The HAMAS Charter - Murderous Insanity

[bush_cheney2004]

...The Charter requires police to now give a Miranda like warning, i.e., they must inform anyone under arrest they have a right to speak to a lawyer first before doing anything or saying anything.

Seriously ? Is it called a "Miranda Warning" ? They must have gotten it from watching Dragnet or Adam 12 on American TV.

[Argus]

The Charter will be my reading on the train home.

You have trouble sleeping, huh? Well, that ought to take care of you.

[jbg]

You have trouble sleeping, huh? Well, that ought to take care of you.

The Hamas Charter is a beautiful document, akin to the Gettysburg Address, Shakespeare's plays or Beethoven's symphonies. While I did not agree with everything in it I found it tightly drafted, well-organized and compelling.

[Rue]

Miranda v. Arizona raised the Miranda rights or Miranda warning pursuant to the 5th amendment of the US constitution. It was the accused's name.

The notion of giving an accused a warning as to their rights is an American legal concept, not a British one. Our Charter recreated the 5th amendment. Before then our presumption of innocence did not necessarily require police give such a warning prior to arrest,

Now getting back to the Hamas Charter, I can guarantee you the pro Hamas groupies on this Board have selective amnesia as to what it says.

I also love the half-assed exercise of comparing it to the Likud charter that does not recognize a two state solution as if the two are identical All one has to do is read them both.

The Hamas charter calls on Muslims world wide to die and that dying is a religious responsibility and a good thing to do.

It calls on a pro-active war not just to rid Israel of Jews but the world of its Jews.

This has never been just about Israel. This is a Muslim fundamentalist movement that believes the Koran states the world must be cleansed of all its Jews.

Its also interesting because at one point in one of the clauses it says if Jews and Christians are willing to live under Muslim rule there will be tolerance but then it also states the war can not stop until Jews world wide are killed. The head of Hamas stated Israel is only the first step in a holy responsibility to rid the world of all Jews, then and only then can the war stop.

The apologists on this forum for Hamas and there are no shortage of them, will not acknowledge what the charter says and what the leaders have said when explaining it.

They ignore it. They engage in fiction that Hamas only fights to defend its people.

I personally believe JBG that if the target of Hamas was Christians, we would have a far different attitude from these two faced Hamas supporters whoa are Christian.

I personally believe because the target of Hamas genocide is Jews, a different standard is used then if it were Christians,

I say that because the double standard on this forum is always couched with Israel claims to be a democracy Hamas does not, so Israel must act differently. Then in the next sentence there is reference to Israel being immoral and the questioning of Jews existing as a collective state identity.

To me this is at its pith and substance a religious extremist group engaged in a religious terror war. Its enemy is not Zionists, Israel, but JEWS.

This is why in Canada, in Toronto and Calgary recently and in Muslim rallies across Europe,Zieg Hiel is chanted and Jews are attacked. This is a war against all Jews and has always been. That's what the charter says, that is what Hamas believes.

The Charter even says its acceptable to lie in the name of gaining tactical advantage.

You will not on this forum see Dre,Jacee,Hudson Jones, Monty, etc., acknowledge what the Charter says. They will not. They will not acknowledge what it is, what it stands for and why it is a central belief that it is desireable and sanctimonious to get its people killed.

The cold reality is until Muslim extremists are demilitarized and the majority of Muslims embrace a peaceful interpretation of the Koran, terror and war by Muslims not just against Jews, but Christians,Bahaiis, Hindus. Buddists, and Muslims of different sects, Kurds, Druze, etc., will continue.

I also totally agree with Argus' comments that it is the most blatant form of liberal guilt bull crap for the Liberal government to suddenly offer to take in Palestinian children when they have been silent to all other conflicts in the world dealing with children. Talk about a bunch of politically correct horse sheeyt. Meanwhile while Ontario suddenly feels liberal guilt, Israel has been treating these Palestinian children for years.

No mention of that though by the Hamas apologists.

Not a peep.

[Keepitsimple]

Here's a video that won't make it into the mainstream media that offers proof of Hamas launching rockets nearby to hospitals and UN facilities. Hamas simply doesn't care - women and children are pawns in their heinous kill-the-Jews doctrine.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/08/hamas-rocket-launch-pad-lies-near-gaza-homes-video-3008126.html

[overthere]

Christians have lived more or less side by side with Muslims throughout the near and Middle East for centuries.

Not so much anymore, Christian populations in many Muslim countries are dropping quickly right now . A religious cleansing is underway right now in Iraq by ISIS.

In the abscnece of Jews there. Christians will do.

[GostHacked]

Here's a video that won't make it into the mainstream media that offers proof of Hamas launching rockets nearby to hospitals and UN facilities. Hamas simply doesn't care - women and children are pawns in their heinous kill-the-Jews doctrine.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/08/hamas-rocket-launch-pad-lies-near-gaza-homes-video-3008126.html

I do read that site now and then, but many here will consider BIN a tinfoil hat site. But since Israel maintains a buffer zone in Gaza, Hamas is forced to fight from the cities. Any of the open area, like whatever farmland might be available, is heavily controlled by Israel.

It does not make it right, but the tactics should be at least understood as to why they are happening.

[jbg]

I do read that site now and then, but many here will consider BIN a tinfoil hat site. But since Israel maintains a buffer zone in Gaza, Hamas is forced to fight from the cities. Any of the open area, like whatever farmland might be available, is heavily controlled by Israel.

It does not make it right, but the tactics should be at least understood as to why they are happening.

Why is Hamas "forced to fight"?

[overthere]

Why is Hamas "forced to fight"?

Because those pesky Joos consistently refuse to rush into the sea in a suicidal tidal wave of Semitic lemmings. They just don't seem to understand their role at all.

[Rue]

Ghost that Gaza was created in the Negev desert from 25 square miles of sand as an open air prison by Nasser.

It has no good land for farms. It depends heavily on produce from Israel or the West Bank or Jordan. It can not feed itself even when there was no war going on. Trust me the sand is thick and unforgiving.

In a comprehensive peace plan produce has to come in from Israel, Jordan and the West Bank the closet fresh produce markets.

Edited August 9, 2014 by Rue

[ironstone]

Ghost that Gaza was created in the Negev desert from 25 square miles of sand as an open air prison by Nasser.

It has no good land for farms. It depends heavily on produce from Israel or the West Bank or Jordan. It can not feed itself even when there was no war going on. Trust me the sand is thick and unforgiving.

In a comprehensive peace plan produce has to come in from Israel, Jordan and the West Bank the closet fresh produce markets.

When Israel turned Gaza over to the Palestinians,did they not leave lot's of greenhouses fully intact which the Palestinians then destroyed?

[Guest]

It depends on who you ask. There are those who maintain that that is the case, while others say petulant Israelis, forced to evacuate, destroyed them.

Another view is that though the mainstream Palestinians would have been happy to keep and use them, such a thing would have been seen as somewhat of a propaganda victory for the Israelis, so the more militant among them made the decision not to allow it.

[jacee]

It depends on who you ask. There are those who maintain that that is the case, while others say petulant Israelis, forced to evacuate, destroyed them.

Another view is that though the mainstream Palestinians would have been happy to keep and use them, such a thing would have been seen as somewhat of a propaganda victory for the Israelis, so the more militant among them made the decision not to allow it.

In the current conditions in Gaza, many homes destroyed, minimal/no power, water and food and shelter shortages ... the greenhouse materials were simply needed I think.

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Edited August 11, 2014 by jacee

[jbg]

In the current conditions in Gaza, many homes destroyed, minimal/no power, water and food and shelter shortages ... the greenhouse materials were simply needed I think.

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They were destroyed within a week.

[jacee]

They were destroyed within a week.

The materials walked away, yes.

They were needed.

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[bush_cheney2004]

The materials were needed to make peace rockets.

[Keepitsimple]

In the current conditions in Gaza, many homes destroyed, minimal/no power, water and food and shelter shortages ... the greenhouse materials were simply needed I think.

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I'll ask for the third time Jacee - answer a couple of questions for us please. Have you even read the excerpts from the Hamas Charter that were provided? Are you OK with their core beliefs"

1) All Jews must be eliminated.

2) Peace, negotiations, ceasefires mean nothing except to give them an advantage in achieving their goal of eliminating all Jews.

It would be helpful if you actually participated in a healthy debate on the issues instead of just making things up.

Edited August 11, 2014 by Keepitsimple

[jacee]

There is extremism, racism and nastiness on both sides. Those aren't the issues.

I support the peace process, state status for Palestine, and freeing Gaza from the Israeli blockade so Gaza's economy can function.

Those are the real issues.

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Edited August 11, 2014 by jacee

[WestCoastRunner]

I'll ask for the third time Jacee - answer a couple of questions for us please. Have you even read the excerpts from the Hamas Charter that were provided? Are you OK with their core beliefs"

1) All Jews must be eliminated.

2) Peace, negotiations, ceasefires mean nothing except to give them an advantage in achieving their goal of eliminating all Jews.

It would be helpful if you actually participated in a healthy debate on the issues instead of just making things up.

It's not helpful reacting to bullies.

[Bonam]

In the current conditions in Gaza, many homes destroyed, minimal/no power, water and food and shelter shortages ... the greenhouse materials were simply needed I think.

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I wonder what could have better addressed Gaza's food shortage... functional green houses, or scrap metal hauled away to make rockets and tunnels? Hmm. Can't decide. That's a tough one!

[GostHacked]

Why is Hamas "forced to fight"?

Ask them, not me.

[jbg]

Ask them, not me.

You had said:

But since Israel maintains a buffer zone in Gaza, Hamas is forced to fight from the cities. Any of the open area, like whatever farmland might be available, is heavily controlled by Israel.

It does not make it right, but the tactics should be at least understood as to why they are happening.

So I was asking why Hamas had to be put in a position by Israel, who Hamas swears is an enemy, to fight Israel. So it was a legitimate question to ask you based on your comment.

[Keepitsimple]

There is extremism, racism and nastiness on both sides. Those aren't the issues.

I support the peace process, state status for Palestine, and freeing Gaza from the Israeli blockade so Gaza's economy can function.

Those are the real issues.

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No - once again I'd ask you to read the Hamas Charter. They have sworn to NOT make peace and that any gestures - ceasfires, truces, negotiations are only to be used as ploys towards their greater goal - the elimination of Israel as a State and the elimination/murder of all Jews. That is the real issue.

Since you remain silent on the Hamas Charter, one can only assume you either support it - or condone it. Either way, you simply ignore the fact that Hamas has stated that there can never be peace with Israel, never be recognition for the State of Israel - and there will be no stopping until every Jew is either banished from the Caliphate - or killed.

That is what you are condoning.

Edited August 11, 2014 by Keepitsimple

[Rue]

To answer the question asked of me when Israel withdrew its 8.600 settlers unilaterally in 2005 because Hamas said if Israelw ould do that it would stop attacking Israel, the outgoing settlersit dismantled 50% of its green houses in Gush Kalif, a series of 21 Israeli settlements.

The other 50% were left for Palestinians as a gift and destroyed by rampaging Palestinians urged on by Hamas and Fatah militants.

Those green houses could have fed all of Palestine.

Hamas also demonstrated vividly what liars they were. The moment Israel pulled out all its people, in 2005, Hamas resumed attacking with rockets and militants into Israel.

were lying, and understand they will never settle fr anything other than a Muslim Calpihate in Jordan, Israel and the West Bank.

The idiots in Hamas and Fatah following their extremist beliefs blew up and looted the greenhouses stating anything built by a Jew was evil.

This is the mentality we are dealing with.

So is it a surprise to me Jacee, Dre, Hudson Jones, Monty, can not and will not admit what Hamas stands for, acknowledge its Charter, acknowledge it would prefer to kill and starve its own people rather than have them live with Jews?

Of course not.

Their silence is blatant condonation and apology for what Hamas stands for.

Edited August 11, 2014 by Rue

[marcus]

Hamas and other militant groups are a reaction to the decades long occupation of the Palestinians.

Hamas only became relevant in the mid-90's when it was shown that Israel is not about to negotiate any real, lawful peace agreement. When you occupy a people and steal their land and do not show any compromising - removing settlers from Gaza, only to re-plant them in the West Bank illegal settlements and continuing the occupation by controlling all borders, sea and air is not any kind of good faith gesture. It's more of the same crap that the Palestinians have gone through.

Hamas and any other group who is under occupation, has every right to fight against the occupier, even by weapons. This is in the UN charter. What the problem is that the rockets they are firing are illegal, as they are shot indiscriminatory that could kill civilians.

One thing that is telling by the people who keep crying about the latest bogeyman, in order to justify Israel's ongoing aggression and occupation is dwarfed by the decades long Israeli illegal actions. Actions that have been going on before Hamas was created - with the help of Israel.