What improvements would you like to see in this discussion forum?

[On Guard for Thee]

I did? Where have I shown I'm against free speech? Now if I had, you might have a point, but I'm the opposite, which is why your stupid little remark was a fail.

I guess if you like to hurl insults around, you may get blowback.

[Charles Anthony]

Guys,

Enough. Take your personal conversation to the personal messaging service.

Ch. A.

I think the majority can agree on a couple trolls that seem to stand out, and has been for years. But because you may personally like them, does not mean they are not a troll.

Unfortunately, you are mistaken. The majority do NOT agree on trolling.

[GostHacked]

Guys,

Enough. Take your personal conversation to the personal messaging service.

Ch. A.

Unfortunately, you are mistaken. The majority do NOT agree on trolling.

Like I said, just because you may like someone , does not mean they are not a troll. I would bet that there is one poster who has been reported many times from trolling by many members. Ah , you know screw it, we've had this discussion before and we have gotten nowhere, while the shitting up of threads continue.

Do you need help with solving these problems?

[cybercoma]

Do you need help with solving these problems?

More like help defining the problem. It's obvious he doesn't see any of it as problematic.

[WWWTT]

You know what? The same could have been said about me too when I first joined.

It is even more sad that some people can not help themselves from feeding people-they-believe-are-trolls while simultaneously complaining about trolls.

LOL!

I actually am amused to see so many posters that I have defined as making troll posts here attracted to Lemon. Much like metal to a magnet!

But this all really makes YOUR definition of trolls even more muddy.

And that's too bad. Because if the trolls stopped, this site would become a ghost town considering 90% of the comments here are troll comments.

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

So this thread is a year old now. Any decisions on implementing any of the suggestions?

Ya that's a good point!

But it looks like that this thread has become the "troll" thread now!

Even CA is making borderline troll comments here.

But hey, he's the "moderator", you would think he knows better?!?!??!?!

WWWTT

[Michael Hardner]

90% of the comments here are troll comments.

That's a gross overstatement. I recently read a post that similarly said 90% of posts were insults. I checked 20 posts back, looking at the entire page the post appeared on and didn't find any.

[bush_cheney2004]

Makes sense to me...create a dedicated thread for members who like to whine about "trolls" all day.

They can express their views and maybe feel a little better.

[guyser]

Unfortunately, you are mistaken. The majority do NOT agree on trolling.

By any chaqnce could you re-do the polling on this, I was, apparently, not around when you did so.

Thanks and I look forward to hearing from you.

Edited March 4, 2015 by Guyser2

[WWWTT]

That's a gross overstatement. I recently read a post that similarly said 90% of posts were insults. I checked 20 posts back, looking at the entire page the post appeared on and didn't find any.

90% could be an exaggeration. But maybe it could be higher.

The point I was making is that the definition is lose enough to encompass a lot of the traffic on this site

I personally don't like words with lose definitions.

WWWTT

[On Guard for Thee]

Makes sense to me...create a dedicated thread for members who like to whine about "trolls" all day.

They can express their views and maybe feel a little better.

Or even better, a thread just for trolls.

[Bonam]

More like help defining the problem. It's obvious he doesn't see any of it as problematic.

What is it that is supposed to be seen as problematic?

Frankly the most trollish things from my point of view on these boards are the several posters who hurl cries of "bigot" and "racist" every time they see something that is not quite up to their ever tightening standards of political correctness. I suspect those are not the posters you are thinking of when you think of who the "trolls" are. CA is right that there is no agreement here on who are the trolls. I suspect that most people interpret a "troll" as anyone whose viewpoint is so far off from their own that comments that they post seem outrageous.

That's not to say there aren't some trolls on this forum, or posters who sometimes post in a trollish manner, but there is certainly no broad agreement on who the trolls are. Many here point to BC2004 as a troll, but he follows the forum rules precisely and posts civilly. Yes, he has a pet topic that he interjects in many threads where it is only tangentially related, but it is the participants choice whether or not to engage in that line of discussion. And yet, they invariably do, so it must be something they want to talk about. Then there's posters like socialist, who deliberately comes up with a mockery of a far-left point of view on his pet topic of teachers and posts it here, and yet people seriously reply to those threads and there is sometimes reasonable discussion in those. Then there's all the CJPME anti-Israel trolls who do nothing but bash Israel, and yet it gives an outlet for everyone who wants to to discuss that ever polarizing topic. You'll note most everyone who disagrees (except for Rue, who keeps up the brave fight) has long since given up on responding to those threads.

I think you folks would all be best served by suggesting and rallying for other kinds of improvements to the discussion forum, rather than just whining about "trolls".

Edited March 5, 2015 by Bonam

[Argus]

What is it that is supposed to be seen as problematic?

Frankly the most trollish things from my point of view on these boards are the several posters who hurl cries of "bigot" and "racist" every time they see something that is not quite up to their ever tightening standards of political correctness. I suspect those are not the posters you are thinking of when you think of who the "trolls" are. CA is right that there is no agreement here on who are the trolls. I suspect that most people interpret a "troll" as anyone whose viewpoint is so far off from their own that comments that they post seem outrageous.

That's not to say there aren't some trolls on this forum, or posters who sometimes post in a trollish manner, but there is certainly no broad agreement on who the trolls are. Many here point to BC2004 as a troll, but he follows the forum rules precisely and posts civilly. Yes, he has a pet topic that he interjects in many threads where it is only tangentially related, but it is the participants choice whether or not to engage in that line of discussion. And yet, they invariably do, so it must be something they want to talk about. Then there's posters like socialist, who deliberately comes up with a mockery of a far-left point of view on his pet topic of teachers and posts it here, and yet people seriously reply to those threads and there is sometimes reasonable discussion in those. Then there's all the CJPME anti-Israel trolls who do nothing but bash Israel, and yet it gives an outlet for everyone who wants to to discuss that ever polarizing topic. You'll note most everyone who disagrees (except for Rue, who keeps up the brave fight) has long since given up on responding to those threads.

I think you folks would all be best served by suggesting and rallying for other kinds of improvements to the discussion forum, rather than just whining about "trolls".

^

What he said!

[cybercoma]

Frankly the most trollish things from my point of view on these boards are the several posters who hurl cries of "bigot" and "racist" every time they see something that is not quite up to their ever tightening standards of political correctness.

That's complete crap. Arguments that are clearly bigoted and racist have been put forward here. Identifying that kind of fallacious reasoning is appropriate when it happens and it has sweet F all to do with disagreeing with the person. It has to do with the fact that their arguments are unreasonable and biased. But if it makes you feel better to think people are just being dismissive because they disagree, you just go on and keep peddling this nonsense that it's about censorship and disagreements. A lot of the discussion around here in the last few months has made this place look more like Junior Stormfront than any sort of bastion of intelligent political debate. If that's the kind of forum you want to post at fine, but don't get all bent out of shape when others call out that garbage. Edited March 5, 2015 by cybercoma

[Smallc]

That's complete crap. Arguments that are clearly bigoted and racist have been put forward here.

In your opinion. Many posters disagreed with you. It isn't so clear after all.

[cybercoma]

In your opinion. Many posters disagreed with you. It isn't so clear after all.

So what? There's posters here that would disagree about the sky being blue too.

You don't even believe racism exists, despite numerous people giving you several references and telling you to open a damn book before dismissing long established sociological theories. It's just like Shady resorting to "let's agree to disagree" when the facts to coincide with his nonsense.

[Smallc]

So what? There's posters here that would disagree about the sky being blue too.

Why even bother having a forum at all, right?

You don't even believe racism exists,

On more than one occasion you've told me not to speak for you. At this point, being that you're completely and probably purposefully wrong, I'd ask you to take your own advice.

despite numerous people giving you several references and telling you to open a damn book before dismissing long established sociological theories.

Theories that are not universally accepted. Theories that perpetuate victimhood. I have no time for those, sorry.

It's just like Shady resorting to "let's agree to disagree" when the facts to coincide with his nonsense.

There are very few facts in sociological theories.

Edited March 5, 2015 by Smallc

[Big Guy]

I believe that the definitions of racism and bigotry are the same for all people. It is not illegal to be a racist or bigot. The conditions are very clear. If you disagree with the definition then that is your choice. Perhaps someone could (hello moderator) could post what definition of racist and bigot is to be used properly on this site.

[Smallc]

I believe that the definitions of racism and bigotry are the same for all people.

From the conversation above, that obviously isn't the case.

[WWWTT]

Yep definitely now officially the "troll thread"

Even my bro Big Guy can't help himself and get in on the action.

You know what, every single poster here is freekin pathetic!

Every poster,moderator,tame casual poster is freekin lame pathetic!

And you know what the real bad thing is? So am I!

WWWTT

[TimG]

You don't even believe racism exists, despite numerous people giving you several references and telling you to open a damn book before dismissing long established sociological theories.

Many people simply do not give credence to nonsensical garbage invented by people trying to justify their career choice. The fact that you give it credence does not mean that everyone else should.

[Bob Macadoo]

Many here point to BC2004 as a troll, but he follows the forum rules precisely and posts civilly. Yes, he has a pet topic that he interjects in many threads where it is only tangentially related, but it is the participants choice whether or not to engage in that line of discussion.

"Pet topic"? Praytell what is that. Combating Cdn's inferiority complex by interjecting American ego? It is the definition of trolling. He waits for the word American to appear then floods the thread with topic distracting one liners that serve only to goad the usual suspects. I agree the answer is to ignore him, which I do......but don't say it isn't trolling. It is text book.

Then there's posters like socialist, who deliberately comes up with a mockery of a far-left point of view on his pet topic of teachers and posts it here, and yet people seriously reply to those threads and there is sometimes reasonable discussion in those.

Only a select repeated few reply.....and socialist doesn't flood every thread with his satirical (I assume) portrayl of a millenial teacher as others do.

Then there's all the CJPME anti-Israel trolls who do nothing but bash Israel,

Why is it trollish to "bash Israel"? If their viewpoint has substance (whether you agree with or not) and isn't a rehash/repeat or attempt to just get a rise out of the easily provoked with repeated comments so what. Trollish is constant 10 page postings repeating the same ad nauseum blurbs, reacting to individual commenters personally, making up scenarios that never occurred to feel jew-slighted as that somehow justifies their political viewpoint. Then deciding to write in 10pt font b/c people are ignoring your petulance......that's trollish.....but banning him would invite some other paid talking head......so I easily scroll over the crap and move on to the next post.

Ban trolls.....don't ban trolls I don't care.....I can scroll through them......but acknowledge they're there......if y'all haven't noticed......other than the multiple IP account people trying to slyly defend themselves........your numbers are dropping.........same 20 people posting.

Edited March 6, 2015 by Bob Macadoo

[bush_cheney2004]

Why is it trollish to "bash Israel"?

Why is it "trollish" to bash Canada ? One should not dish it out if one can't take it in return.

[Bob Macadoo]

Why is it "trollish" to bash Canada ? One should not dish it out if one can't take it in return.

It's not. Criticism of Canada is valid and needed. Impish posts that are simply written to get rises out of readers are trollish.

Repeated quotation that the CBC is "state controlled" is not a debate point it's to excite cyber or eyeball.

[bush_cheney2004]

It's not. Criticism of Canada is valid and needed. Impish posts that are simply written to get rises out of readers are trollish.

Repeated quotation that the CBC is "state controlled" is not a debate point it's to excite cyber or eyeball.

There is no debate when it comes to the CBC, and I will continue to hammer the point home as often as I please. Ditto other topics without regard to other members' excitable sensitivities. There is nothing special about Canada or Canadians in this regard, just as some here think it is open season on 'murica and other nations.