kidnapped Israeli teens bodies found

[WestCoastRunner]

You inferred it by suggesting that if woman ran the world - or whatever the quote was. Anyway, England has a long history of queens waging war, and I'd suspect Hillary has more of a trigger finger than Obama.

I am disappointed by Obama, but I think Hillary can put the screws to this conflict.

[-TSS-]

It never ceases to amaze me how people wank themselves into ecstasy over this issue even in a country like Finland. You should see the Finnish news or the comments on the Finnish social media about this conflict,

The thing I'm amazed with is wtf has this got to do with Finland so much to get all those people's knickers in a twist. Nothing whatsoever. The way I see things is that we are happy in our little periphery next to Siberia. Why do some people want to spoil that happiness by taking sides in a conflict that has nothing to do with us?

Edited August 3, 2014 by -TSS-

[WestCoastRunner]

It never ceases to amaze me how people wank themselves into ecstasy over this issue even in a country like Finland. You should see the Finnish news or the comments on the Finnish social media about this conflict,

The thing I'm amazed with is wtf has this got to do with Finland so much to get all those people's knickers in a twist. Nothing whatsoever. The way I see things is that we are happy in our little periphery next to Siberia. Why do some people want to spoil that happiness by taking sides in a conflict that has nothing to do with us?

Perhaps because they take an interest in what's happening outside of where they live. Just like we do in Canada.

[WestCoastRunner]

It never ceases to amaze me how people wank themselves into ecstasy over this issue even in a country like Finland. You should see the Finnish news or the comments on the Finnish social media about this conflict,

The thing I'm amazed with is wtf has this got to do with Finland so much to get all those people's knickers in a twist. Nothing whatsoever. The way I see things is that we are happy in our little periphery next to Siberia. Why do some people want to spoil that happiness by taking sides in a conflict that has nothing to do with us?

And perhaps they have empathy for what's happening outside their country. I certainly encourage my adult children to look outside our country and observe what's happening outside our country.

[GostHacked]

Nice, so this Israeli soldier that was apparently captured, which gave way to Israels 'you broke the cease fire', turns out the dude died in battle and was not captured at all.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-conflict-missing-israeli-soldier-declared-dead-1.2725940

The Israeli military said Sunday that an Israeli soldier it previously believed had been captured by Hamas fighters in a Gaza ambush had in fact been killed in battle that day.

The soldier's purported capture Friday had helped shatter an internationally brokered ceasefire, drawn global condemnation and triggered a military assault on the area of his disappearance in southern Gaza that left dozens of Palestinians dead and scores of homes destroyed.

And some say Israel never breaks cease fires.

[Hal 9000]

Nice, so this Israeli soldier that was apparently captured, which gave way to Israels 'you broke the cease fire', turns out the dude died in battle and was not captured at all.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-conflict-missing-israeli-soldier-declared-dead-1.2725940

And some say Israel never breaks cease fires.

The Israelis were working on the tunnels, Hamas ambushed them.

[eyeball]

The Israelis were working on the tunnels, Hamas ambushed them.

Would the result have been any different if the IDF happened upon Palestinians working on a concrete barrier during a truce?

[Hal 9000]

Would the result have been any different if the IDF happened upon Palestinians working on a concrete barrier during a truce?

Were not talking "ifs" - were talking "facts", and the fact is; Hamas knew Israel were working on those tunnels and went in and ambushed them breaking a cease-fire...again.

[GostHacked]

Were not talking "ifs" - were talking "facts", and the fact is; Hamas knew Israel were working on those tunnels and went in and ambushed them breaking a cease-fire...again.

So, you would not take to task the fact they used this soldier's 'capture' to rain hell down on Gaza? Now we know that he was NOT captured, but in killed in action (and that action has not been very specific) ,,,,,

Who really broke the cease fire??

[Hal 9000]

So, you would not take to task the fact they used this soldier's 'capture' to rain hell down on Gaza? Now we know that he was NOT captured, but in killed in action (and that action has not been very specific) ,,,,,

Who really broke the cease fire??

Hamas did, very one agrees on what happened, why do you people keep giving them excuses that they don't even want?

As far as the "capturing" goes, it wouldn't surprise me if Israel knew he was captured and knew where he was and decided rather than have him be used as bait or hostage, they'd decimate everything including their own guy. That's just my wild theory though.

[GostHacked]

Hamas did, very one agrees on what happened, why do you people keep giving them excuses that they don't even want?

As far as the "capturing" goes, it wouldn't surprise me if Israel knew he was captured and knew where he was and decided rather than have him be used as bait or hostage, they'd decimate everything including their own guy. That's just my wild theory though.

What would Israel have to gain by lying about the soldiers status?

[jacee]

Gaza: Strike near UN school a 'criminal act,' says Ban Ki-moon

A United Nations school sheltering displaced people in the southern Gaza Strip was hit Sunday by what a UN official said appeared to be an Israeli airstrike, an attack that killed 10 people as Israel signaled a possible scaling back in the ongoing war.​

This attack, along with other breaches of international law, must be swiftly investigated and those responsible held accountable," the UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said. "It is a moral outrage and a criminal act."

It is quite clear from Israel's failure to respond to Hamas' 10 year cease fire proposal that Israel's current leadership has no intention of pursuing peace with its neighbours.

So sad when formerly oppressed peoples become the oppressors.

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Edited August 3, 2014 by jacee

[Guest]

The last ceasefire was broken by Hamas after about 90 miniutes. The Israelis would have to be idiots of the highest order to trust Hamas to observe one for ten years. Surely you can see that?

Edit> No "don't call me Shirley" jokes.

Edited August 3, 2014 by bcsapper

[Hal 9000]

What would Israel have to gain by lying about the soldiers status?

As I said, it's just a wild theory, however, one can assume that its easier to lose one solider than be put in the position to have to barter for his return.

Gaza: Strike near UN school a 'criminal act,' says Ban Ki-moon

A United Nations school sheltering displaced people in the southern Gaza Strip was hit Sunday by what a UN official said appeared to be an Israeli airstrike, an attack that killed 10 people as Israel signaled a possible scaling back in the ongoing war.​

This attack, along with other breaches of international law, must be swiftly investigated and those responsible held accountable," the UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said. "It is a moral outrage and a criminal act."

It is quite clear from Israel's failure to respond to Hamas' 10 year cease fire proposal that Israel's current leadership has no intention of pursuing peace with its neighbours.

So sad when formerly oppressed peoples become the oppressors.

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Please give up the "10 yr cease-fire" argument. Its never going to happen. You're simply embarrassing yourself.

[John]

Isn't the destruction of Israel Hamas' main reason for existing?

Khaled Meshaal: "You know what! Let's put the whole thing on ice for 10 years. Sure we wanna destroy all you Jews...but what's 10 years in the great big scheme of things? Am I right or am I righ?"

I can see him saying that...seriously...I can...

[Hal 9000]

Isn't the destruction of Israel Hamas' main reason for existing?

Khaled Meshaal: "You know what! Let's put the whole thing on ice for 10 years. Sure we wanna destroy all you Jews...but what's 10 years in the great big scheme of things? Am I right or am I righ?"

I can see him saying that...seriously...I can...

That's the thing, Hamas (if fact Muslims in general) don't care about timelines the way we do. If it takes them 10 years to achieve their goal - so be it. If it takes 25 or 50 years of fighting - so be it. They don't care how many "martyrs" it takes to achieve their goals either.

I would wager that if Hamas killed every jew in Israel and there was just 2 Palestinians alive and standing in Jerusalem, it would be a glorious victory for Palestine.

[jacee]

The last ceasefire was broken by Hamas after about 90 miniutes. The Israelis would have to be idiots of the highest order to trust Hamas to observe one for ten years. Surely you can see that?

Edit> No "don't call me Shirley" jokes.

The conditions are reasonable.

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[jacee]

Isn't the destruction of Israel Hamas' main reason for existing?.

And the destruction of Palestinians is Israel's purpose.

So what's your point?

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[Shady]

And the destruction of Palestinians is Israel's purpose.

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What do you mean?

[John]

And the destruction of Palestinians is Israel's purpose.

So what's your point?

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My point is that with such an open declaration of intent...it would be hard to accept any cease fire promise of 10 years with any kind of seriousness. Do you honestly believe that Hamas would stick to that? It's a YES or NO question...no need to go off on a tangent.

As a country...I don't think that Israel has stated, openly & officially, that kind of desire. YES, there may have been members of the government who have made statements to that effect. But it's a democracy and you're going to get all kind of people saying all kinds of things. YES there are settlements, and they are a legitimate issue to overcome for a lasting peace.

[Big Guy]

There appear to be moderates on both sides. Unfortunately, nobody seems to want to listen to them.

From the Israeli side;

“How to break the Hamas pathology of attacking Israel, killing or kidnapping Israeli soldiers, and the Israeli pathology of killing so many civilians and wreaking horrifying levels of physical destruction?

End the occupation, says Rabbi Henry Siegman. He is the former executive director of the American Jewish Congress, former head of the Synagogue Council of America, former senior fellow of the Council on Foreign relations and now president of the U.S./Middle East Project.

“When one thinks that this is what’s necessary for Israel to survive, that the Zionist dream is based on the repeated slaughter of innocents on a scale that we’re watching these days on television, that’s really a profound, profound crisis . . .

“Couldn’t Israel be doing something (to prevent) this disaster? . . . The answer is, sure, they could have ended the occupation . . .

“You can give them (the Palestinians) their rights, and you can end the occupation.”

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/08/02/end_israeli_occupation_of_all_palestinian_lands_siddiqui.html

From the Palestinian side;

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas called on Hamas to end its hail of rockets on Israel as Israeli leaders signaled they were preparing to invade the Gaza Strip to stop the barrages.

Abbas spoke today as the Palestinian death toll from three days of intensified Israeli air strikes in Hamas-controlled Gaza neared 90. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a televised address today that there would be “additional phases” to the military operation and that a “difficult, complex” battle lies ahead.

“What are you trying to achieve by sending rockets?” Abbas asked on Palestine TV, without explicitly naming Hamas, which recently lent its backing to his government after a seven-year rift. “We prefer to fight with wisdom and politics.”

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-07-10/abbas-lashes-out-at-hamas-for-barraging-israel-with-rockets

And the score keeps piling up.

[On Guard for Thee]

 

My point is that with such an open declaration of intent...it would be hard to accept any cease fire promise of 10 years with any kind of seriousness. Do you honestly believe that Hamas would stick to that? It's a YES or NO question...no need to go off on a tangent.

As a country...I don't think that Israel has stated, openly & officially, that kind of desire. YES, there may have been members of the government who have made statements to that effect. But it's a democracy and you're going to get all kind of people saying all kinds of things. YES there are settlements, and they are a legitimate issue to overcome for a lasting peace.

 

THEOCRACY.

[jacee]

Please give up the "10 yr cease-fire" argument. Its never going to happen.

Because Israel doesn't want peace, you mean?

/middle-east/palestinians-in-talks-with-us-and-quartet-as-israel-stays-away-

Edited August 4, 2014 by jacee

[bush_cheney2004]

Peace is way overrated...especially when it means getting attacked by thousands of rockets.

[jacee]

My point is that with such an open declaration of intent...it would be hard to accept any cease fire promise of 10 years with any kind of seriousness. Do you honestly believe that Hamas would stick to that? It's a YES or NO question...no need to go off on a tangent.

Would Israel fulfill all of the conditions?

As a country...I don't think that Israel has stated, openly & officially, that kind of desire. YES, there may have been members of the government who have made statements to that effect. But it's a democracy and you're going to get all kind of people saying all kinds of things. YES there are settlements, and they are a legitimate issue to overcome for a lasting peace.

yup

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