This week in Islam

scribblet · January 1, 2019

This week .....German town in shock after refugees hospitalised 9 people during ‘orgy of violence’ by by middle east refugees

htps://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/gewalt-exzess-in-amberg-verkaeuferin-wird-zur-heldin_id_10129339.html

and in Cleveland

http://www.cleveland19.com/2018/12/31/cleveland-clinic-doctor-fired-after-making-anti-semitic-statements-online/

Muslim doctor in Ohio tweets that she will prescribe the wrong medications to Jews. "I’ll give all the Jews wrong meds. Fortunately she got fired

Goddess · January 2, 2019

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/fatah-coming-soon-believe-it-or-not-islamic-party-of-ontario?fbclid=IwAR3ClHo4_MsmH4l1lJcVYjyV2hIFYigj5tgf0frIikLxfwb0Td5Ya2Pbi74#comments

The Islamic Party of Ontario - coming soon.

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In case you have not heard of the Islamic Party of Ontario, its name was officially reserved under Elections Ontario rules in October 2018, with more steps required before it becomes a formal party.

It operates with a mandate to introduce Islamic rule in Ontario and Canada because, according to the fledgling party, “We understand and believe that Islam is the native DEEN (religion) of Ontario and Canada.”

The Islamic Party of Ontario is headed by one Jawed Anwar, who operates out of the Toronto neighborhood of Thorncliffe Park.

The founder of the party - Jawed Anwar - started the new year by threatening Tarek Fatah and the LGBQ community in Canada:

http://news.acdemocracy.org/islamic-party-of-ontario-warns-lgbtq-of-death-penalty-in-islam/

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Before this Trojan Horse can enter the gates of mainstream Toronto and Ontario politics by the ever-eager diversity-seeking politicians, perhaps you, the voters need to know what the Islamic Party of Ontario claims to desire in Canada, according to their posted principles and policies.

Establish Islam as the natural religion of Ontario.

Quash LGBTQ rights because “God made Adam and Eve –not Adam and Steve.”

A complete ban on abortion except in a situation when a mother’s life is in danger.

End the concept of “gender identity” or “seven-colour gender,” a false concept.

Ban liquor, drugs, adultery, and gambling.

All human beings are equal and sons and daughters of same father and mother, Adam and Eve. The better among us are those who have more fear of Allah.
A strict law will be suggested to ban blasphemy of any religious (all) symbols and personalities.

The last two platforms I found on their website,so I didn't include in the quote.

Hopefully it works out better for us than in Belgium:

https://www.rt.com/news/425281-belgium-islam-party-segregation/

Argus · January 2, 2019

I wouldn't worry about them, Goddess. They sound like a bunch of flakes, and they have no chance of getting any electoral success unless the system is changed from FPTP.

scribblet · January 2, 2019

Not sure if they are just flakes, I don't doubt that there are many out there who think their policies etc. are a good idea, I've seen similar comments in the U.K. Fortunately we don't have proportional rep. as if we did no doubt we would see the emergence of a lot more radical groups.

GostHacked · January 3, 2019

17 hours ago, Argus said:

I wouldn't worry about them, Goddess. They sound like a bunch of flakes, and they have no chance of getting any electoral success unless the system is changed from FPTP.

I would hope that would be the case, but then again we got idiots like Trudeau who might just welcome all that bullshit.

eyeball · January 3, 2019

On 12/31/2018 at 11:20 AM, GostHacked said:

Comparing Muslims living here to the Manchester bombing is a weak connection at best. The real thing is how these people are integrating into our country.

And why are the struggling economically? Oh right, sanctions on them by the western nations that say they are terrorists. That's how Iraq played out. Bush Sr invaded, then Iraq had lots of sanctions put on it, which led to a bigger problem of 'terrorism', but because the 9/11 hijackers were mostly SAUDI, it only makes sense to pummel Iraq into the ground for 9/11.

All because of the war on terror. Hands down.

The problems in Syria came from outside of the nation. Perpetuated by Saudi terrorists backed by the USA. Only after ISIS was defeated by Russia and Syria, the USA then decides to pull out. Because they were defeated in Syria , plain and simple. Russia saved Syria and Assad and now the USA is turning tail and running.

If we continue to support sanctions and war on M.E. nations for bullshit reasons, then you are part of the problem as to why Muslims are causing problems here.

The dots are there, grab a pencil and connect them.

The best way to connect these is to start at the beginning, Iran 1953. The effect this had on the ME was bad enough but the effect it had on the US was nothing short of disastrous - it emboldened the US to continue behaving badly in the region and elsewhere and in complete contradiction to everything - EVERYTHING - it ever said or stood for with regards to democracy, liberty, and especially how governments need to be of the people.

Kharma or better yet blowback seems the most appropriate terms to describe the natural outcome stemming from this.

Our silence after all this time amounts to little less than complicity and as such we've got it coming too. The bcsappers of the world especially.

bush_cheney2004 · January 3, 2019

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

The best way to connect these is to start at the beginning, Iran 1953. The effect this had on the ME was bad enough but the effect it had on the US was nothing short of disastrous - it emboldened the US to continue behaving badly in the region

No more than Britain and France had for many decades before...you conveniently leave out the UK's roll in "Iran 1953".

eyeball · January 4, 2019

14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

No more than Britain and France had for many decades before...you conveniently leave out the UK's roll in "Iran 1953".

How about you go shove your filthy smelly whataboutism back up where you pulled it from?

Thanks.

DogOnPorch · January 9, 2019

Canadian...lol...Imam declares that wishing folks a Merry Christmas is worse than murder. Poor dear was taken out of context...as usual when found spouting hatred.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadian-cleric-says-merry-christmas-is-worse-than-murder-remarks-were-taken-out-of-context-1.4243380

January 9, 2019

3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Canadian...lol...Imam declares that wishing folks a Merry Christmas is worse than murder. Poor dear was taken out of context...as usual when found spouting hatred.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadian-cleric-says-merry-christmas-is-worse-than-murder-remarks-were-taken-out-of-context-1.4243380

Yes, it's obviously open to interpretation.

“If a person were to commit every major sin, murder, committing adultery, dealing with interest, all of these sins, if a person were to do all of those major sins, they are nothing compared to the sin of congratulating and greeting the non-Muslims on their false festivals,” he said.

Merry Christmas to him. Happy Easter too.

DogOnPorch · January 9, 2019

On 1/3/2019 at 3:45 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

No more than Britain and France had for many decades before...you conveniently leave out the UK's roll in "Iran 1953".

Or Iran's role...Mossadeq sucking-up to the Soviets in 1953...brave or stupid...not sure which.

scribblet · January 9, 2019

Honest to Pete, what's wrong with some people, a woman should be able to defend herself without being arrested

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6565315/Swiss-woman-charged-assault-slapping-Afghan-migrant-kept-groping-her.html?

Swiss woman is charged with assault after slapping Afghan migrant who kept groping her during New Year's Eve celebrations

DogOnPorch · January 9, 2019

1 hour ago, scribblet said:

Honest to Pete, what's wrong with some people, a woman should be able to defend herself without being arrested

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6565315/Swiss-woman-charged-assault-slapping-Afghan-migrant-kept-groping-her.html?

Swiss woman is charged with assault after slapping Afghan migrant who kept groping her during New Year's Eve celebrations

Literally: what your right hand possesses is yours...according to Islam.

Islam teaches that infidel women are yours to take freely. It's just those darn secular laws getting in the way of it's proper fulfillment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_malakat_aymanukum

So she was entirely out-of-line defending herself in such a manner when she was clearly his possession.

Submission to her new male master was the proper thing to do.

Shady · January 9, 2019

Swiss woman is charged with assault after slapping Afghan migrant who kept groping her during New Year's Eve celebrations

DogOnPorch · January 9, 2019

Just now, Truth Detector said:

Swiss woman is charged with assault after slapping Afghan migrant who kept groping her during New Year's Eve celebrations

See my post previous.

January 9, 2019

10 hours ago, scribblet said:

Honest to Pete, what's wrong with some people, a woman should be able to defend herself without being arrested

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6565315/Swiss-woman-charged-assault-slapping-Afghan-migrant-kept-groping-her.html?

Swiss woman is charged with assault after slapping Afghan migrant who kept groping her during New Year's Eve celebrations

#NotHerToo, I guess. Has there been any Swiss/Austrian feminist outrage about this?

Edited January 9, 2019 by bcsapper
Men never stop doing evil so completely and cheerfully as when it earns them a broken nose - Not Blaise Pascal

Shady · January 10, 2019

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

#NotHerToo, I guess. Has there been any Swiss/Austrian feminist outrage about this?

It’s totally a real life illustration of this!

scribblet · January 10, 2019

15 hours ago, bcsapper said:

#NotHerToo, I guess. Has there been any Swiss/Austrian feminist outrage about this?

I think there has been, not just in Austria (where it happened) and the local media tell us that the suspect was art of a migrant gang who were allegedly assaulting women in the crowd during the New Year celebrations. Problem is, when people do complain or protest they are branded as 'Islamophobic' and ;alt-right', it's all over not just here where the name calling happens and the media covers up.

Gun ownership in Europe is rising mainly due to fears of rising crime https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/958a1cd2-129e-11e9-8239-c0a124428b01

from 2016 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35239503

Hundreds of people have protested in the German city of Cologne over sexual assaults and thefts carried out by groups of men on New Year's Eve.

This is from 2016 also https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3390168/Migrant-rape-fears-spread-Europe-Women-told-not-night-assaults-carried-Sweden-Finland-Germany-Austria-Switzerland-amid-warnings-gangs-ordinating-attacks.html

ETA: Sweden tried banning men from a music festival because of the “spate of sex attacks by migrant men plagued other festivals” but ran into equality laws.

Edited January 10, 2019 by scribblet

scribblet · January 14, 2019

A recent investigative report by the Fifth Estate has revealed that a Toronto mosque has been issuing marriage certificates for Muslims in polygamous relationships.

“I’ve decided to have a marriage again, to take a second wife” says the undercover reporter to Imam Aly Hindy. He also says: “We have no problem with the government because this is nikah [a Muslim marriage]. There is no problem,” says the Imam. Possibility of prison sentence of up to 5 years not a deterrent for some Muslim men

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/polygamy-canadian-muslim-community-1.4971971

Argus · January 28, 2019

The United Arab Emerates just held a big celebration, the gender equality awards!

All of the winners were men.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/28/uae-mocked-for-gender-equality-awards-won-entirely-by-men

turningrite · January 29, 2019

22 hours ago, Argus said:

The United Arab Emerates just held a big celebration, the gender equality awards!

All of the winners were men.

Too funny! Before reading the article, I thought that perhaps the awards were euphemistically named. But these guys in the UAE are apparently serious. (One can only imagine: "I allow my girls to fetch my coffee without another man supervising them!") Oh well, as Trudeau would no doubt say, they're evolving.

Goddess · January 29, 2019

15 minutes ago, turningrite said:

Too funny! Before reading the article, I thought that perhaps the awards were euphemistically named. But these guys in the UAE are apparently serious. (One can only imagine: "I allow my girls to fetch my coffee without another man supervising them!") Oh well, as Trudeau would no doubt say, they're evolving.

Not sure about the evolving.....This picture was was from a Saudi Arabian conference on women in 2012:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/28/saudi-arabian-womens-conference-picture_n_3515062.html

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The conference was reportedly held at the University of Qassim and was apparently attended by representatives of 15 countries.

In November 2012 it emerged women were being electronically monitored with authorities using SMS to track them and inform their husbands of their whereabouts.

15 countries - not a woman in sight.

Rue · January 29, 2019

3 hours ago, turningrite said:

Too funny! Before reading the article, I thought that perhaps the awards were euphemistically named. But these guys in the UAE are apparently serious. (One can only imagine: "I allow my girls to fetch my coffee without another man supervising them!") Oh well, as Trudeau would no doubt say, they're evolving.

Time lines in history are relative. When examining how a society evolves we usually look back at old societies from the past many thousands of years later and we think a 100 years is nothing. Sometimes we look at time lines in terms of centuries, decades, 1000's of years. Time is illusionary. It seems a lot shorter when one looks backwards. When one looks at the moment, a year, 10 years, 50 years seems a lot longer than looking backwords.

When Christian society evolved in Europe which it still is, you can be sure women found the progress or amount of time it took to get to the point of not calling them witches or property seemed like it would never happen much as you do now with Muslim society.

Its relative. Yes right now the majority of the Muslim world appears sexist, racist, name the ist and ism. Call it extremist, discriminatory, backwards, evil. Using your standards no doubt it is. Using my current standards it would be as well. The point though is this...when we do that, we reflect our bias that we assume we are at the cutting edge of what is morally superior and perfect and can look back at others and say we are superior to them and they are savage.

And now? Ok, so these people are "savage" or "sexist" or "way behind us". And? When one does that they adopt a superiority complex. Thanks but I would prefer not to because while I reject where Saudi Arabia is at right now in terms of its social development, I don't feel smug about it. I can understand why women would challenge it and even you. I do. But my point is, the society I live in has its own sexual issues to work on. We are by no means an evolved society in the position to stick a nose up at anyone, not with our rates of sexual violence, human trafficking, sexual perversion, confused gender identities, and so on.

Sorry but I see no sexual role models or perfect sexual/general relations society I live in.

So I have been trying to make the point evolution of morals is relative and all us humans in all current societies have a long way to go. I would prefer to live in Canada and I am grateful I do and reject the Saudi interpretation of Islam but I don't think I am any better than them. I am no guilt ridden Liberal either. But I am saying the only difference in ape packs is not as great as many of us may think it is and we are all on a relative time line of evolution and the most advanced of us still picks his/her butt and eats fleas.

Banana anyone?

I personally think there are far more evolved life forms on this planet than homo sapiens, i.e., whales, dolphins, crows, vultures, pigs, elephants, mountain guerillas, horses, to name a few, not to mention the planet earth itself.

turningrite · January 30, 2019

15 hours ago, Rue said:

Its relative. Yes right now the majority of the Muslim world appears sexist, racist, name the ist and ism. Call it extremist, discriminatory, backwards, evil. Using your standards no doubt it is. Using my current standards it would be as well. The point though is this...when we do that, we reflect our bias that we assume we are at the cutting edge of what is morally superior and perfect and can look back at others and say we are superior to them and they are savage.

I think you're missing the point here. Many see these stories as rather comical. Essentially, our own cultural references and social terminology are being turned upside down in such a fashion as to highlight the vast differences in social norms between different societies. A gender equality awards ceremony without female representation is, to our way of thinking, oxymoronic. But it also pokes holes in the underlying intellectual formula that underlies a lot of "progressive" thought, which is the notion that "evolutionary convergence" will inexorably bring other societies into compliance with Western norms. Trudeau apparently believes this. But those guys in the ME have apparently figured out that all you have to do is adopt the fashionable and/or prevalent Western terminology. The joke is really on us.

Goddess · January 30, 2019

16 hours ago, Rue said:

When Christian society evolved in Europe which it still is, you can be sure women found the progress or amount of time it took to get to the point of not calling them witches or property seemed like it would never happen much as you do now with Muslim society.

Women's rights in Western society have been hard won. At the time, there were no other nations that could "set the example", so to say. That's not the case today - Islamic societies can see how women are treated in Western societies (which you are correct - still has some work to do) and still insist on women having an inferior role in society. That's what I don't understand.

16 hours ago, Rue said:

Its relative. Yes right now the majority of the Muslim world appears sexist, racist, name the ist and ism. Call it extremist, discriminatory, backwards, evil. Using your standards no doubt it is. Using my current standards it would be as well. The point though is this...when we do that, we reflect our bias that we assume we are at the cutting edge of what is morally superior and perfect and can look back at others and say we are superior to them and they are savage.

I think part of the issue is that with Islamic extremism taking the front stage and purporting to represent Islam - it skews the scale of what is considered extreme or moderate. Now, as long as Muslims aren't killing each other or driving trucks into crowds - we consider them "moderate" when the reality is, they are far from moderate in many of their beliefs.

16 hours ago, Rue said:

Thanks but I would prefer not to because while I reject where Saudi Arabia is at right now in terms of its social development, I don't feel smug about it.

I don't think it's about feeling smug......The issue for me is that it is the Saudi Arabian version of Islam that is being promoted and funded in mosques and Islamic schools all over the world. To think that this is not affecting Muslims all over the world is to ignore the power that religious beliefs have over people. I don't think Muslims in Western countries are being radicalized so much because they don't fit in or because of Western influences in Islamic countries. They are being radicalized because we are allowing the Saudi version of Islam to reign. And Muslims themselves are allowing it, as well. Why are we doing this?

16 hours ago, Rue said:

But I am saying the only difference in ape packs is not as great as many of us may think it is and we are all on a relative time line of evolution and the most advanced of us still picks his/her butt and eats fleas.

Banana anyone?

I may be an ape but I know better than to eat a banana in front of men. :lol: :lol: