atheism, the number of people killed in Islamic wars of conquest, the role of Islam in spreading terrorism and in present-day war in Syria, Islamic justification of murder such as honor killings or "insulting the Prophet", I don't think Islam has anything to teach anybody about respecting human life.

-k

[GostHacked]

Jesus/Buddha/Krishna...have none of that baggage.

Jesus may have been a nice man, but his dad was one huge prick. I feel sad for what he made Job do.

[dialamah]

How many deaths are a direct result of Christianity?

And let's not muddy the water by conflating stuff done by Christians to stuff that can be blamed on Christianity. "George W Bush was a Christian and hundreds of thousands of deaths can be argued to be a result of decisions W made while president, therefore those deaths are a result of Christian teachings" is an absolutely crappy argument, so let's not even bother with it.

There's a lot of material to work with-- Crusades, a Spanish Inquisition, witch burnings, violent eradication of pagans, residential schools, some amount of religiously-motivated hate crimes, potentially an argument that religious support enabled the slave trade, and I'm probably not even scratching the surface.

Here's an answer of sorts.

TL:DR version: 15 Million for Christians, 17 Million for Islam.

[Moonlight Graham]

How many deaths are a direct result of Christianity?

...

There's a lot of material to work with-- Crusades, a Spanish Inquisition, witch burnings, violent eradication of pagans, residential schools, some amount of religiously-motivated hate crimes, potentially an argument that religious support enabled the slave trade, and I'm probably not even scratching the surface.

You forgot European colonialism. White man's burden for the heathens.

My opinion is that most parts of most religions are complete and utter garbage. The beliefs are ridiculous dark ages nonsense. We should condemn all religions, including Islam, for ridiculous beliefs, especially ones that inhibit human rights or justify violence, including Christianity and Thomas Aquinas' Just War theory BS. I'm tired of respecting nonsense.

Dear Islam, your gender segregation and cloaking women is stupid. Nobody is going to die from sexual temptation if a woman is able to show her hair or calves.

[The_Squid]

How much worse is the Muslim tenet of segregating sexes than the Catholic tenet of not allowing women to be priests, bishops, leaders in the church, etc.?

I suppose the scale of the tenet makes it worse, maybe?

[freekundli]

I don't think islam is dangerous . Peoples are dangerous.

[DogOnPorch]

I don't think islam is dangerous . Peoples are dangerous.

What's the penalty for Apostasy under Islamic Law?

[cybercoma]

What's the penalty for Apostasy under Islamic Law?

What's the penalty for murder under the Criminal Code of Canada?

[DogOnPorch]

What's the penalty for murder under the Criminal Code of Canada?

Jail.

What's the penalty for leaving the religion of Islam under Islamic Law?

[DogOnPorch]

How many people did Muhammad murder?

[drummindiver]

How much worse is the Muslim tenet of segregating sexes than the Catholic tenet of not allowing women to be priests, bishops, leaders in the church, etc.?

I suppose the scale of the tenet makes it worse, maybe?

yes...no priest equates to second class citizenry for all female Muslims.

Do you not think the scale of the tenet makes it worse?

If you leave the Catholic church, you sign a declaration and they send it off to the Vatican.

Leave Islam, they kill you.

Pretty similar.

[Goddess]

How much worse is the Muslim tenet of segregating sexes than the Catholic tenet of not allowing women to be priests, bishops, leaders in the church, etc.?

I suppose the scale of the tenet makes it worse, maybe?

This is changing rapidly. I have a friend who is a gnostic bishop and she works closely with the Catholic Church and is accepted by them very nicely.

[dialamah]

This is changing rapidly. I have a friend who is a gnostic bishop and she works closely with the Catholic Church and is accepted by them very nicely.

There are females who lead both male and female Muslims in prayer and a female run mosque in Denmark. Things are changing in Islam as well. I think the world overall is becoming more progressive, despite the conservatives who fight it.