The HAMAS Charter - Murderous Insanity

[jacee]

They dont need to get rid of the arabs there. They will just push them into smaller and smaller chunks of useless land, and build settlements around the land and resources they find most useful. There certainly IS a considerable demographic in Israel that would like to see them ethnically cleansed from the region but the Israeli government is probably too careful in terms of turning the country into an international pariah.

And they would remain stateless?

That's a condition not allowed by the UN.

But they couldn't become Israeli because Israel will never give citizenship rights to a voting majority of Arabs.

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[jbg]

And they would remain stateless?

That's a condition not allowed by the UN.

They are Arabs. There are lots of Arab countries they could go to.

[jacee]

They are Arabs. There are lots of Arab countries they could go to.

That's disgusting.

Palestine is their home.

'Israel' invaded and occupied and ethnically cleansed them.

They're not leaving.

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Edited August 12, 2014 by jacee

[bush_cheney2004]

....Palestine is their home.

'Israel' invaded and occupied and ethnically cleansed them.

They're not leaving.

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Interesting...neither are the Israelis...or Canadians...or Americans.

[dre]

They are Arabs. There are lots of Arab countries they could go to.

Why? They have their own territory. If they want to leave, thats fine, but thats a choice.

[Hal 9000]

That's disgusting.

Palestine is their home.

'Israel' invaded and occupied and ethnically cleansed them.

They're not leaving.

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Answer my question Jacee;

I know you're not a big fan of answering questions but....If you were Netanyahu, would you trust Hamas?

[jacee]

Okay, so we're back to that. In other words, it's not 'massive amounts of resources' it's water. Why not say water?

Not just water.

Why not google?

/israel-is-exploiting-the-resources-of-the-occupied-west-bank

Israeli quarries that sell 94 percent of their produce to Israel operate in the West Bank on land allocated by the state specifically for this purpose. What this means is that Israel is treating Palestinian resources as its own.

Edited August 12, 2014 by jacee

[Keepitsimple]

Why not google?

/israel-is-exploiting-the-resources-of-the-occupied-west-bank

Lets keep things in perspective Jacee. "Massive amounts of Natural Resources".....what's that - gold, silver? Maybe copper or diamonds? OK, how about iron or tin? How are these occupiers enriching themselves? With rocks and gravel - raw construction material - that's how. Oh, and they pay Palestinians to work at the quarries and a substantial royalty to the Palestinian government. Regardless, they've cut back on quarry activity in the past few years. Nasty plunderers those Israelis.

[jacee]

Interesting...neither are the Israelis...or Canadians...or Americans.

The comparison is obvious, eh?

Indigenous Nations are not leaving either, and in Canada they are gaining recognition of title to huge amounts of land, and control of the resources of that land.

Now the direction for Palestine becomes clearer.

[jacee]

Answer my question Jacee;

I know you're not a big fan of answering questions but....If you were Netanyahu, would you trust Hamas?

If you were Palestinian would you trust Netanyahu?

It's an inane question.

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[jacee]

Nasty plunderers those Israelis.

Yes, apparently.

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[bush_cheney2004]

The comparison is obvious, eh?

Indigenous Nations are not leaving either, and in Canada they are gaining recognition of title to huge amounts of land, and control of the resources of that land.

Might want to get those land claims settled before preaching to the Israelis. Give it all back....show Israel how it should be done !

[Hal 9000]

If you were Palestinian would you trust Netanyahu?

It's an inane question.

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You can't even answer that simple question! In fact, you have never answered any questions! Just pathetic!

[Rue]

You can try to sugarcoat it all you want, but it's obvious that you're just another Israeli apologist who will go to any length, including not being dishonest about the situation in order to push the Zionist agenda.

Well say now. If I take out the word Israeli and replace it with Hamas and takeout the word Zionist and put in the word terrorist, wow see how that works, it describes you does it not/

Name calling is not debating. Its name calling. Your silence as to the Hamas charter and your repeated silence as to how it engages in the tactic of placing the people it allegedly defends in immediate death's way speaks for itseld.

You want to accuse others of dishonesty when you hide from me and won't condone Hamas? Hah.

[Bob Macadoo]

Well say now. If I take out the word Israeli and replace it with Hamas and takeout the word Zionist and put in the word terrorist, wow see how that works, it describes you does it not/

Name calling is not debating. Its name calling. Your silence as to the Hamas charter and your repeated silence as to how it engages in the tactic of placing the people it allegedly defends in immediate death's way speaks for itseld.

You want to accuse others of dishonesty when you hide from me and won't condone Hamas? Hah.

That has got to be near the best thing I've read yet.......not as good as your fallen friend cry.....but a close second.

[Hudson Jones]

There is some truth to what you've said - but in entirely the wrong context. While no Jew can set foot in Gaza without being murdered or ransomed by Hamas, the West Bank is home to over 500,000 Jews - about 20% of the West Bank population.

Let me fix some of that information before I continue. The West Bank, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem have 500,000+ Jewish settlers which are deemed to be illegal under international law which is supported by the international community including the U.S. and Canada. The International Court of Justice also says that these settlements are illegal under international law.

It seems convenient for you to forget/dismiss/ignore the Munich massacre and the waves of Hamas suicide bombers that killed hundreds of innocent civilians inside Israel throughout the 90's and early 2000's. Now THAT is brutal.

I did not forget that. Neither did I forget all the other killings and massacres done by Israel and Jewish terrorist groups which were led by future Israeli prime ministers (Begin and Shamir)

Other than occupation - how else can you defend a country against an enemy that is sworn to your elimination and the killing of every single one of your citizens. How else other than by blocade - how else to deter a terrorist enemy that wants only one thing - for your country to be eliminated and all your people dead?

No intelligent person will believe that the occupation, land annexation, the stealing of resources and expansionism is for self-defense. Anyone who follows what has occurred in the region knows who is on the offensive and who is on the defensive.

Under international law, which Israel is signatory to, they cannot use the charter of some group as an excuse to steal land, resources and violate human rights.

[bush_cheney2004]

Under international law, which Israel is signatory to, they cannot use the charter of some group as an excuse to steal land, resources and violate human rights.

Agreed, as Israel can do all of those things and a lot more regardless of any such charter. Just watch 'em....

[jacee]

You can't even answer that simple question! In fact, you have never answered any questions! Just pathetic!

Pathetic questions.

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[jacee]

No intelligent person will believe that the occupation, land annexation, the stealing of resources and expansionism is for self-defense. Anyone who follows what has occurred in the region knows who is on the offensive and who is on the defensive.

Now there's a quote that deserves to be repeated and highlighted!

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[bush_cheney2004]

The best defense is a strong offense. Keep shooting rockets to find out what this means.....

[jbg]

JBG when you read that Charter you will find its a mix of several things-British constitutional concepts, but also some American ones. Its a hybrid of the two and our old Bill of Rights and the British North America Act.

The Hamas Charter is hardly a mix of several things-British and American constitutional concepts. It is more the rantings of a lunatic.

[Rue]

The Hamas Charter is hardly a mix of several things-British and American constitutional concepts. It is more the rantings of a lunatic.

Lol no no. I was referring to the Canadian Charter of Rights! I just was saying you will see we tried to mix the British and American concepts into our charter. The Hamas "Charter". I think its a stretch calling it a "charter". Its a series of hate chants.

[Rue]

1-The International Court of Justice also says that these settlements are illegal under international law.

2-I did not forget that. Neither did I forget all the other killings and massacres done by Israel and Jewish terrorist groups which were led by future Israeli prime ministers (Begin and Shamir)

3-No intelligent person will believe that the occupation, land annexation, the stealing of resources and expansionism is for self-defense. Anyone who follows what has occurred in the region knows who is on the offensive and who is on the defensive.

4-Under international law, which Israel is signatory to, they cannot use the charter of some group as an excuse to steal land, resources and violate human rights.

Its comments like the above that show how lacking in credibility your words are.

In regards to 1; you will point out when you think international law is violated by Israel but never when its violated by Hamas-that makes your selectivity and silence and therefore sincerity as to the topic you discuss meaningless;

In regards to 2; you forget anything that's not convenient to your diatribes on Israel-you don't forget? Oh you forget or better put deliberately omit anything Hamas has done and other Arab terrorists have done and are trying to do, to Israel;

In regards to 3; its ironic but you just proved if anything your need to create subjective opinions, then project them on an imagined group of people, then call that people unintelligent, is not only illogical but lacks intelligence-an intelligent person would not presume as you do that other thoughts are only intelligent if they are the same-in fact an intelligent mind would embrace the challenge of pursuing different views and perspectives-the very definition of intelligence is flexability in perceiving possibile variations of the same concept or any other concept-a mind that closes itself down to any opinion but its own isn't intelligent-its lazy, narcissistic, rigid, inflexible and if anything frightened-that fear limits and inhibits awareness-in some that lack of awareness is caused by a genetic condition, a brain injury, a disease-in your case I believe its generated by deliberate and pre-meditated hatred of Jews and the concept that a Jew would dare think he or she could live in their own state.

In regards to 4, and your point? As in 1, when international law is convenient to your argument you seem to quote it. When it comes to Hamas, the PFLP, Force 17, Tanzim, Fatah hawks, Fatah Eagles, Islamic Jihad. Palestinian Jihad, the Muslim Brotherhood, Isis, Hezbollah, Al Quaeda, Syria, Sudan, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Tunisia, not a peep as to the international laws being broken in the name of Allah. Not a peep as to how Hamas has violated international law in each and every action it has engaged in. Not a peep in how it has violated international law using hospitals, ambulances, UNWRA buildings, schools, residences, Mosques, as war sites. Not a peep on how it has deliberately led its people directly into the line of fire and forced its people to stay in buildings to die. Not a peep.

This is why "Hudson Jones" your infrequent interventions on this board that only talk of international law, when its convienient for your need to slag israel lacks any credibility.

You will not come on this board and condemn what Hamas does. You won't admit it has a charter that calls for the genocide of jews world wide. You won't admit it deliberately kills its citizens as propaganda props to gain media sympathy. You won't admit it is a Muslim extremist religious group calling for the extermination of Jews not just Israelis world wide. you won't admit its very charter tells its people to die.

You wan to quote international law? You who won't dare quote it when it comes to Hamas but only with Israel.

Right.

[Hal 9000]

Pathetic questions.

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Every question asked of you has been a good question. Your reluctance to answer is a very strong sign of weakness. You want to get in ring, but you don't wanna be questioned, and you're unable to defend your stance - very weak indeed.

[Hudson Jones]

Hamas, as the elected body has every right to defend the Palestinians against the occupying force. This is according to international law. However, when they shoot rockets indiscriminatory, even if over 90% of them don't even reach the borders of cities and even though they're not killing civilians, BUT because they "could" harm civilians, then it is against international law. This is why Hamas should be prosecuted for violating international law.

That said, Hamas' illegal actions are just a drop in the bucket as compared to Israel's decades long violations of international law. Violations that have gone on since Israel's inception. Violations like:

• Ethnic cleansing, where they drove out hundreds of thousands of civilians from their homes and have not allowed them back to their lands
• Killing thousands of them
• Demolishing homes and destroying over 500 villages and towns in what is now Israel
• Numerous massacres that were done by the IDF and the militia (terrorist) groups
• Stealing Palestinian land
• Creating illegal settlements on Palestinian land
• Demolishing more Palestinian homes to make way for Jewish only homes
• Stealing natural resources
• Assassinations
• Kidnapping thousands without due process
• Torturing men and children
• Using illegal weapons
• Targeting civilians in numerous offensive
• Creating a blockade and collectively punishing Palestinians
• and the list goes on...

Israel is a criminal state and anyone who tries to apologize for them is apologizing for criminals.

Here is a list of violations of international law by Israel.

Edited August 15, 2014 by Hudson Jones